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Post by chassroc on Apr 12, 2007 12:16:31 GMT -5
I just want to preface this with a strong statement that I am not an Imus fan; I listen to a few minutes here and there in the morning on my drive in; just as I listen to a few minutes here and there of the Right Wing Whackos during my commute.
I just love the bonding between the left wing whackos and the right wing whackos about Don Imus's remarks.
Rev Al Sharpton is (quite predictably) staunchly in favor of punishing Imus to the max.
What is really surprising me is how strongly the Right Wing Conservative TalkRadio / FoxNews personalities are opposed to Imus. I understand he is a rival to Fox (on MSNBC) , and to other talk radio people, but the effort to discredit him is amazing. They are using the strongest of insults(in their world), calling him amongst lots of other things a Liberal and a mainstream media New York Times reader/supporter.
The Liberal part is the funniest of all. Imus a Liberal, Come on! Anyone who has listened to Imus must be truly pissed off by these allegations. Imus loves no one but himself, picks on everyone, has no concern for Right or left, Dem or Republican, Nancy Pelosi or George Bush. His guests include anyone who will appear on his show and share a story of interest.
I find calling Imus a Liberal is a lot like calling Bill or Hillary a Liberal. They are as middle of the road as anyone who was ever born. They don't care if an idea is Liberal or Conservative, Right or Left, Rep or Dem, only that it is a good idea; they have no ideology that stands in the way of a good idea.
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Post by wm7734 on Apr 12, 2007 12:44:20 GMT -5
ok but now days you just dont make remarks like he did either as a joke or in earnest
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Post by sandsman1 on Apr 12, 2007 13:58:30 GMT -5
I think he said a really dumb thing tryin to be like Howard stern and it bit him in the ass -- but i don't think he should lose his livelihood over a dumb remark -- if that was the norm mosta the people in politics would be out on there ass too --including sharpton and jackson who seem to be the most outraged -- those guys are a joke both of them, my dad said he went to school with them and they where just street hoods praying on the week white kids for there lunch money --so i don't think they have any biz leading anything --haha
PS i dont even like imus i wouldent listen to him if you paid me haha
and dont forget you can become a rev. for 5 dollars in the back of some magazines haha ----so dont let the title fool you id realy like to see how long they both went to school to earn that title -- if i was imus id turn the tide on them with that one question haha
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Post by krazydiamond on Apr 12, 2007 14:26:11 GMT -5
what i don't understand is that Imus, a known "shock jock" gets everyone's knickers in a twist by making a really stupid and racist remark about a college girls basketball team, so much so that the pundits are calling for his job but Ann Coulter can call John Edwards, a candidate for the Presidency of the United States a "FAGGOT", and everyone just rolls their eyes, giggles and goes on with life as usual......
nobaody said it was fair.
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Post by donsimpson on Apr 12, 2007 15:48:20 GMT -5
One difference between Don Imus and Ann Coulter's situations is the medium. Ann doesn't have a show broadcasting to millions and underwritten by GE, P&G and GM. Her remarks were to a small group of people, and not intended to reach an audience even in the same magnitude as the Imus show. Also, her attack was against someone who has platform from which to respond. Imus's victims don't have that platform. Plus they are not politicians. John Edwards knows he has to get down into the muck, and he expects it to be dirty. These young women just went though what will probably be the most amazing experience of their lives, only to have it horribly (and permanently) tainted through absolutely no fault of their own.
I like irreverence as much as anybody, and I'm loath to expect anyone to be politically correct, but this was purely and simply mean. It didn't promote discourse, it was not thought provoking, and it was not funny in any but the basest of ways. It was just mean for the sake of being mean. To quote Kurt Vonnegut, "There’s only one rule that I know of, babies — ‘God damn it, you’ve got to be kind."
Just in case anyone thinks that I don't have a problem with Ann Coulter, for the record, I think she represents all that is wrong with America, and all that is bad in the human race.
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Post by spikeict on Apr 12, 2007 19:11:25 GMT -5
I have been very tempted to call into some of the radio talk shows I listen to about this subject, the past several days. Even saw this thread and bypassed it this afternoon, but well, guess I am in the right mood.
Several years ago I listened to Imus in the morning regulary, for a varity of reasons (nothing to do with him) I haven't much since. So what I am going to say are opions that were formed from five years of listening, but from three years ago.
I doubt that he changed much, but back then he poked fun at everyone except the inflicted. as for his politics I considered him a libratain, he surprised me a time or two when I thought he was a died in the wool conservative.
I guess the thing I wanted to say is about the way he endorsed things. This has not been brought up in anything I have heard so wanted to get it off my chest. There were times he would say something like: We went to Joe's steak house last night for supper, and man that place was horrid, the food was terrible, and the service was even worse. As soon as he said something like that the owner of Joe's would not send his employees home for the day but would bring in as many extra tables as he could, because he knew he would be packed for the next week. Imus did that with many different types of places and all the time.
