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Post by ziggy on Dec 14, 2016 8:47:36 GMT -5
Oh hell, what did I unleash??? I'm going to reconsider ever posting to this forum again. I seem to have created the thread of hideous nostalgia relating to jorts instead of a lexan saw cover build review.....it's all good though I'll just remember to only read other peoples posts from now on
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Post by ziggy on Dec 13, 2016 21:56:15 GMT -5
rockpickerforever You know what they say PICTURES or it didnt happen. So lets see some pics. ha ha. Levis, 501s, model airplanes
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Model airplanes at Mission Bay, San Diego. The silver one is mine.
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Dad's Corvair in background
![https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/698/31590747736_76739d7978_z.jpg](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/698/31590747736_76739d7978_z.jpg) Sorry ziggy for totally going off topic on your thread. But I was challenged to provide pics or it didn't happen. So there you are!
Wow. Those are the old fashioned glow plug fuel motors. Nowadays everything is electric. My hubby built 3 quadcopters before he retired and couldn't afford that stuff anymore.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 13, 2016 15:49:05 GMT -5
I guess I'll just bust out the raincoat and rubber gloves and use my tile saw. I was looking online at some dedicated trim saws and was shocked at their prices. The prices on everything are shocking in this hobby. That's why we personally build everything home made from saw covers to cabbing machines to buffing wheels. We build whatever we don't absolutely have to buy. The cabbing machine is a prime example. We built the arbor, water system and trays for one for under a hundred dollars then spent $300.00 on some wheels. It would have cost us $1600.00 for one we bought like it. Got a really nice brand new cabbing machine at 1/4 the cost. Along those same lines of thinking we re furbished our second hand, hand me down 8" trim saw and even improved on it by adding a rock clamp so it doubles as a small slab saw and a lexan cover to cut down on the soakings. It works like a charm even at its ripe old age. I would look for a used one on ebay or Craigs list..
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Post by ziggy on Dec 12, 2016 17:08:54 GMT -5
I hate to ask this but, how much does the router sell for? It looks like maybe my hubby's next home made project. It doesn't look too complicated to build. Really nice tutorial. Thanks.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 11, 2016 14:13:27 GMT -5
The waterjets my hubby used to include in CNC glass cutting machines ran at 60,000 Lbs. and they all used garnet media. They all needed at least three feet of tank water under the piece being cut.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 10, 2016 14:35:24 GMT -5
Wondering if a treatment with RainX would help. Never tried it on Lexan before, may want to see if Google says whether that would work or not. Now there's something I might follow your advice on That's really a sweet idea.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 10, 2016 14:07:21 GMT -5
Ok, the verdict is in on how it works. First, it obviously reduces the overspray to almost nothing. Second, the view for cutting pre cab forms is less than good. Turns out the only place where you can actually see the blade is where it throws the most water on the end piece. Since my blade splash guard was was lower in this test than in previous pictures posted of it, the area of visibility was pretty small. What I am actually going to do is move the splash guard even further away from the blade so a larger area can be flushed with water. It's hard to see in the video, but I can actually see well enough in this flushed area to follow lines on the cabs.
My review is, I can see what I want to cut if I look in a spot that would have previously blinded me and soaked my face with rock water. Strange how things turn out sometimes.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 10, 2016 9:27:10 GMT -5
I used to wear a fifty gallon plastic trash bag with arm holes and a head hole. Now I won't feel so trashy when cutting. Be nice to see an update to see how it worked and if it remained clear enough to see, might have to mount windshield wiper to the inside. Will do that update but I can't say when. Right now it's snowing and about 26 degrees outside. Unfortunately I don't have an indoors setup yet. Now you got hubby thinking about how he can make a built in squeegee to clean the viewing area if needed. Shouldn't be too hard to do.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 10, 2016 0:16:37 GMT -5
To keep dry while sawing rocks, I wear one of those bibs with a velcro closure that barbers use. I like your solution much better. I used to wear a fifty gallon plastic trash bag with arm holes and a head hole. Now I won't feel so trashy when cutting.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 23:44:50 GMT -5
That is a groovy cover, can double as cab for a snow blower. It's 11" high. So, yeah, it's almost big enough for that. After gluing it up he had this thought about why didn't he angle the top down towards the front so the water would run off better but it was already too well glued up to change it. Besides he didn't really feel like cutting any more lexan with the cutoff wheel. His original reasoning behind the tall height was that the higher up the viewing area in the lexan was, the less muddy water would get on it and block the view. The splash guard over the blade keeps the spray from shooting straight on the top at least. With any good luck the misty stuff will condense (for lack of a better term) out onto the side walls leaving the top wall clear of mess. I don't claim to have too much good luck though. The front end wall will get totally soaked though (which is better than me getting soaked.)
