chassroc
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Sept 7, 2012 7:32:21 GMT -5
Post by chassroc on Sept 7, 2012 7:32:21 GMT -5
Wow...It is so easy to see why all Americans should be supporting Barack over Romney. The differences are so clear.
You can really break it down into a Democratic party that cares about something larger than themselves, a party that cares about all people, not just the well-to-do, a party that realizes that a strong middle class is more important than a small privileged class with larger than life wealth.
You could see the real enthusiam of those who passionately care about this country and care about people. People who want to lead all Americans not just those who have it made already.
They have protected us against foreign threats, withdraw us from conflicts with imagined antagonists, brought home our boys and girls from wars that we have no business in.
They have ruthlessly pursued those who harm America no matter where they are around the globe and have made the difficult choices to inflame the fragile egos of countries that may not be trusted when we have to get the bad guys of al Khaida.
They protect the safety nets of SS and Medicare and Healthcare for everyone, not just Congressman. They support workers who are unemployed and workers who are working, not just the fat cat CEOs.
The choice is so clear. You have Democrats understanding that not everyone can agree on everything and willing to accept half a loaf if that can make this a better country and society.
You have a party that is upbeat and believes in America. An America where everyone has duties and responsibility and shares in the rewards they help to create. A party that believes we are better when we are united and working together toward common goals. A party that believes we are in this together and people should never be excluded because they are different. Hell, we all are different in some way. Sometimes you are lucky enough to be in the Majority and sometimes you are not, but we are still people just trying to create a better life for pourselves and our families and our community and the country. A party that dares to hope and fight for a better life for all. Charlie
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Sept 7, 2012 9:22:57 GMT -5
Post by sheltie on Sept 7, 2012 9:22:57 GMT -5
Without getting into the politics of the two conventions, I will say that the difference between the two has been amazing. The GOP was more businesslike, more toned down while the Dems was alive and speechmaking was outstanding.
As far as the "meat", I prefer not to comment as I will change no one's mind nor will anyone here influence me. I'm a moderate Republican, leaning more to the Independent side, and pride myself on being able to make an evaluation which is best for me NOT based on the fact that it is a GOP or Dem statement. The day that I'm unable to make my own determination based on my due diligence is the day I'll be totally worthless.
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Sept 8, 2012 13:53:20 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 13:53:20 GMT -5
I agree with Sheltie. The key here being 'due diligence'.
Both sides are full of rhetoric. However, the most important thing is knowing what the nominees are hired to do.
You do not hire an accountant to sew up your cuts, and you do not hire a doctor to file your taxes. The biggest stupidity, and I get distracted by it all the time, is the need for a person seeking/keeping a job to make promises for tasks he can neither control nor impact (prices of gas? Are you kidding? Number of jobs when Federal hiring is suspended? Are you kidding?).
I have limited time to post, so digging up relevant links that no one wants to read to back up what I say I have no time for right now. But geezus, use common sense. What does a President DO?
There are 3 branches of US Government. The President is the EXECUTIVE. Meaning he EXECUTES the laws, does not create or checks them.
Execution means Foreign Diplomacy and Commander in Chief. THAT is what we hire a President to do, and everything else falls on Congress or the Supreme Court. Everything else is just BS.
Everyone knows the world is changing. And when 'powers' rise up, the first thing they want to do is flex their muscles. In the next 4 years, we will face NOT only crisis in the Middle East from Iran, but we have China ready to fight over the South Seas islands claimed by the Phillipines and Japan, we have Russia ready to fight over US's European missile placement, we have Syria as the contentious breeding ground that Putin is already starting to plant his feet over.... (remember Reagan's support of Afghanistan's Muhajadin in the 80s, WHILE the USSR was fighting there?).
We simply cannot spread our military to every single hotspot anymore, and a retard who commits our troops to one spot allows an opening in another. We want a 'businessman' to deal with this with no foreign policy experience whatsoever?
4 years ago, Obama had no experience either. Today, he does. This is no different from hiring an 18 year old to run a machine to replace someone doing that job for 4 years already... and this brand new guy will compete with Putin's Russia (anyone remember what Putin did to Chechnya and Georgia?), Hu's China (anyone follow the South Sea crisis? And Taiwan's next). And Syria's getting VERY ugly and Iran too. And that's NOT counting the fact that we have thousands of troops STILL DYING in Afghanistan as we speak.
It's OUR kids who die dealing with all the above... and we want a draft dodger with 0 experience sending them to die. That IS the US President's sole job is, dealing with the foreign policy.
One with so little regard for them that he didn't bother to mention the US troops fighting RIGHT NOW in Afghanistan, not only in his OWN speech, but not one speech in the Republican Convention. Geezus Christ.
