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Post by stardiamond on Mar 20, 2022 14:37:47 GMT -5
Polychrome and Tahoma. All ready to dop. I don't stabilize and had only one fracture. I recut third from left as a free form.  |
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Post by Jahic on Mar 21, 2022 11:41:18 GMT -5
Are they still considered variscite without the mineral present? Yes they’re from clay canyon variscite nodules but it looks like that’s mostly Crandallite.
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Post by stardiamond on Mar 21, 2022 12:10:50 GMT -5
Are they still considered variscite without the mineral present? Yes they’re from clay canyon variscite nodules but it looks like that’s mostly Crandallite. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I was able to buy some half nodules of clay canyon variscite that is mainly crandalite and were described as crandalite and from the seller's collection. I don't know the specific mine they came from. I like the look of the material, it was inexpensive and there are few Clay Canyon cabs available to buy. There are expensive collector slabs that have nicer patterns and more minerals like wardite. I like making cabs and am glad to be working on some Clay Canyon even though it is not the best example of the material. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 22, 2022 7:40:57 GMT -5
Are they still considered variscite without the mineral present? Yes they’re from clay canyon variscite nodules but it looks like that’s mostly Crandallite. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I was able to buy some half nodules of clay canyon variscite that is mainly crandalite and were described as crandalite and from the seller's collection. I don't know the specific mine they came from. I like the look of the material, it was inexpensive and there are few Clay Canyon cabs available to buy. There are expensive collector slabs that have nicer patterns and more minerals like wardite. I like making cabs and am glad to be working on some Clay Canyon even though it is not the best example of the material. I think he wasn't making a statement, but asking a question and it's a good one. Your title calls it variscite, but it doesn't appear to be have any variscite in it. So, is it still called variscite? |
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Post by stardiamond on Mar 22, 2022 9:22:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I was able to buy some half nodules of clay canyon variscite that is mainly crandalite and were described as crandalite and from the seller's collection. I don't know the specific mine they came from. I like the look of the material, it was inexpensive and there are few Clay Canyon cabs available to buy. There are expensive collector slabs that have nicer patterns and more minerals like wardite. I like making cabs and am glad to be working on some Clay Canyon even though it is not the best example of the material. I think he wasn't making a statement, but asking a question and it's a good one. Your title calls it variscite, but it doesn't appear to be have any variscite in it. So, is it still called variscite? I must be missing something. The material is named Clay Canyon variscite. It is commonly called variscite. I definitely got Clay Canyon Variscite which contains crandallite and other minerals. I am not a minerologist, I make cabs and cannot answer his question. |
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Mar 22, 2022 9:33:09 GMT -5
Good question, rockjunquie. When I viewed this thread right after it was posted, I thought the wrong photo might have been attached. |
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Post by Tommy on Mar 22, 2022 12:01:02 GMT -5
I must be missing something. The material is named Clay Canyon variscite. It is commonly called variscite. I definitely got Clay Canyon Variscite which contains crandallite and other minerals. I am not a minerologist, I make cabs and cannot answer his question. I think it's kind of a semantics question - if I have hunk of common name 'Amethyst Sage' and I cut some slabs from it and make a cab from an area of the slab that has no actual amethyst showing can I still call the cab Amethyst Sage? I say yes and I've probably done it but if I was selling it I would put in the notes that the cab is from a 'sage' portion of the slab and is light on actual amethyst. Something along those lines anyway but again, only if I was trying to sell it because buyers can get really pissy even if it's obvious from the photos. |
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Post by stardiamond on Mar 22, 2022 12:27:06 GMT -5
Semantics and ID aside:  |
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Post by Jahic on Mar 22, 2022 12:30:16 GMT -5
Didn’t mean to cause such a fuss. It was an honest and curious question. Thank you all who chimed in.
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Post by Peruano on Mar 22, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -5
I have some Kimberlite diamond matrix which I scooped up out of the free pile at the Kimberly Mine in South Africa. Oh, and I should add that it has not diamond material in it, because the mine xrays all ore to spot diamond before the kimberlite is discarded in the tailing pile. I guess I'll just call it Kimberlite. I bought a couple of cool tumbled rocks in the rock shop at the mine as well. They are pretty jaspers and small piece of blue hawkseye (they don't have diamonds either), darn.
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Post by stardiamond on Mar 22, 2022 15:17:45 GMT -5
This is the creating cabochons forum. Not one comment about the cabs. The remarks even if not intended I consider piling on.
I'm taking a break from this place.
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 22, 2022 15:33:53 GMT -5
This is the creating cabochons forum. Not one comment about the cabs. The remarks even if not intended I consider piling on. I'm taking a break from this place. That's over reacting a little. Nobody was personally attacking you or your cabs. |
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Post by Tommy on Mar 22, 2022 19:43:53 GMT -5
This is the creating cabochons forum. Not one comment about the cabs. The remarks even if not intended I consider piling on. I'm taking a break from this place. Sorry bud, if you saw my post as piling on - I was attempting to resolve what I perceived as a misunderstanding. I absolutely do not think that anyone meant to disparage your work or your material and in general everyone is pretty polite to each other here. Every now and then misunderstandings occur and I do hope you will sleep on it and shake it off and keep showing off your beautiful works of art. BTW, your cabs are beautiful and I especially love the variscite second from the left on the top row. |
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Mar 22, 2022 22:14:17 GMT -5
Tommy - Your comparison to Amethyst Sage was commendable, but Variscite is a specific mineral. Mindat says it's AlPO 4-2H 2O. Amethyst Sage is a "rock" made up of some combination of individual minerals.
This whole thing got blown way out of proportion, but so it goes... . There didn't seem to be any malicious intent on anyone's part. Just honest confusion based on some well established mineralogical data.
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Post by liveoak on Mar 23, 2022 6:50:18 GMT -5
stardiamond, I don't usually post the "nice cab" remarks , mostly because I'm still learning myself & everything looks nice. 
But I like that you tend to post your preforms first, which to me is good, as it gives a better visual of what you started with.
Maybe other people know that the polished cab of "what ever it is" looked like in the rough, but I generally don't.
Also, although you obviously felt your post got distracted (and it did) IDing rocks is another thing I'm trying to learn, so discussions like this & Tommy example were helpful.
Nice cabs btw
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