chassroc
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Post by chassroc on May 22, 2012 12:14:30 GMT -5
It seems like a simple question but is it?
The obvious answer is that you have to have demand for goods or services to create jobs. So the real question is "How do you create demand?"
You create demand by showing all the wonderful things your products can do. You create demand by offering a product or service the public just has to have... but it doesn't work unless people have the money to buy that product. Henry Ford did it by paying his workers enough to buy the products they made. How do we do it?
Basically there is demand for products as long as people can afford to buy things or can afford to hire people to do things for them. We want things we don't have and will buy them if we can and that creates jobs and having a job allows a person to buy.. so it goes around and the longer we can keep everyone buying stuff, the more jobs we have, and we buy more things and keep the money circulating, more jobs created and more people buying more goods and services
If you can get a lot of money into the hands of people who need goods or services, day to day, week to week, they probably will spend that money and you have the demand. If the money is not there, the demand is not either.
If you look at developing and emerging economies, there are usually a few haves and a large number of have-nots. The wealth does not get redistributed and there is very little consumption and few jobs.
If you can continually redistribute the wealth and keep the money moving around, everyone benefits and the economy stays pumped.
Seems pretty simple
Charlie
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Post by mohs on May 22, 2012 12:26:04 GMT -5
Well your analysis seem like a bubble to me Who is responsible for job creation? Is jobs creation anyone’s responsibility? It starts simple-- it becomes complicated very fast That why Adam Smith had faith in an 'invisible hand' :nono: mostly
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 22, 2012 12:31:20 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't buy it. If the wealth can be redistributed by having the people too lazy to work, getting up off their butts and working for their money, then I'd go for that. Taking money away from hard working people, and just giving it to the others that won't work is wrong. Where is the incentive to work hard, then?
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Post by jakesrocks on May 22, 2012 13:14:33 GMT -5
Redistribution ? Isn't that what Socialism is all about ?
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Post by grayfingers on May 22, 2012 13:20:30 GMT -5
Charlie, that is just plain. . . absurd ab·surd adj \əb-ˈsərd, -ˈzərd\ Definition of ABSURD 1: ridiculously unreasonable, unsound, or incongruous <an absurd argument> 2: having no rational or orderly relationship to human life : meaningless Bill
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Post by chassroc on May 22, 2012 14:15:51 GMT -5
As my parents used to say, "You've got to have a better idea to criticize anothers" ...so let's hear it...
How do you create jobs?
Without an equitable society that has enough consumers there is inadequate demand. Without demand there are insufficient jobs.
Charlie
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 22, 2012 15:05:07 GMT -5
I agree with your last statement, but not the solution you propose - redistribution of wealth. How do you create jobs? Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. If I did, I'd be making the big bucks - which then you would have me sharing with others.
Here's why socialism won't work: Let's say, that you've worked hard, made some money, and bought some pretty cool machines for making cabs (tumbled rocks, whatever). So if we are going to redistribute the wealth - your rocks, to people that don't have machines, or the know-how to polish rocks, where is their incentive to purchase equipment, or learn how to cab (tumble, etc)? When the rock nazis show up at your door, are you just going to turn all the stuff that you worked hard for over without a fight?
There are too many lazy people in this country (I'm only talking about the ones that are fit, and are capable of working), with work ethics that suck. Many have been on the dole for generations. Why work when you can just have it given to you for free?
Again, I don't know how to create jobs. But giving my stuff away is not the answer. How does THAT create jobs?
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Post by jakesrocks on May 22, 2012 15:16:59 GMT -5
# 1 --- Block companies from sending our jobs offshore.
# 2 --- Reopen our factories which are sitting idle.
# 3 --- Double or even triple the import taxes on American products already being produced offshore.
# 4 --- Tax incentives for companies that build jobs inside the U.S.
# 5 --- No imported labor, unless the employer can prove beyond any doubt that a qualified American worker does not exist to fill that job.
# 6 --- Reduce welfare and unemployment pay. Force them to support their own drug problems.
# 7 --- Get the government the hell out of the way, and let business grow.
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Post by Toad on May 22, 2012 16:11:27 GMT -5
You may create jobs with your theory, Charlie - but no one will apply for them because someone is redistributing the wealth and giving them free money. Where is the incentive to work? Any jobs you artificially created will go unfilled and the scheme eventually will collapse.
