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Post by Michael John on Jan 31, 2008 2:31:47 GMT -5
Don't you just love a good mystery?
As I said in my introductory post, "the results will be shown after the poll has ended, so that "popular" vote will not influence YOUR vote."
I feel that a poll that's taken with the cumulative vote being shown throughout the polling period is senseless. I can see the poll tally, but I'm not voting, and I'm not telling. ;D
Since this thread is already on page 2 in less than 24 hours, obviously people feel strongly enough to not only vote, but also to take time out of their life to comment. I hope this pattern continues for the next 2 weeks.
Thank you all very much for voting, for your participation, and for your support for our warm little cyber home away from home.
*BIG HUG*
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Post by connrock on Jan 31, 2008 8:12:19 GMT -5
I think it's a very good idea especially for the newbies.
We,as a group have evolved through the years and I for one am very happy to see it.
As someone has already said ,,,tumbling is a gateway to lapidary and it's only natural for some of us to want to go beyond it.Who would have thought that we would have silversmiths/goldsmiths/jewelers/cabbers,etc a few years back?
A lot of us didn't even know what a slab or trim saw was let alone know what the heck to do with one?
Most of us know that our "first love" was tumbling and we'll never forget how difficult she was to date.After a fashion she came around,stopped being so ornery and showed us just how beautiful she can be!
Then we met her older sister and off we went!!
Well there's still a lot of newbies lookin for their first love and if they have to search through all the old wrinkled up veterans here it'll either take them forever or they'll just quit lookin.
I've met the older sister and found that she has a perty cute cousin who has even a more attractive friend !! Right now I have a real love triangle goin for me and I love um all,right from that dirty old gal I helped out of a ditch many years ago to that new attractive one I just met who's all dressed up in sterling silver!
I want the newbies to have the same love affair that I have had so why not make it easier for them to get introduced to their first love???
connrock
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Wolfden
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since November 2007
Posts: 1,368
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Post by Wolfden on Jan 31, 2008 12:22:37 GMT -5
Its about time time this question got polled .. I had asked this awhile back and didnt get a decent answer so I am very glad this got made public. guess which way I voted lol I'd like to see the results thu I dont agree with hiding the results
Wolf
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Post by Michael John on Jan 31, 2008 16:08:35 GMT -5
Its about time time this question got polled .. I had asked this awhile back and didnt get a decent answer so I am very glad this got made public. guess which way I voted lol I'd like to see the results thu I dont agree with hiding the results Wolf You do get to see the results ... at the end ... and the results to date are showing that I did right by hiding it. I'm noticing that people who want the Tumbling section are speaking-up by posting here, but nobody is posting their reasons for opposition or for simply opposing change. Please don't be afraid to post your thoughts on the subject.
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woodsman
off to a rocking start
Member since January 2008
Posts: 4
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Post by woodsman on Jan 31, 2008 17:43:14 GMT -5
As a total newbie it is rather daunting to come face to face with so many new terms, whereas, if there was a dedicated section to tumbling, one could quickly feel comfortable, find answers whilst at the same time expand ones knowledge and experience comfortably and at ones own pace.
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Post by Michael John on Jan 31, 2008 18:38:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, woodsman! I'm glad you found your way here!
If you're new to "rocks", in general, I'm sure you'll find this to be a great place to help you get started. Since this forum has been around for years, there is a wealth of information about many aspects of rockhounding, mining, identifying, tumbling, slabbing, cabbing, jewelry making, and the list goes on and on. We all develop at our own pace, taking the paths that most interest us.
You'll also find that this is a very tightly-knit community of close friends, and there is a definate family atmosphere to be enjoyed. A lot of people here are "IRL" friends, and there are a lot of group outings which are generally available to all who wish to participate.
For now, if you want information on tumbling you'll just need to browse around for information. No doubt you'll also find all sorts of other interesting and informative stuff while you're browsing. If you have specific questions, don't hesitate to ask. You'll find people here will be more than glad to help.
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Post by LCARS on Jan 31, 2008 21:44:29 GMT -5
The forum is called ROCK TUMBLING hobby still right? It sort of implies that it is already a section dedicated to rock tumbling doesn't it? We discuss tumblers and tumbling all over the place here anyways so why make it an OT offense to discuss on the other boards? Just my 2c worth...
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darrad
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since September 2006
Posts: 1,636
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Post by darrad on Jan 31, 2008 21:50:08 GMT -5
When I posted a question on another forum on a good polish for tumbling Sodalite. Someone directed me here. I found home. I got my answer and I love the results. I have also moved on to cabbing and have a few saws but my tumblers always roll. That was over a year ago and as said before I still have my first love.
