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Sept 10, 2012 11:19:08 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 11:19:08 GMT -5
For those interested, here's the full CBS interview with the Seal who shot Bin Laden: www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57508646/seals-first-hand-account-of-bin-laden-killing/?tag=contentMain;contentBodyThe Seal is under Pentagon investigation for writing the book without Pentagon approval. Yet in the book (and above Interview Transcript/Video), he makes it very clear that it was the President who gave the order to go ahead with the mission, and White House representatives were there to watch them train. They trained for 3 weeks before they went on the mission. 3 weeks. Under direct Joint Chiefs of Staff (who answers to Obama) AND White House observers (who answer to Obama). 3 weeks. Out of the mouth of the man who shot Bin Laden in the head: A few days after getting the mission, they had their plan and so began weeks of rehearsals on a full-size version of the compound built in North Carolina.
Scott Pelley: How many times did you assault it? How many times did you train on it?
Mark Owen: A lot. Between when we got the mission and when we left for Afghanistan we probably, you know, get-- probably get 100 times.
Scott Pelley: So how unusual was this kind of training?
Mark Owen: It's, yeah, very unusual. I've never had all the mock ups. I've never rehearsed for something for three weeks.
One rehearsal had an audience; the nation's highest ranking officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the head of Special Operations Admiral Eric Olson, and observers from the White House. Another Republican lie put to rest.
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Sept 10, 2012 15:50:46 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 15:50:46 GMT -5
And while I'm still thinking about this, let me point out one more thing to consider.
That 50% of the US population you want to starve to death will be the ones asked to die for you in case of invasion or war. You very sure that your greed and selfishness when knowing that fact is a good position to take? Starving people don't fight well, and the slaves opened the gates of Rome to the Visigoths...
If we were to paint a fantasy scenerio where 'God' played earth like a chess game, this election 'choice' could well be the choice between greed vs intellect. I've never seen an election where the options were so clear. As a nation, we will decide who we are this November, Sodom and Gomorrah or the man who walked away. "Let them Starve" may well come back to haunt you if you survive. I'd look at the choices again with opened eyes.
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Sept 10, 2012 18:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2012 18:13:00 GMT -5
Here we go with the off point rhetoric again Helen. First off the freeloaders are a good example of unfettered greed. They all want their Obamabucks! By God they feel they are entitled to their Obamabucks even thought they don't work for them! *L*. Wanting to keep what you earned is the exact opposite of that kind of greed . Folks "are" entitled to what they earn from their hard work.
Secondly, I don't think anyone wants any one to starve. That's just your BS political flak, class warfare propaganda. What many of us want is for the lazy ass laggards to go to work and earn their money like the other 50% of the country, even if it's at a job that is difficult or demeaning. Folks who earn money, pay taxes and spend money to boost the economy. Many of us did crumby jobs when we had to. And we want them to work at that crappy job and train for something better, again like many of that 50% you seem to find deserving of robbery.
Don't know any other way to say it to get it through your thick head. If you are sick or cannot work because of an infirmity or need a little very temporary help, OK. But gulldang it I saw an interview with an employer on the local news the other day and he said he has plenty of jobs and half the people can't pass a drug test and a bunch more asked if he can hold the job for them until their unemployment runs out. Was at Wally World the other day and couldn't get a clerk in sporting goods. Asked why. Same story, nine from ten can't pass mandatory drug test. It is unacceptable to be a fraking lazy ass freeloader living like a damn parasite and feeding off those who earned their money and I find it unfathomable that you defend this kind of behavior and demonize those who suggest maybe these folks should work for a living. Drug use is not a disability. It is unacceptable to sit at home watching TV and smoking weed and then draw taxpayer money and food stamps because you cannot pass a drug test just as it is to drop out of school which is free and not get enough education to find a job that requires high school. It is unacceptable to be a generational welfare family cranking out kids and depending on the sweat of others to feed your kids when the only time you ever sweated you were on your back breeding. You know, any folks can learn to pick fruit and vegetables ( my dad did all his youth and my grandfather and my uncle). What do you think all the transplanted Okies and Texicans did during the great depression and dust bowl years? However, if you give folks two fraking years of free money, pay their mortgages, pay their health care, give them food stamps, fake disabilities etc. there are a lot of folks that are immoral enough to choose the life of a parasite. And this is what should not be permitted. If you deny the freebies, most able bodied folks will work rather than starve.