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 23:40:27 GMT -5
Neat! Did you also make the tongue-shaped splash guard over the blade? Thanks for all the explanations. Now, to jorts. Yep. He made the splash guard as well. It just doesn't work well enough on it's own. He was going to make one with sides on it but never did. I guess the sides on the splash guard are now unnecessary after all.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 23:35:48 GMT -5
As far as diamond's over rated and absolutely common, you cut a diamond it's just a diamond cut a rock a each and every piece is completely unique to me no comparison! Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 16:38:20 GMT -5
DO NOT Google jorts and go to "images" What has been seen can not be unseen. You have been warned! I see ![(whoa)](//storage.proboards.com/1258779/images/0pZEgprvENPYSBkFgsso.gif) what you mean Not a pretty picture.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 15:59:05 GMT -5
Here's the other use I found for old denim. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/KIMG0126_zpslpwh31ec.jpg~original) I found that this one piece setup really knocks down overspray problems. It's easy to work up under it even. (The denim has been cut by me probably an inch shorter since this photo was published and it works great.) I think the water that is getting slung upon the back side of the denim soaks it down so much that there is water dripping off the entire edge of the denim thus keeping the wheel evenly coated without the material needing to be in hard contact with it. I run with just a trickle usually, barely needing to open the flow valve on top the cover.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 14:08:12 GMT -5
You must have one helluva jorts collection. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? I have no clue what that means. OK, looked up jorts. An old pair of hubby's jeans with huge holes in the knees was all it took. Jorts.....sheesh
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Post by ziggy on Dec 9, 2016 13:59:12 GMT -5
Nice job on that. You might want to replace the denim with heavy sheet plastic as I think the denim will get soaked with oil and then it will be a mess. We only use water in it. We aren't a big professional operation here with no budget other than extra bucks left over after living expenses. We could never use oil just due to it costs money and so much is involved in cleaning it off the rocks. Most of the rocks we cut are soft Michigan rocks like Petoskey and Septarians with only the occasional harder rock being cut. It's only an 8" trim saw with a spring driven feed rock clamp so oil is out of the question. We mostly just use it to pre form cabs like any other trim saw. The flexibility of the denim is what we're after. It rinses right off and never seems to get stiff. I think heavy sheet plastic might get irritating to my wrists when my hands are in the saw (after all, my hands do go in there.) I'm sorry, but already having used it on other projects like our cabber, the denim seems to be the ideal material for uses like this. We also use denim on our cabbing machine to spread the water evenly over the wheels. It works great. Lots of people use nylon web strap stuff. We like denim. One big piece covers all three wheels. I agree though that if we used oil the cloth would be an issue.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 8, 2016 22:53:04 GMT -5
ziggy , Are all the wheels soft (belt over sponge rubber)? Or did you re diamond a hard wheel? If it's a hard wheel, I'd love to hear how it went. I re diamond my soft wheels only, actually they're belts on expando drums. Lynn No, they're soft. You posted in my thread I made about re gritting that one with 35 grit. Remember? I did a double coat of epoxy and a heavy coat of grit.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 8, 2016 22:41:19 GMT -5
Who has the best prices on 6" Diamond grinding wheels ? Finally got my hands on an arbor and am slowly building a cabbing unit. Also will need spin on polishing wheels for both ends one left hand 1/4x20 threaded and one right hand 1/4x20 threaded. Thanks for the help and thanks to manofglass for the arbor and geode lol.My hubby just built a 6" cabbing machine. That's my daughter using it below. The wheels are not on the right side yet even. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/KIMG0120_zpspzudsukq.jpg~original) He did everything as inexpensively as possible. He bought wheels from Hans Lapidary on ebay. The grits above 280 were $45.00 each and the lower grits (280, 60) each cost I think $47.00 (free shipping on the slow boat from China.) He was quite happy with the 280, 600 and the 1200 grit wheels which perform nicely, but the 60 grit was a joke. He ended up re gritting that one right away. He still needs 140 and 3000 grit wheels to complete the cabber. Hans sold out on their 140 grit wheels so he ordered one from Top grit (ebay seller) in Lithuania. Same price as Hans but $10.00 shipping added. Should be here soon. Looks like he will be buying the 3000 grit from the eastern Europeans as well. He re gritted the 60 grit down to 35 grit. Then we will have a 35 grit, 140 grit and a 280 grit on the left side, and a 600 grit, 1200 grit, and 3000 grit on the polishing side. This would be considered an aggressive grit set. Total cost of wheels (including the 100 carats of diamond and epoxy used in the re grit) $281.00 ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) We plan on re gritting when needed. Way cheaper than some other routes one could take to the destination. Hopefully the Lithuanian ones will work as hoped. We are on a fixed income and we budget for one wheel a month until we have them all All we have left to actually buy is the 3000 grit. Hubby left enough shaft to mount double wheels or an extra grit or two down the road. Can't help with the polishing wheels as we use a dedicated polishing unit.
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Post by ziggy on Dec 8, 2016 21:05:13 GMT -5
I got sick of getting soaked with mudwater every time I used the 8" trim saw to cut rocks. I got hubby to make a lexan cover to contain the overspray. He started out with a sheet of 1/4" thick lexan (recycled from an old picture frame) cut it into the five sides of the cover. Lacking a table or bandsaw, he ended up using his 4 1/2" angle grinder and a thin cutting blade. After he got done and came in the house it looked like his entire head and upper body was covered in spider webs. The lexan throws out thin silky strands when cut with a wheel, that covered him with the stuff. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07821_zpsfrgorkk8.jpg~original) Then he hot glued some denim over the hand access hole in the side piece. Cut a slit in it. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07871_zpseyimfrk8.jpg~original) The right side also has clearance cut into it for the bearing mounted rock clamp and matching denim to cover the entire side where it opens for the clamp and the hand access hole. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07891_zpssif0aorx.jpg~original) Here you can see the rock clamp and how it fits under the right side. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07991_zpslhkqp5gf.jpg~original) Next two pictures: He used some long wood clamps to hold things together while the glue sets up. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07921_zpsr3w7d00d.jpg~original) ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07961_zpst6rpvyai.jpg~original) He had to get the right glue for lexan. That glue happened to be Weld-On #16. This glue actually melts the pieces together. The surfaces being glued should be flat and true. This glue can fill in gaps also but it's best to get it right before gluing up and not needing to fill any gaps instead. To minimize gaps when gluing, all edges that were going to be glued were sanded true on the belt sander. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07931_zpszov1ktqk.jpg) The cover on the saw. ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07981_zpspvlmtgsm.jpg~original) ![](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/tankar11/DSCN07971_zpsb2elxiey.jpg) The linear bearing mounted driven by a spring sliding rock clamp and mounting bracket was also added to this trim saw previously by hubby making this a sort of hybrid small slab/trim saw combo. Coming ASAP. Video of the cover in action (as soon as it gets warm enough to actually do it.)
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Post by ziggy on Dec 8, 2016 17:29:50 GMT -5
Amen, and very well said. Hi Ziggy; So. In which of those products do you indulge? Had lobster once and didn't like it. Never eat yogurt. Tastes gross. I think all the beef I buy is fresh from the local Miejer's supermarket. As previously stated I hate the Chocolate Diamond concept. I got one diamond ring back in the 1970's when we got married so I'm guilty of the diamond thing I guess. We were both young and stupid with expendable income for crying out loud. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The only glasses I wear are dollar store reading glasses. Never cared about the latest fashion and hubby likes that. So, going by the nearest definition of indulge, I have indulged in one diamond ring (that was given to me) out of everything on your list.
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