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Post by Michael John on Feb 1, 2008 0:28:58 GMT -5
LCARS, it's not a matter of being OT in other sections, it's a matter of organization and consolidation.
If you want to know about cabbing, you go to the cabbing section and it's all right there in front of you, in a tidy little package. The same with wire wrapping. So why shouldn't that convenience be available for tumbling? Why should we have to search all over the forum, through hundreds of pages, for tumbling information? Perhaps some veterans here don't see it as an important issue, since they probably rarely need help or information on tumbling, but new-comers do. They come to the Rock Tumbling Hobby forum, and find that THERE'S NO TUMBLING SECTION, and find themselves wading through years of assorted posts trying to weed-out the tumbling information THEY CAME HERE FOR.
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Post by LCARS on Feb 1, 2008 0:58:41 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, what you've proposed DOES make good sense. I even went a step further and suggested that with a collective member effort we could create an actual "rockipedia" that had the collective knowledge, experiences & wisdom of the members organized into logical categories with illustrated articles on specific subjects etc. All the active members on RTH will always keep this collective knowledge base is available to those who ask if they can not find it with the search. I also agree that to a newcomer, the forum structure may seem a bit odd but that's just because of the way RTH has grown from a small base to such a varied base of members. Mark seems to favour the addition of new categories when deemed apropriate but avoiding merging or eliminating them. I know Mark is probably cringing right now at the prospect of a growing opinion towards restructuring the forums to better represent the separate disciplines of lapidary but it may innevitably come down to it if we want to continue to dominate the online rock tumbling community.
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rollingstone
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since July 2009
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 1, 2008 3:39:15 GMT -5
I posted last night and said I wasn't going to add comments here because I supported the idea of a hidden poll. Well, I lied... I am going to comment here (but I'm also deleting my earlier post, to hide my two-facedness. ;D) I STRONGLY SUPPORT the creation of a section for rock tumbling photos. I'm less convinced about a section for rock tumbling information or a combined photo/information section. The reason I question a section on tumbling information, is that this information is all provided on the front page of RTH. There is a link from the forums section to the front page, but I think most people either ignore it or aren't even aware of it. The front page might benefit from a bit of updating, but overall it nicely covers everything a newbie or maybe even an experienced tumbler might want to know about rock tumbling. Here's the link, in case you are one of the many who don't even know it exists... www.rocktumblinghobby.com/A pasted-link to the front RTH page, at the top of the general forum, would go a long way to answering basic questions about tumbling. That should avoid the need for a separate section on general tumbling questions. Even with a pasted-link to the main page, I still STRONGLY SUPPORT A NEW SECTION FOR TUMBLING PHOTOS ONLY! -Don
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Post by Michael John on Feb 1, 2008 18:07:20 GMT -5
Mark seems to favour the addition of new categories when deemed apropriate but avoiding merging or eliminating them. I know Mark is probably cringing right now at the prospect of a growing opinion towards restructuring the forums to better represent the separate disciplines of lapidary but it may innevitably come down to it if we want to continue to dominate the online rock tumbling community. LOL I don't know about dominating anything, or restructuring the forums. This is just about adding a Tumbling section. I STRONGLY SUPPORT the creation of a section for rock tumbling photos. I'm less convinced about a section for rock tumbling information or a combined photo/information section ... The reason I question a section on tumbling information, is that this information is all provided on the front page of RTH. There is a link from the forums section to the front page, but I think most people either ignore it or aren't even aware of it ... A pasted-link to the front RTH page, at the top of the general forum, would go a long way to answering basic questions about tumbling. While the basics of tumbling are in the site's tutorial, there have been LOTS of specifics which have been discussed over the years. There are SO many that it wouldn't be conceivable to ask Mark to go through the arduous task of locating and moving them to a new Tumbling forum (IF it even happens). It would have to be a "from here, forward" thing. However, if in the end the voting shows overwhelming support for the idea, and Mark approves it and creates the section, I DO have something in mind. Just like the cabbing and wire wrapping sections, a Tumbling section would need to include both info and pics. How would a "pics only" section be of any real benefit to anyone? The whole idea is to build the INFO into a helpful resource, not just to look at pretty pictures. I suggest that people who are on-the-fence or for some reason opposed to a Tumbling section go and take a thorough look at the cabbing and wire wrapping sections. Pay attention to how many posts are chock-full of helpful information, and how quickly you are able to find so much information in that short time. I think, after seeing what valuable resources those sections have become, that you will agree that a Tumbling section of that nature, on a forum BASED on Tumbling, is not only desireable, but long overdue.