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Sept 8, 2012 16:39:56 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 8, 2012 16:39:56 GMT -5
You do not hire an accountant to sew up your cuts, and you do not hire a doctor to file your taxes.
I agree with you 100% Helen. What makes a Community Organizer think he can run a country. Should he not be out there somewhere organizing a community?
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Sept 8, 2012 17:32:19 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 17:32:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't have, but now that community organizer has 4 years of experience in Foreign Policy on the job.
Tell me what Foreign Policy experience Romney has besides outsourcing?
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Sept 8, 2012 17:40:38 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 17:40:38 GMT -5
And what background experience WOULD a community organizer have? Negotiation skills. Mediation with several opposing sides. Persuasion to organize. And 4 years of experience, backed by a Sec of State, the wife of an 8 year President that she sleeps with and talks to every day.
What skills does a CEO has? He issues directives. He TELLS his sales force what to sell, he TELLS his company what to make, and what to buy.
When Romney goes to TELL China that the South Sea shipping channels and islands belong to the Phillipines.... Chinese warships and planes will be IN the air. And stupid Romney will learn what foreign policy is with a power as strong as we are, and stronger in their own backyard, than stretched out USA today fighting in Afghanistan. And our troops in the Phillipines will die. And Russia's Putin already said he will NOT negotiate if Romney's elected. Russia will stand with China.
Can Isreal send troops to the South Seas? Where will Pakistan stand? Where will Canada stand? Where will the UK stand? With Romney after the Olympics? Who will stand with the US when Romney makes that blunder? A business negotiation that goes south is everyone walks away. An international negotiation that goes sour is WAR.
This is the 'what ifs' of foreign diplomacy and politics. If you think a CEO that has never been in that situation and cannot imagine himself in that situation will handle it well... with a 'team' taking office and no staff appointed yet, you are sadly mistaken.
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Sept 8, 2012 17:54:08 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 17:54:08 GMT -5
Here are the world stage conflicts, and you can do your own googling too, that are far greater than the belly button contemplation we've been doing with our domestic policies that are being 'handled' by Hillary behind the scenes right now... all of which can escalate overnight into a WWI WWII conflict: South China Seas: globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/07/how-to-avoid-maritime-conflict-in-asia/www.npr.org/2012/09/07/160745930/little-islands-are-big-trouble-in-the-south-china-seaHeadline: Little Islands Are Big Trouble In The South China Sea by SCOTT NEUMAN Will China FIGHT over those islands? They've been building up their military furiously... for what do you think? China's GDP is set to surpass the USA's the current projection is by 2016. Do you remember the Monroe Doctrine? Maybe you should look it up.... tell me... if we will not allow foreign bases in North America... why do we fantasize that China will continue to tolerate them in their waters? The USA owns Okinawa and the Phillipines is a US protectorate WITH a very large US military base there. Hrm. Geopolitics in the 21st Century is not Reagan era Cold War, when the Chinese rode bicycles and refrigerators were the billionaires of their city. Russia and Putin: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9243954/Russia-threatens-Nato-with-military-strikes-over-missile-defence-system.htmlHeadline: Russia threatens Nato with military strikes over missile defence system Middle East: Syria & Iran. Syria: www.infowars.com/endgame-in-syria-and-iran-risks-war-with-china-and-russia/Endgame in Syria and Iran Risks War with China and Russia Kurt Nimmo Infowars.com July 9, 2012 Iran, not even going to bother. We all already know what's coming with that. I will note something critically important however.... BOTH China and Russia trade with Iran. BOTH. And THAT's not all... THIS YEAR, China's Navy started JOINT naval exercises with RUSSIA... wonder WHY? www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/china-russia-navy-drills-raise-new-tensions/story-e6frg6so-1226335633576If we don't have a civil war, we are looking at WWIII. If we do have a civil war, it will be the opportunity to take us out. If we pick 1 conflict to fight, in our backdoor comes the other opponent. And we want ROMNEY, the businessman taking care of this? There's a REASON his money's in SWITZERLAND and CAYMANS ... what could that REASON be? And with very little skin in the game, this moron is going to do the negotiating with these powers? There are SOOO many damned reasons to not vote for him, words are simply not enough. Wake the hell UP.
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Sept 8, 2012 19:10:21 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 8, 2012 19:10:21 GMT -5
Wow this is like like the best liberal Omamaite circle jerk I've ever read *L* Whatever floats your boat I guess. If it makes you feel better and safer to believe Obama knows what he's doing and is making American stronger literally, or in the view of the rest of the world, I'm happy for ya. Less than 60 days and counting, then we'll get to see how many Americans have been fooled by all the hype you and those like you have been spinning. I think it's gonna be a pretty darn close election.....Mel
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Sept 8, 2012 19:27:05 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 8, 2012 19:27:05 GMT -5
And what background experience WOULD a community organizer have? Negotiation skills. Mediation with several opposing sides. Persuasion to organize. And 4 years of experience, backed by a Sec of State, the wife of an 8 year President that she sleeps with and talks to every day.