Far as your going to war comment. First off soldiering is an important "JOB" Weed smoking welfare sluggards don't make good workers or soldiers I expect. So far our military is volunteer and the guys and gals who sign up are exceptional and brave and nobody asked them to protect us. They do it because they feel it''s their duty and that's why they make good workers too. I think your comment is as usual kind of stupid, as the slacker 50% you so want to protect are most likely not those who will volunteer to die for their country. They're more likely the 50% that will riot in the streets when denied their freebies so the folks who serve from the other fifty percent have to to be mobilized to kick their asses back in line *L* Mel
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Sept 10, 2012 18:51:16 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 18:51:16 GMT -5
Which freeloaders? Show me an example of a freeloader. One that can work, is not handicapped, disabled, elderly or a child. Show me, there must be quite a few living examples of these lazy worthless people living off the federal dole.
50% of the US is poor and getting some form of assistance, according to the news. There are 360 million people in the USA roughly. That's 180 million greedy selfish lazy people living off your money and mine.
So, of that 180 million people, 1.8 million is 10% of those needing help. 1% would be .18 million, or 180,000 people. Think you can miss them? Please show me some articles, no, lets make it even easier, ONE article that can NAME 10 of them, 180 million names is just too many to ask for.
10. Can you do that? People who can work, but refuse to and are not working. There's a REASON for you to claim this, I want to see that reason.
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Sept 10, 2012 18:52:08 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 18:52:08 GMT -5
NAMES Mel. NAMES. Fact Check time. NAMES.
Right now, I claim that you are making this up. I am calling your source a liar. Lets see this source, WITH the data to back it up.
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Sept 10, 2012 19:05:39 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 19:05:39 GMT -5
And here's an article just for you Mel, from Christian Science Monitor. You should really read it, you may learn something about Presidents:): www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2012/0906/Not-true-Mitt-Romney-History-shows-business-experience-doesn-t-make-a-good-presidentNot true, Mitt Romney: History shows business experience doesn't make a good president Mitt Romney has derided President Obama for lacking the business experience he claimed as 'essential to his task.' That's a popular GOP message, but it's not true. America's best-rated presidents weren't businessmen, and those with the most business success rank among the worst. And, lets note that the GOP's BEST AND FAVORITE President, Ronald Reagan was an ACTOR. Why would an ACTOR succeed at that job best? Oh yah... DIPLOMACY! Gee...
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Sept 10, 2012 19:54:10 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2012 19:54:10 GMT -5
Helen: Now you're just being silly and think that you lie when you deny a lot of these folks exist. Or you are blind. I'm sure folks here know plenty of those freeloaders. Can you name the young healthy scumbags hanging around the street corners in your neighborhood? If you have them, I doubt you socialize with them. *L* Don't be ridiculous. Had a house full of them on the corner where I used to live in California. Each evening as I was coming home from work dog tired, they'd give me a friendly wave from their chaise lounges in the front yard where they'd been lounging and smoking dope and drinking beer since they got up around noon. *L* And no I didn't ask the aholes their names. You must live in a pretty exclusive neighborhood if you ain't seen any of these folks. (Though I must admit, I too live in that kind of neighborhood now which is one of the many reasons I left Commiefornia.) Or heck, you'd never admit it if you had seen laggards around because they're all Democratic voters . Don't you watch TV for crying out loud, I saw a man on the street story a few weeks ago interviewing folks in the line for freebies and big strapping young men were bragging about how they were in line for " whatever they could get" and "I wanna get me some of them Obama bucks" Heck, I think the interview in fact was ole crazy Nancy's documentary making daughter. You deny the problem because if does not fit into your worldview or pro Obama propaganda stream.....Mel
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Sept 10, 2012 20:02:14 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2012 20:02:14 GMT -5
Helen: Read the story. Has it's points but it's apples and oranges. We live in different times now and the problems we have are more economic and more to do with government being too big and spending too much for too long and are much more severe. The POTUS' crew have shown they do not know how to handle these problems and perhaps a business man will do better. He certainly can't do any worse from my point of view. Time to give someone else a chance....Mel
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Sept 10, 2012 20:07:19 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 20:07:19 GMT -5
I don't know any 'freeloaders' at all. And I guess you need to define this 'freeloader' term. What is that exactly? Someone who worked for 30 years and got laid off, then applies for his $275 a week unemployment is a 'freeloader'? A mom who's husband ran off and left her with 5 hungry kids who cannot find any childcare is a 'freeloader'? A man who got laid off and has 4 kids and a wife making minimum wage and can only find a minimum wage job at McDonalds, so gets food stamps for the kids while he looks is a freeloader? Which exactly are you calling freeloaders?