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rollingstone
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since July 2009
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 1, 2008 18:49:55 GMT -5
Just like the cabbing and wire wrapping sections, a Tumbling section would need to include both info and pics. How would a "pics only" section be of any real benefit to anyone? The whole idea is to build the INFO into a helpful resource, not just to look at pretty pictures. Guess I should clarify. I wasn't suggesting that it would be for pics only and no comments. I was thinking THREADS that included pics. I find that if I want to find info on something like how to tumble obsidian, the best way is to search for threads that begin with pics of tumbled obsidian, and then read the person's recipe and the various questions and answers that appear in the thread. If that doesn't answer my question, then I'll post a question in the thread, which brings it back to the top of the section, where someone will give me the answer. My hesitation on a general tumbling board for all things tumbling is that it might just become cluttered quickly with stuff that was only vaguely related to tumbling, so those photo threads with all the useful information (including actually seeing results, to better judge what works and what doesn't) might get drowned out. That is certainly what happened with the current photo section, which says it is for "images of your finest and not so finest tumbles and kits". My two cents.
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Post by Michael John on Feb 1, 2008 20:47:19 GMT -5
Just like the cabbing and wire wrapping sections, a Tumbling section would need to include both info and pics. How would a "pics only" section be of any real benefit to anyone? The whole idea is to build the INFO into a helpful resource, not just to look at pretty pictures. My hesitation on a general tumbling board for all things tumbling is that it might just become cluttered quickly with stuff that was only vaguely related to tumbling, so those photo threads with all the useful information (including actually seeing results, to better judge what works and what doesn't) might get drowned out. You can't control what people choose to post, but I'm sure we'd all rather search through one section for the info we want rather than the entire forum. As I previously said, go look at the cabbing and wire wrapping sections and you'll get a pretty good idea of how much better it is to have at least SOME sort of consolidation.
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Post by Original Admin on Feb 1, 2008 20:57:59 GMT -5
Im of the mind that the whole flippin board needs a restructure - never mind a "tumbling only" section. With so many members now wanting so many different things on here to do with rocks both in and beyond tumbling - a restructure and major build on what we have already is definately in the pipeline. This ol' board just doesnt cut it anymore due to the fact theres so many of us here, this layout is obsolete and I need to pull my finger out and get it sorted. My personal view would be to create more sub-sections etc which can focus on more fine aspects, but - more importantly to me in a still funny kind of way is that the board remains a place where theres not a whole load of moderation and people can say as they feel. That is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME. I guess that what its going to take is this. I interpret what folk want in terms of boards from what I read. then I put up more granulated boards. then A whole load of us say it needs this and that aswell then I try and accomodate that aswell. Also - I have purchased another domain, it is in my interests to build another forum which reflects the fact that I am a very unfortunate "logic" rather than "art" type of person - and am trying at a very late age to change this. But thats my dilema. But once this one is up and going I will one day be able to say Im a "bit arty" - rather than a cold logic head. Anyways Im waffling. Mark
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Post by Michael John on Feb 1, 2008 21:48:35 GMT -5
Since you're planning to start a new forum soon, you may as well go ahead and delete this thread. Glad to hear there's something new and exciting in the works!
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Post by Cher on Feb 2, 2008 10:44:50 GMT -5
With your purchase of a new domain, I can understand that your interest in this one has wained, unfortunately, burnout happens. I hope what I am reading in your post about a new forum means it is for something else entirely unrelated to the rock forum and you aren't planning to erase this one completely. It would be horrible to lose all the information and history this one has.
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Post by Original Admin on Feb 2, 2008 17:40:07 GMT -5
Cher,
"unfortunately, burnout happens."
Not in my nick of the woods - this forum is here forever - and thats that.
Mark.
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mike4bears
spending too much on rocks
Member since December 2007
Posts: 275
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Post by mike4bears on Feb 2, 2008 20:18:20 GMT -5
thanks mark. I'm glad to hear that. this site has already become important to me. and i would miss it a a lot. and I'm a newcomer. hate to think what the oldf==ts would do without it . and i just want to thank you for your work. mike4bears
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Post by Cher on Feb 2, 2008 22:58:57 GMT -5
That's good to know Mark. ;D
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