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 22, 2012 16:26:04 GMT -5
I'd like to add one more to Don's suggestions (which are all great, BTW!): How about people quit having children that they cannot afford? Over population is a huge problem. Without (or with fewer) children to provide for, people would have more money to spend on other things! It's unfortunate that more children equate to more "assistance" money from the gov't.
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 22, 2012 16:35:46 GMT -5
You may create jobs with your theory, Charlie - but no one will apply for them because someone is redistributing the wealth and giving them free money. Where is the incentive to work? Any jobs you artificially created will go unfilled and the scheme eventually will collapse. You nailed it Toad. You want to create jobs?Simple. Throw Barry out of office and elect a republican.
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Post by chad on May 22, 2012 16:52:13 GMT -5
How did this end up as the usual anti-welfare rant? This is the problem, I don't think Charlie meant "welfare" by using the word "redistribution". He was speaking simply of economics. People make money and spend (redistribute) it. Didn't seem to take long for the "socialism" paranoia to start up. Economy is a much bigger picture with more moving parts than any one theory or way of doing things can adequately summarize in a rock forum post. Work, money, spending, wants, goods, welfare... They're all necessary parts of a whole. Our "two" party politics have degenerated into a slurry of buzzwords and half baked ideas usually not based in reality.... And too many people willing to quickly call each other lazy or pull out pink unicorns.... All without truly understanding or offering a solution. Fear of helping others because that may be "socialism". Please elect a "republican". Maybe all our "socialism" recipients should just be subject to "sharia law"? Look at the bright side, all the bigoted closed minded selfish folks could then throw rocks at people legally. I'm sure it'd be a hit on FOX Makes me wonder how many people turn tail and run away from this forum after reading some of the drivel in this off-topic thread.
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Post by parfive on May 22, 2012 17:02:22 GMT -5
Get a grip, Charlie. The redistribution hierarchy is workin’ just fine and according to plan. Better yet, most of the serfs don’t even realize it. ;D
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 22, 2012 17:09:33 GMT -5
Rich, when you say "surfs". Are you taking about Obama supporters?
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 22, 2012 17:13:55 GMT -5
I know one sure fire way how not to create jobs. OVER TAX THE RICH! They have the money to move to countries that welcome wealth. Good example, the dude that owns half of Facebook. He took his money and ran.
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Post by unclestu on May 22, 2012 17:43:59 GMT -5
Charlie if you redistribute some of your wealth over my way I promise that I will do my part and create demand by spending it. I promise.
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Post by grayfingers on May 22, 2012 17:57:49 GMT -5
Makes me wonder how many people turn tail and run away from this forum after reading some of the drivel in this off-topic thread. Off topic? You must be lost. Life, the Universe and Everything. From time to time - things that are not related to rocks are talked about. Politics etc. Drivel? More like Snivel.
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Post by cpdad on May 22, 2012 18:36:56 GMT -5
i can create jobs and feed folks....with pipelines...build me 3 keystone pipe lines....my main business is slurry pump parts. forget about the little frigging gnats that need saving ...and build pipelines to move oil sand material thru the U.S. i train machinist to make these parts....rebuild/repair gearboxes...and a ton of other stuff that is all related to the oil industry. i usually have good guys that hang with me for about 6 to 8 years....then they accept higher paying jobs with ....folks like international paper....kimberly clark...procter gamble and such.....i dont mind that....i feel good about training them to better themselves. then the process starts all over again....i train more to replace the ones that i trained that have moved on to better jobs. im sure pipelines arent the only thing that can create jobs....but im sure some of you may get the picture.....kev
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Post by chad on May 22, 2012 18:52:26 GMT -5
"Forum": RTH "Thread": Life, universe, everything "Post": how to create jobs
So yes, this is the off-topic thread (the "topic" of this forum being rocks). And yeah, it's constantly full of sniveling drivel. A whole lot of sniveling about helping people who may or may not "deserve" it.
There's always been lazy people. There's always been welfare fraud. There's NOT always been global economic recession. Simple logic could conclude that welfare and satanic socialism is not entirely, and probably not even mostly to blame.
But one thing there has and always will be is noisy grumbling old men who just don't get it.
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Post by grayfingers on May 22, 2012 19:15:54 GMT -5
Aw now, don't be so hard on yourself. . .
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