I will give you an example of Barry's Negotiation skills. Mr. President there is trouble in the middle east. Barry- ah Hilary would you take care of that for me. No world leaders respect me after I bowed my head to them. Hilary- STFU I'm on the phone with Ben. Hilary is what held you folks together for the last 4 years on the world stage.
I have a strange feeling that Mitt will appoint Miss Rice as Sec of State. Mitt is a smart business man and he will surround himself with the right people for the job.
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Sept 8, 2012 20:16:58 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 20:16:58 GMT -5
The Secretary of State has nothing to do with the Fed. Actually, none of them do, the Fed is an independent agency altogether, almost like the Supreme Court. That's why CONGRESS is trying to pass a bill to make the Fed give them reports. No one tells the Fed what to do, and the appointments are lifetime like the Supreme Court, and the employees are lifetime civil servants. Ben Bernanke was appointed by Bush. Obama will get nowhere talking to Ben. Why do you comment on US politics at all when you know so little about how it works? OF COURSE Hillary held the US together on the world stage for the last 4 years. HELLO, that's the Secretary of State's JOB. Doh. Rice? Rice helped us right into the Iraq and Afghan wars. That's what we need, someone who thinks that dealing with Russia and China is similar to dealing with a 3rd world nation that has had sanctions for 12 years, and a nation that fought a civil war and everything the USSR could throw at them that they could muster for 10 years before we showed up to beat them up as if it's the first time. Did you SEE what Putin said about Romney this week? Here, let me show you: www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/06/us-russia-putin-syria-usa-idUSBRE8850CO20120906I don't know how familiar you are with diplomatic language, but from the Russians, that's a warning. And the warning isn't, "you will face imminent attack"... it means that should anything ELSE happens, Russia is not going to help the US. Of course, Romney knows that, because Romney calls Russia "our #1 enemy". What a IGNORANT thing for a US nominee to say. Wars start over words. Russia can't take us on right now... but if China takes us on in the South China Seas, it's going to get interesting but fast. Putin backtracked, but you'd better believe he hasn't forgotten. Yes, Hillary HAS held us together for the last 4 years, no argument there. Hillary won't work for Romney, and Condoleeza is no Hillary. We'll see what happens. Again, I don't see Obama winning this, DESPITE that he's ahead in the polls. I also think that war will be inevitable under Romney, the only thing is with whom and where, and whether some nations will take the opportunity to invade our soil directly if we are otherwise engaged or spread thin. A mouthy clown who off the cuff threatens Russia, insults UK our greatest (and from recent history, only) military ally, and promises military aid we may not be able to deliver, all in the same week, as Commander in Chief may in fact be Armageddon. We will see.
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Sept 8, 2012 20:42:10 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 8, 2012 20:42:10 GMT -5
Sadly, here I agree with Helen. I think another war, and a nasty one is inevitable. And under Obama who will cut the military, we will probably not be prepared. Heck, we can't even afford another war as is. Then on top of that, due to excess regulation/interference/regressive greenie ideology by the government, we have not made any great progress towards energy independence which, with Mid east Oil sources in jeopardy, will screw the country up even further. I read somewhere that the Russians and Chinese are expecting the US to fall apart in revolution. More wars, being broke and in debt, unable to afford a strong military, and a freeloader society ready to revolt if their freebies are taken away ( ala Greece), they just might be right in their expectations....Mel
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Sept 8, 2012 20:49:34 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 8, 2012 20:49:34 GMT -5
Of course Putin wants Barry. Take the time and watch. He knows that Barry is a push over. Via The Huffington Post/Reuters: "President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election. Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin. The unusually frank exchange came as Obama and Medvedev huddled together on the eve of a global nuclear security summit in the South Korean capital, unaware their words were being picked up by microphones as reporters were led into the room...".* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down. * www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/nuclear-summit-barack-obama-medvedev... And here is one from CNN I wasn't taking about the fed. Ben was short for Natanyahu.
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Sept 8, 2012 20:52:18 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 8, 2012 20:52:18 GMT -5
Hillary- STFU I'm on the phone with Ben till you can spell my name right. Miss Rice? What’s with the Miss Rice shit? You forget her name? Or just afraid of spellin’ it? ;D
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Sept 8, 2012 21:00:58 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 8, 2012 21:00:58 GMT -5
You forget her name? Or just afraid of spellin’ it? Yep ;D
Just in case you missed it Rich and Helen.
He is Putin's own words about Barry.