Downtown, there are still people SLEEPING in the parks tho. I see them getting no help from anyone at all, let alone the Federal gov't, or they wouldn't be sleeping in parks. Your 'houseful' of people, how do you know they get government assistance and aren't making their money dealing drugs while you're asleep? If they're sitting around drinking beers and smoking dope on the porch, that's not the first thing that comes to mind for you?
Further, you can look up every program that the Gov't hands out, I see not a single one that hands out 'Obamabucks'. If there is, I want some too, point me at the site please.
And you never answered my question. NAMES. Articles (or just 1 with names).
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Sept 10, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 10, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -5
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Sept 10, 2012 20:54:35 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 20:54:35 GMT -5
Parfive, you need to spend less time at Happy Hour.
I'm not sure I believe a word of that goofy article you found... read a few other articles. Try the one where it says that the Navy Seal released that book to discredit Obama. In the next breath admitting that FOX 'outed' his name. Gee, think FOX would out him if he were truly DISCREDITING Obama? FOX put an American hero's life at risk to Al Qaeda operators because he SUPPORTED Obama in his book.
Your site is wacked. As dumb as some Republicans may be, I find it nearly impossible that 15% think Romney killed Bin Laden. That's claiming that 15% of the Republicans do not know who the President of the US is right now. If THAT"S true, then in 1 fell swoop, Romney just lost 15% of the Republican vote, because those people think he's already President? LOL!
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Sept 10, 2012 23:19:13 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 10, 2012 23:19:13 GMT -5
My site is wacked? Well, first off, it ain’t my site - it was just a shorter, less cumbersome link than the one for Rawstory.com. Try the Google thingie and you’ll find, just on page one . . .
Washington Post New York Times Salon Wonkette Motherjones Palmetto Public Record (reports similar poll results in North Carolina)
The polling outfit is legit and studies routinely confirm partisan bias leading to results as crazy as any email from yer uncle with no light at the top of the stairs.
Besides which, it’s so stupid it’s funny.
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Sept 10, 2012 23:35:22 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 23:35:22 GMT -5
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Sept 10, 2012 23:54:01 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 10, 2012 23:54:01 GMT -5
Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney? OVERALL 63% Barack Obama 6% Mitt Romney 31% Not sure DEMOCRAT . . . TMF (total moron factor) = 14% 86% Barack Obama 1% Mitt Romney 13% Not sure REPUBLICAN 38% Barack Obama 15% Mitt Romney 47% Not sure ;D INDEPENDENT/OTHER 64% Barack Obama 1% Mitt Romney 36% Not sure
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Sept 10, 2012 23:55:38 GMT -5
Post by fwfranklen (Mike) on Sept 10, 2012 23:55:38 GMT -5
Hmm I thought it was a Navy Seal that killed Osama bin Laden? Boy was I wrong!!!!
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Sept 10, 2012 23:58:10 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 10, 2012 23:58:10 GMT -5
Mike, repost from the last page. The interview with the Seal who shot Bin Laden on 60 minutes, linked, you can watch the interview. For those interested, here's the full CBS interview with the Seal who shot Bin Laden: www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57508646/seals-first-hand-account-of-bin-laden-killing/?tag=contentMain;contentBodyThe Seal is under Pentagon investigation for writing the book without Pentagon approval. Yet in the book (and above Interview Transcript/Video), he makes it very clear that it was the President who gave the order to go ahead with the mission, and White House representatives were there to watch them train. They trained for 3 weeks before they went on the mission. 3 weeks. Under direct Joint Chiefs of Staff (who answers to Obama) AND White House observers (who answer to Obama). 3 weeks. Out of the mouth of the man who shot Bin Laden in the head: A few days after getting the mission, they had their plan and so began weeks of rehearsals on a full-size version of the compound built in North Carolina.
Scott Pelley: How many times did you assault it? How many times did you train on it?
Mark Owen: A lot. Between when we got the mission and when we left for Afghanistan we probably, you know, get-- probably get 100 times.
Scott Pelley: So how unusual was this kind of training?
Mark Owen: It's, yeah, very unusual. I've never had all the mock ups. I've never rehearsed for something for three weeks.
One rehearsal had an audience; the nation's highest ranking officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the head of Special Operations Admiral Eric Olson, and observers from the White House. Another Republican lie put to rest.
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