chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Nov 8, 2012 8:28:10 GMT -5
Romney was for and against a lot of things.
No one could tell what he meant and what was fluff..the ultimate politician attempting not to get specific enough to piss anybody off.
One thing he mentioned...but never really backed as policy or as a position was a proposal to cap Income tax deductions at $25,000 (yes he also threw out other numbers and I dont know if this was individual or joint).
That is the kind of policy that is fair to everyone and tilted to middle income people.
His pupose was to justify lower tax rates...I would love to see the money raised go toward reducing the deficit
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 8, 2012 8:50:25 GMT -5
Wow Charlie, That is the first kind comment about Romney I have seen from a liberal on this board. After this election the Republicans will have to be very mature, to not seek reprisal for the vicious and false attacks on our candidates, as well as ourselves.
Personally, I think the house and senate Republicans should give the Dems every vote they want, while stating for the record that they are doing so against their better judgement. That way, in four years they will have to stand on their record, unable to continue the cycle of blame.
Either way, the good thing about Obama's win is that he does own it now. And if he gets four years to enact his policies unobstructed, if there is still a country as we know it, the Socialist wing of the Democratic party will be relegated to the dust bin of history.
The way I see it, there are now more 'takers' than 'makers', and Conservatives will not win another presidential election until this has been brought to a head.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 9:32:58 GMT -5
Well said Charley but there is one other thing necessary (well, actually an absolute) is to cut the pork barrel spending and the incredible waste of money by just about everyone in government that has the control of a checkbook. Chopping the hand off of greed would probably really help and that is abundant from the bottom to the top. Spending a lot on oversight would create the biggest income the government has seen in a long long time. Romney might have been good at some of that. But he was accident prone and kept shooting himself in the foot. It has happened to all of us just on a smaller scale.
There is good and bad in everything. There is intelligence and stupidity in most everything. If we work together to hang on to the good and get rid of the bad maybe we will come out of this ok. Stupid is not repairable so we need to try to work around that. One thing is an absolute "if we do not work as a team and compromise where it is necessary on BOTH sides" we may as well kiss the greatness of this country good-bye. The best quarterback in the world can not win a game by himself and never will. Jim
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 8, 2012 11:33:00 GMT -5
one other thing necessary (well, actually an absolute) is to cut the pork barrel spending and the incredible waste of money by just about everyone in government that has the control of a checkbook. Chopping the hand off of greed would probably really help and that is abundant from the bottom to the top. Spending a lot on oversight would create the biggest income the government has seen in a long long time.
Never happen. Barry has to keep all his freebee promises. What is free contraception going to cost eh? Just one example.
we may as well kiss the greatness of this country good-bye. Yep!!!!
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 11:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 8, 2012 11:50:33 GMT -5
Maaaaaan, them liberals are going soft now that the election is over. lol
Flat rate tax for everyone from the top down. No more lobbying allowed on Capitol Hill. Every politician held accountable for every single penny he or she spends. Open books to the public for every single government agency, starting at the top down. It must start at the top. If they were to start at the bottom, accountability would never reach the top.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 8, 2012 12:38:44 GMT -5
Romney was for and against a lot of things. No one could tell what he meant and what was fluff..the ultimate politician attempting not to get specific enough to piss anybody off. One thing he mentioned...but never really backed as policy or as a position was a proposal to cap Income tax deductions at $25,000 (yes he also threw out other numbers and I dont know if this was individual or joint). That is the kind of policy that is fair to everyone and tilted to middle income people. His pupose was to justify lower tax rates...I would love to see the money raised go toward reducing the deficit charlie Careful; you go liking Romney too much around these here parts and you'll get branded a Racist. Charlie being there done that to a few of us before. Eh Charlie, still waiting for that apology. But I guess its justified in your mind. Flat tax would be a smart move.
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 13:06:42 GMT -5
Racists voted for Romney. That doesn't mean everyone who voted for Romney was a racist.
And I agree with Charlie, that's a great idea. One that Romney would never have implemented, but so many things spouted out of the man's mouth, who knows what he would have done.
That said, that's a GREAT way to fix income tax disparity.
MY problem with Romney was the man, not the positions. He could SAY anything (as we've all seen), but his record in Massachusetts (where the vote for Obama was a LANDSLIDE), his record as a businessman, all point to CROOKED, DISHONEST, LYING, GREED, and ruination for the people he was entrusted to help.
I'm perfectly willing to consider some of his supposed ideas that were tossed out to get votes. I have nothing against ideas, just the man. And I hope that the few good ideas are taken into consideration by the Administration.
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 13:18:16 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 13:31:40 GMT -5
Don, go read my response on that thread. I reacted to YOUR calling Obama 'der Furher', which is a title that ONLY applied to one man, Hitler.
I have no problem with your faith, I like Harry Reid, the most powerful Mormon in US Politics:).