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Sept 8, 2012 21:27:49 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 21:27:49 GMT -5
Putin was the former KGB head. Yes, he probably does think that he will have a tougher time with Romney, because Romney's naive and stupid, and will do the CEO bluster. If he does, he leaves Putin little choice but to take action NOW, and NOT give Romney time to build any experience up... no nation on earth likes Romney. But Russia would have to go it alone if he did... and that choice is never preferable if you understand Russia's foreign policy. Russia has one goal and always has... it's the same goal the US and China has... expand global influence. Russia has always been opportunistic, max gain for min cost. They did not enter WWI until it was clear they could get something for minimal risk, and WWII when they got invaded by Hitler, and then held off even after the Germans were losing until they could sweep into Berlin and China when it was CLEAR that Germany was defeated and the US had Japan on the run. They snagged 1/2 of Berlin, and part of Mongolia... but Stalin was Hitler's ALLY first, and still managed to get one of the UN Security Council's 5 seats. Putin was around for much of that, and he's a student of history too, with decades in the Politburo. Russia is not the threat, it's the wildcard. But should we get spread thin, they will be the ones landing on the West Coast. Obama NEEDS to negotiate with Putin, and Putin's smart enough to know he's got the hidden Aces, but he also knows that Hillary can get China to stay out of a conflict... so after reconsideration, he rethunk Romney... Romney could play into his hand too, simply by giving Russia justification to take out the missile defense system in Europe while Romney's busy sacking the US treasury. Anyone who's studied International Politics can see it clear as looking at a map. The THREAT is actually not clear, because it can come from a lot of places. The MOMENT we engage in ONE arena right now, we open the door to attack on another quarter, because we cannot muster fast enough to defend. Going into Iran right now is the STUPIDEST thing we could do. Syria is another huge problem... it's about to get REALLY ugly before it's over. Voting for Obama buys us time. The 'cuts' to the military are automatic from the Republican Congress's budget fiasco last year. They put a bilateral commission to wrangle out a budget agreement, and they didn't do it, so the 1.2 Trillion dollar budget cut with set percentages will take place Jan 2 .... the cuts are AUTOMATIC if Congress can't get their shyt together by then, and Obama can't do SQUAT to change it. That said, he has already started taking action to mitigate the damage, by excepting our fighting personnel from ANY cuts, but it's probably as far as a President can go, he cannot change the laws, this was a Congressional act brought about by the Republicans when they could not raise taxes: www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/08/03/obama-exempts-military-personnel-from-cuts-civilian-workers-weapons-at-bigger-riskThe military cut WILL NOT HAPPEN if the STUPID JACKASS Republican Congress agree to the President's budget. Geezus, why am I talking about this with someone who thinks Obama is going to get on the phone with Ben Benanke? LOL!
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Sept 8, 2012 21:31:27 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 8, 2012 21:31:27 GMT -5
Just for you Helen, this should brighten your night.
See I'm not a a$$hole all the time.
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Sept 8, 2012 22:35:16 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 22:35:16 GMT -5
You forget her name? Or just afraid of spellin’ it? Yep ;D Just in case you missed it Rich and Helen. He is Putin's own words about Barry. DID you watch Putin's speech? He said NOTHING about Obama. NOT ONE WORD. So you found a catchy title, and decided that you can ignore the actual content:)? Just saw the 'Official video of the Chinese army' (biggest army in the world). Interesting. No longer the sloppy peasants charging with pitchforks at US machine gun batteries in Korea. This is what we will fight in the SE Asia shipping lanes if we defend the Phillipines claim:
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Sept 8, 2012 22:38:30 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 8, 2012 22:38:30 GMT -5
Some arsenal... and there's no photos of the secret planes and technology they have developed in the last 10 years. We hear about it, but we cannot see it... and they have trillions to SPEND on developing it. What you see in the video below is their standard crap they show for propaganda. We won't get to see anything til they engage someone... and they won't until the stakes are worth it.
Now why are they doing this?
Maybe Romney should go insult them next, because he thinks he's talking to Iran, who LOST the 7 year war to Saddam Hussein.
We're badass, we beat a nation that had been sanctioned for 12 years on the verge of starvation, and fought against weapons they got from Ronald Reagan.
China has heat seeking missiles, AWAC's with radar avoidance, and has put a man into space.
They have a draftable population of over 300 million, and every boy child must serve a year in the military the last I heard. The entire population of the USA is 360 million.
Think we should sic Romney on them after his lovely trip to our FRIENDS? Watch the aircraft from the middle of the movie forward. Interesting.
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Sept 8, 2012 22:53:26 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 8, 2012 22:53:26 GMT -5
Helen – You can wipe Putin off the DEFCON board for a while. Harper’s over there now rippin’ Vlad a new one. ;D
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Sept 8, 2012 22:59:35 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 8, 2012 22:59:35 GMT -5
Well . . . after Putin made him wait an hour.
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