When I first heard about the incident, that was the first thing I thought of and that someone misunderstood. Well I suppose that kind of backhanded compliment is hard to explain, so he just took his lumps thinking it would all work out. To be completly honest, if the season was still going i would have watched just to see what was going on (even though I do not watch Basketball) had i still been listening.
Did he say the wrong thing? yes, Could ANY one of us do a quick thinking radio show for thirty years without screwing up? I doubt it.
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 12, 2007 21:13:13 GMT -5
Ahem.............. right.
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Post by earthdog on Apr 12, 2007 22:56:21 GMT -5
The whole thing pisses me off! First off, I wouldn't call Imus a "shock jock" He was more into current affairs and political stuff. Now he is out of a job. CBS pulled the plug on him, completely! I understand he has a national show, so does my brother, same people own my brother that owned Imus, CBS. If Imus has stuck his foot in his mouth before then why didn't he have a delay, like a 3 second delay? My brothers show is always on delay and the friggin gobernaut has a FCC guy sitting in the studio with his finger on the bleep button, all the time. I have watched "Deff comedy jam" on HBO many times and couldn't begin to count how many racist jokes and stories have been told about white people. None of those people are in any kind of trouble. Watch the DVD, "The Big Black Comedy Show" and see how many time whites are cut down and racist jokes are told about whites. If I call a black, a nigger, man, I'm in trouble, if I don't get shot first. I would have charges up on me for racial slurs, or some kind of hate crime and be labled a racist. A black man can call me all kind of racist names and I would bet my Harley, they would never have charges of racial slurs on them, or be labled a racist. Why is it blacks can call all of their race, "nigger" but if a white does it, it's a hate crime? Sharpton, is just a fat assed pig of a racist anyway but he has his own show now. Has Sharpton or Jessie Jackass ever gone to fight for a white person? If so, show me! I'm sick and tired of the double standard BS that goes on every day, everywhere in this crazy, f'ed up country. If blacks don't want to be called "nappy headed" or "Niggers" they need to stop singing it in their rap music and stop calling themselves that crap, but, Let's get real. Corporate America will sell the N word and "Ho" all day long on a record label if they can make a buck, but they'll act all shocked when someone brings attention to it? Has the American public really gotten this gullible? I'm sick of it, I tell ya!
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 12, 2007 23:10:58 GMT -5
Don Imus got paid more every week than most of us who actually work for a living make in a year, he lost his job, but he didn't lose any livelyhood, hell he could have retired quite comfortably years ago.
I really have very little sympathy for him or any of the other radically overpaid blowhards in his profession, (with all due respect to your brother, e-dog).
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Post by parfive on Apr 13, 2007 0:31:09 GMT -5
Now that Rev. Al's bagged Imus, maybe Dick Cheney'll invite him on the next pheasant hunt.
resume/biography: tour manager for James Brown Tawana Brawley presidential candidate likely related to Strom Thurmond
;D Ya can't make this **** up! (exception: Tawana)
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Post by jmsj on Apr 13, 2007 1:00:59 GMT -5
Earthdog, man you hit the nail on the head with a 20lb sledge and drove it home in one stroke!!!!
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Post by Toad on Apr 13, 2007 5:30:08 GMT -5
E-dog - you're fighting a losing battle. You're right, but you'll still lose. Just the way of the world.
As for conservative radio/tv shows labeling Imus a liberal - he must be. I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media labeling him one way or the other. But when a known conservative/Republican does anything wrong they absolutely put that tag on the person. So the fact that they didn't put the conservative/Republican tag on Imus says to me that he is a liberal/democrat.
I know. I know huge leap there, Toad. But hey we're all entitled to our uninformed opinion. Especially since I never heard Imus' show...
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Post by earthdog on Apr 13, 2007 8:27:54 GMT -5
I thought livelyhood was having a job. What Imus made in money has nothing to do with the fact that they fired him. He still lost his LIVELYHOOD! Sure he can go get another job, there will be a station that'll pick him up, not for the same money he was getting, but he'll still work if he chooses to. He can always go to satellite radio. I don't agree with firing him, they could have gone through with the 2 week suspension, or the FCC could have fined him 25k like they fine other radio people. I know it's the way of the world, but I just love the double standards us as people have. Some group needs to research Sharpton and bring to light the racist remarks he probably has said in the past. Lets see if the owners of his show, "Sharp talk with Al Sharpton" Take any action. I also wonder if someone like Bill O’Reilly had an episode, called "White Power" if people would stand for it. Al Sharpton had an episode titled, "Black Power" Did you know that? I also want a cable channel named W.E.T. White Entertainment Television. Do you think that would go over? I don't. Again, double standards. If everyone wants to get rid of racism they need to get rid of it across the board. Everyone associates racism with white people putting down blacks. Why is that?