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 13:38:33 GMT -5
Maaaaaan, them liberals are going soft now that the election is over. lol Flat rate tax for everyone from the top down. No more lobbying allowed on Capitol Hill. Every politician held accountable for every single penny he or she spends. Open books to the public for every single government agency, starting at the top down. It must start at the top. If they were to start at the bottom, accountability would never reach the top. 'Soft' ?? This has been the platform from day 1. STOP the corporate corruption in our government. FAIR taxes for EVERYONE, not just the rich to mooch off the middle class and poor. What? I TOLD you you were reading JUNK.
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 8, 2012 13:56:56 GMT -5
OK Helen. And what about opening the government books to public scrutiny ? I mean all of them, From Obama on down. No more hiding those sweetheart deals made behind locked doors. Maybe if the American people could really see where their tax dollars are being wasted. See the sweetheart deals and returned favors, starting at the top of the crap heap that is Washington politics and sliding down the heap to the bottom, Maybe, just maybe we the people could gain control over our out of touch politicians. Even if it would mean recall elections and booting a few fat cats out of office on both sides of the line.
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 14:08:38 GMT -5
They already are, nearly everything done is on Government websites, every bill, every vote, every position. If you want to know what's going on in Congress, you can watch CSPAN and bore youself to tears for hours on end. We have NEVER had this level of openness in government as we do RIGHT NOW, and the Democrats want MORE openness, because the one hidden area left are HIDDEN campaign contributions (ALL the public ones are on the FEC elections site).
You want to know how tax dollars are spent, you can find it in 5 minutes DIRECTLY from the government sites. I have linked and linked and linked these for you over months. You do not need media filters for what you can read yourself, its' RIGHT THERE and EVERYONE, every single media outlet gets their data from the same sources.
Maybe it's not the politicians, but the laziness of the populace, who refuse to go LOOK at the numbers and the actions our government takes, PREFERRING to read filtered rubbish? Because it's ALL THERE if you look RIGHT NOW.
How many times have I said, GO LOOK AT THE SOURCE over the last few months? I link the sources, and you ignore them, and quote me more filtered or even lying rubbish. Maybe you are more willing to go look at the SOURCE now?
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2012 14:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Nov 8, 2012 14:31:26 GMT -5
No, I really don't. The entire discussion is on the other thread, and not only do I think I was clear, I think I explained it in minute detail. Your trouble reading, and 'stupid argument' is getting more apparent. Do you see that discussion on this thread anywhere?
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Post by lparker on Nov 8, 2012 16:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by lparker on Nov 8, 2012 16:16:48 GMT -5
Also - no baby - no abortion - that keeps everyone except the most Right wing religious conservatives happy. BTW - that "Be fruitful and multiply" that you might have read about was said a few thousand years ago when there weren't as many people around as we have now.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 8, 2012 16:41:58 GMT -5
Parker, I don't really care if people use it. Its there choice. But i do feel that if you want it pay for it. Do you feel the Gov. should pay for your Viagra? They should, one goes with the other. I would cry discrimination if I were you.
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Post by parfive on Nov 8, 2012 17:06:13 GMT -5
What is free contraception going to cost eh? Beats me, Bushman. How much are the free abortions up there? Btw, when you spear twins with the knitting needle, is that one co-pay or two?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 8, 2012 17:17:25 GMT -5
What is free contraception going to cost eh? Beats me, Bushman. How much are the free abortions up there? Btw, when you spear twins with the knitting needle, is that one co-pay or two? What does it cost taxpayers? Since no level of government has released cost figures for abortion, we can only estimate what the direct costs of abortion are. (These estimates exclude any indirect costs, that is, costs for follow-up procedures for immediate complications and side effects, and longer-term treatments for associated post-abortion problems. See Elizabeth Ring-Cassidy and Ian Gentles’ book Women's Health After Abortion: The Medical and Psychological Evidence, The deVeber Institute for Bioethics and Social Research, 2002). We use the figure of $75 million a year, based on an average cost of $800 per abortion for 93,750 abortions. In 2009, the Canadian Institute for Health Information reported 93,755 abortions performed in Canada on Canadian women (the 2010 figure is 64,641, but that excludes Quebec). They admit that this is “probably an underestimate of induced abortions done in the Country” because of reporting problems from some provinces and private clinics. Also, Clinic data for British Columbia is incomplete, and data on abortions performed in an Ontario clinic on Canadian women who are not Ontario residents is not included, so the $75 million figure is already low for the 2009 year. Since hospital abortions constitute more than half of all abortions performed in Canada, we used an average of the $500 cost (at the low end) of a clinic abortion and $1000 (again, at the low end) estimate for hospital abortions. The $800 cost per abortion is in fact a very conservative estimate and the $75 million a year figure is probably an underestimate of how much taxpayers spend on medically unnecessary abortions. There you go Rich, now you can skip your girlfriend to Canada with $800 and a bus ticket. ;D I'm not against abortions. Less welfare mouths to feed. I do believe it should not be forced on any religion against there will.
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