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Post by jamesp on Mar 17, 2022 16:09:05 GMT -5
It's pretty strange feeling to be in the river snorkeling or wade fishing and have a manatee sneak up on you and give you a nudge. One day 4 adults and 2 youngsters visited from my blindside. They are curious and will gently touch you. Not supposed to pet them. Ancient mammal manatee(dugong) rib with boring clam holes and scars. Dugongs cruised the the waters during the Miocene epoch. Bones are mostly marrow but still heavy. This one 1.5" x 1". Can be up to 2.5" x 1.75". Clam holes considerably smaller than the coral clam holes. Not sure if silicified or replaced with apatite. Not sure when the clam attacked. Most common mammal fossil in Florida.
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Post by RWA3006 on Mar 20, 2022 10:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Mar 23, 2022 13:53:59 GMT -5
That is valuable coral RWA3006. Most of those corals grow slow and have become so rare. The newer growth of most of those live corals is not as solid as the old growth and have a way of shrinking and delamination making them poor candidates for jewelry. That is a substantial stock you have. copied this from an article: "The other important group, is made of a tough, keratin-like protein called conchiolin or gorgonin, comprise the black and golden corals. Although not highly mineralized, the protein is very tough, so that properly prepared and polished pieces are near the equal of the stony types in durability and beauty, and sometimes exceed them in value. Colors range from black to dark brown to golden. The golden color is highly prized and can be natural, the result of injury or degeneration of the black coral organisms." It also mentioned that the density is a way to test for authenticity. The density of old growth can be that of quartz.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 31, 2022 5:30:31 GMT -5
This variety of coral was collected over it's range from Tampa, Fl. to Valdosta, Ga. on a 2 month long trip. Some of the colors were enhanced by heat treatment. In some cases forest fires will heat the ground and simulate heat treatment. The colors are affected by ground chemicals; in dry sand it is typically gray. In wet soils and clays it picks up colors. If found in permanent springs or drainages the colors increase. And those found in salt water have another range of colors. The chemicals appear to have leached in from the outer layer. Clays washed down from the granitic Appalachian Mountains affect the coral in south Georgia and very north section of Florida. Most is kaolin clay. Lot's of irons. Florida clays are called gumbos and they may be created from eroded limestone. It can take a long pry bar to remove a say 10 pound coral head from most clays. Easier to pick the loose ones up ! These were chipped out of larger corals for tumbling.
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Post by fernwood on Mar 31, 2022 7:08:17 GMT -5
I am in coral heaven seeing those.
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Post by victor1941 on Mar 31, 2022 8:47:33 GMT -5
Very interesting relation between colors and surrounding minerals. This looks like a long tumble process with some beautiful colors at the end.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Mar 31, 2022 8:54:44 GMT -5
Coral overload!!!!!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2022 8:41:26 GMT -5
fernwood victor1941 hummingbirdstonesThis particular coral is all very similar other that it's chemicals and metal salts it silicified in/at. It is all extremely hard and tough material, mechanical properties totally similar. All came from the same massive reef at the same time period. The main variable is the soils adjacent to it during it's formation and long term existence. There are obvious changes in it over periods of 1000 to about 10,000 years seen by the man made artifacts chipped from it. If the coral artifact came to rest in black organic muck it turns blue or black. If in red clay it may turn yellow lavender or orange. So there are short term color changes too, and is actually difficult to say if the colors came from absorption or if they entered during formation. No one was around to prove these questions.
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Post by fernwood on Apr 1, 2022 8:57:46 GMT -5
Do you have any photos of the blue or black? would love to see them.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2022 9:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2022 9:17:29 GMT -5
Do you have any photos of the blue or black? would love to see them. This snake trap of a creek was loaded with black coral Beth. Swift Creek. Properly named, it required tethering to snorkel. It was basically a one lane reptilian highway including gators. Stepping on a snake is one thing, having them wrap around you anywhere from head to toe is quite another. I hope I don't get an inkling to go back. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157653449343179
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Post by RWA3006 on Apr 1, 2022 9:18:00 GMT -5
Holy cow! What a variety! So awesome. James maybe I've missed it, but have you ever put UV light on these beauties to see if they are fluorescent? We are seeing some interesting fluorescent coprolites and wood on a couple other threads and I thought maybe coral would too.
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Post by RWA3006 on Apr 1, 2022 9:21:37 GMT -5
Do you have any photos of the blue or black? would love to see them. This snake trap of a creek was loaded with black coral Beth. Swift Creek. Properly named, it required tethering to snorkel. It was basically a one lane reptilian highway including gators. Stepping on a snake is one thing, having them wrap around you anywhere from head to toe is quite another. I hope I don't get an inkling to go back. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157653449343179Nice photos.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2022 12:29:25 GMT -5
This snake trap of a creek was loaded with black coral Beth. Swift Creek. Properly named, it required tethering to snorkel. It was basically a one lane reptilian highway including gators. Stepping on a snake is one thing, having them wrap around you anywhere from head to toe is quite another. I hope I don't get an inkling to go back. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157653449343179Nice photos. Thanks Randy. Let the tumbler do all the finish work. You must use a Vibra-lap on you coprolites.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2022 12:38:40 GMT -5
Holy cow! What a variety! So awesome. James maybe I've missed it, but have you ever put UV light on these beauties to see if they are fluorescent? We are seeing some interesting fluorescent coprolites and wood on a couple other threads and I thought maybe coral would too. Variety in color and texture makes rocks really interesting. The coprolites also have a lot of variability for the most unusual reasons lol. You must anticipate every one sawn. I have a shortwave on order from the mother country. Looking forward to using it on the coral and other rocks. There is a root of some plant laying on the ground after plowing that glows without UV (!) after the sun goes down here. It may be a host bacteria attacking it that is actually glowing, not sure. No surprise there are chemicals and minerals in coprolite that would react to UV. That begs the question does that glow property of something ingested survive digestion and silicification. That might be difficult to prove.
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