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 13, 2007 10:25:53 GMT -5
we both get a -1 for spelling, but;
Main Entry: live·li·hood Pronunciation: 'lIv-lE-"hud Function: noun Etymology: alteration of Middle English livelode course of life, from Old English lIflAd, from lIf + lAd course -- more at LODE 1 : means of support or subsistence
For most of us you'd be right, our jobs are our support and subsistance.
But for anyone making seven or eight figures, I would contend that salary had nothing to do with support or subsistance, it was about making an already very wealthy person even more wealthy.
And in Mr Imus' defence, he does a LOT of charitable work with his ranch for underpriveleged kids and stuff, so he's certainly not just a bad person.
I'd much rather have seen mAnn Coulter, Michael Savage, Rush "Pills" Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly fired, but so far none of them seem to have PO'd the wrong people.
So yeah double standards seem to be everywhere you turn.
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Post by Toad on Apr 13, 2007 11:41:23 GMT -5
I'd much rather have seen mAnn Coulter, Michael Savage, Rush "Pills" Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly fired, but so far none of them seem to have PO'd the wrong people. So yeah double standards seem to be everywhere you turn. Funny how all these people are conservatives. At least I think O'Reilly is. And I think Savaga already has been fired - hasn't he?
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Post by parfive on Apr 13, 2007 11:49:44 GMT -5
Edog: "Everyone associates racism with white people putting down blacks. Why is that?"
Well, if we didn't invent it, we perfected it.
Kinda funny how Rev. Al has Strom Thurmond in his past and Imus nowadays. They both look(ed) like living corpses.
Edog again: "Some group needs to research Sharpton and bring to light the racist remarks he probably has said in the past."
Wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference. The Tawana Brawley slimefest proved that.
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 13, 2007 11:56:28 GMT -5
Funny how all these people are conservatives. At least I think O'Reilly is. And I think Savaga already has been fired - hasn't he? Bill "No -Spin" O'Reilly denies being liberal or conservative, and I tend to agree, he's niether, he is a straight up facist. Hannity calls himself conservative, but he's reactionary, there is a difference and its a matter of degree, but all of those people I listed are extremists whose views are really well outside of the mainstream. I was trying to think of any non-conservative talking heads and having a hard time, especially when the criteria is offensive trash talk- you can add Howard Stern to my list if you think that'd make it more fair and balanced, he's every bit as offensive as any of the rightwingnuts in my book. Savage lost his TV spot but he's still spewing hatred on the radio here
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Post by Toad on Apr 13, 2007 18:32:57 GMT -5
Funny how all these people are conservatives. At least I think O'Reilly is. And I think Savaga already has been fired - hasn't he? Bill "No -Spin" O'Reilly denies being liberal or conservative, and I tend to agree, he's niether, he is a straight up facist. Hannity calls himself conservative, but he's reactionary, there is a difference and its a matter of degree, but all of those people I listed are extremists whose views are really well outside of the mainstream. I was trying to think of any non-conservative talking heads and having a hard time, especially when the criteria is offensive trash talk- you can add Howard Stern to my list if you think that'd make it more fair and balanced, he's every bit as offensive as any of the rightwingnuts in my book. Savage lost his TV spot but he's still spewing hatred on the radio here Thanks for the updates. As for Liberal talking heads - the only one I can think of is Al Franken - unless you count the mainstream media...
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Post by jerryde on Apr 13, 2007 22:00:59 GMT -5
One thing that shows up very plainly in this thread...is the silly name calling...depending on which side of the aisle your on...even some of us in the middle tend to stumble while looking for our seat...
All these people (Media-Politician) will continue on in some way or fashion because once you feel the power of being right and I know what's best for you...they will continue on...and us dumb a-- continue to moan and groan...because in a few days or weeks..ALL OF US...are on a new kick about something...the pot continues to be stirred...
What will happen that will stay because of all of this... is the fact that...10-20 years from now sports writers will continue bring up the fact that these girls known as the "nappy-headed-ho's" displaying their tattoos almost won the 2007 National Womens Basketball Finals...
I know some of you will take this wrong...but here goes...these girls can do one of two things...live with a positive spin...saying yea us "Ho's" almost won it all or wallow in the negative feel sorry for me forever...I hope they take the high road and say I beat you all who tried to put us down... JMHO
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Post by sandsman1 on Apr 13, 2007 23:23:05 GMT -5
jerry theres no takin it wrong everyone thinks and believs in dif stuff if we all thought the same it would be a pretty boring world hahaha
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