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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 14, 2012 20:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by geoff on Nov 14, 2012 20:26:37 GMT -5
Psh. I've been selling these on Zazzle for years.
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 14, 2012 20:47:20 GMT -5
43 states on board so far. S.S. is 1/3 of the way there, and the petition only hit our newspaper today.
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The Dad_Ohs
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Nov 14, 2012 21:15:20 GMT -5
i signed.... In the military I swore to uphold the decisions of the commander in chief... the president... now that I am a 10 + yr vet of service, I can honestly say I am ashamed for my country that something like this is contemplated, not to mention ... needed!
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unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Nov 14, 2012 21:20:55 GMT -5
I have no recollection of ever seeing an after a presidential election a rush of people to sign petitions to leave the union. Has this ever happened befor?
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 21:23:37 GMT -5
Don't worry Helen. I won't bother myself with the political threads anymore. That doesn't mean I won't read them to see what's being said about me, but I have better and more important things to do, than being involved in a constant pissing match. tick . . . tick . . . tick . . . 18:46 [snork]
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 21:45:30 GMT -5
I might sign *all* your petitions, Jake. Seein’ as how most red states lead the way when it comes to bleeding money out of D.C., it’s probably the easiest way to cut the deficit.
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 14, 2012 22:11:49 GMT -5
*L* Rich, you are so confused. Most all the states are actually red. Only the mostly dependent folks, folks whose votes Obama bought with freebies in the gulldanged crappy big cities are blue. So much for ruling by consensus *L*.....Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 14, 2012 22:17:27 GMT -5
Nothing political about it Rich. You'll find people on both sides of the line signing these petitions.
That being said, we all have 3 types of people on this and other forums.
We have friends who have our backs, and we have theirs.
We have acquaintances whom we will converse with in a friendly manner.
We have enemies. Those we wouldn't cross the sidewalk for, if their lives depended on it.
Isn't it strange how those people identify themselves for us ?
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Post by helens on Nov 15, 2012 0:11:23 GMT -5
LOL!!
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Post by parfive on Nov 15, 2012 1:03:43 GMT -5
UPDATE: Residents In All 50 States File Petitions To Secede From United States
American Samoa and Bagram Air Base expected tomorrow.
McMurdo Station and ISS by Friday, weather permitting.
Bibi Netanyahu sticking with Obama after phone call from Bobby Jindal.
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Post by catmandewe on Nov 15, 2012 1:05:40 GMT -5
It doesn't matter, Obama will never approve them, that would be like getting rid of the milk cow, where are you going to get more milk from?
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 15, 2012 1:13:19 GMT -5
No doubt that Obama won't sign them. But if enough people have guts enough to sign the petitions, it will send a message loud and clear to capitol hill that the people are pissed off with all of the waste and crony politics.
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Post by gingerkid on Nov 15, 2012 7:24:02 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that the majority of people "signing" the state petitions for seceding aren't residents of these states?
Georgia has one of these petitions, too, lol.
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Post by helens on Nov 15, 2012 7:36:48 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that the majority of people "signing" the state petitions for seceding aren't residents of these states? Georgia has one of these petitions, too, lol. Haa... was wondering when people would notice that:). Those are people who wish the state would leave? The big hoopla lately in the news is how much those red states that voted for Romney actually cost the blue states MORE than they pay in taxes... so a lot of blue states want them to just GO AWAY and pay their own bills: www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-the-confederacy-of-takers/2012/11/13/d8adc7ee-2dd4-11e2-beb2-4b4cf5087636_story.htmlPresident Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” They want to secede from the union.
If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them.
The White House, in one of those astro-turf efforts that make people feel warm about small-d democracy, launched a “We the People” program on its Web site last year, allowing Americans to petition their government for a redress of grievances. Any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days is promised a response (though not necessarily a favorable one) from the Obama administration.
And so a large number of patriotic Americans, mostly from states won by Mitt Romney last week, have petitioned the White House to let them secede. They should be careful about what they wish for. It would be excellent financial news for those of us left behind if Obama were to grant a number of the rebel states their wish “to withdraw from the United States and create [their] own NEW government” (the petitions emphasize “new” by capitalizing it).
Red states receive, on average, far more from the federal government in expenditures than they pay in taxes. The balance is the opposite in blue states. The secession petitions, therefore, give the opportunity to create what would be, in a fiscal sense, a far more perfect union.
Among those states with large numbers of petitioners asking out: Louisiana (more than 28,000 signatures at midday Tuesday), which gets about $1.45 in federal largess for every $1 it pays in taxes; Alabama (more than 20,000 signatures), which takes $1.71 for every $1 it puts in; South Carolina (26,000), which takes $1.38 for its dollar; and Missouri (22,000), which takes $1.29 for its dollar.
Since the effort gained attention this week, copycats in all but a few states have joined the petition drive. To be fair, White House officials could refuse the secession petitions of states Obama won, such as New York (which gets only 79 cents on its tax dollar), Michigan (85 cents) and Colorado (79 cents).
What would be left is a Confederacy of Takers, including relatively poor states such as Alaska, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. One of the few would-be Confederacy members that pays more than it receives is Texas, which because of oil money is roughly break-even at 94 cents of benefits for its tax dollar. (The statistics, from an analysis of tax and revenue data by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, were published in 2006, but the broad pattern doesn’t vary much over time.)
Depending on how aggressive a fiscal hawk he wishes to be, Obama could also try to offload onto the Confederacy of the Takers North and South Dakota and Montana ($1.73, $1.49 and $1.58 in benefits, respectively), but this would probably only work if Canada agreed to allow overflight rights for American aircraft to reach the West Coast states of Washington, Oregon and California (88 cents, 97 cents and 79 cents on their tax dollars, respectively).
Possibly, the new United States would need to negotiate certain protectorates in the Confederacy — Austin, New Orleans, South Florida and the like — the way the British did in Hong Kong. Then there is the awkward matter of what the breakaway nation would do to its poor.
But once the handout states left the union (and took with them a proportionate share of the federal debt), the rest of the country could enjoy lower taxes and the high level of government service typical of the Northeast, the Great Lakes and the West Coast.
There would also be non-financial benefits. Tampa’s Central Command, now caught up in the David Petraeus sex scandal, would be the new nation’s problem. And the exit of several Southern representatives from Congress would give Democrats a solid governing majority.
Of course, secession isn’t as easy or as painless as an electronic petition, and Obama couldn’t offer a redress of these petitioners’ grievances even if he wanted to. Nor should he want to: The Union of the Makers would be fiscally healthy but spiritually poor without the Confederacy of the Takers.
Yet would-be rebels from the red states should keep in mind during the coming budget battle that those who are most ardent about cutting government spending tend to come from parts of the country that most rely on it.
There's been calls to make them leave in almost all the papers, no wonder people from other states that pay for them are hoping on their state petitions:). LOL! This one is interesting... the City of Austin: petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-city-austin-texas-withdraw-state-texas-remain-part-united-states/TDD212hQWE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States. Austin Texas continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans. It is entirely feasible for Austin to operate as its own state, within the United States, in the event that Texas is successful in the current bid to secede. It is important for Austin to remain in the union as to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.
We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas.
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Post by gingerkid on Nov 15, 2012 7:47:26 GMT -5
I'm all for booting Congress, lol.
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Post by RockIt2Me on Nov 15, 2012 8:41:31 GMT -5
I chose not to sign. I don't want to be tagged a subversive...
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Post by lparker on Nov 15, 2012 8:56:04 GMT -5
I don't know what you/those people are smoking, sure ain't MJ, probably crack, if you think that a few thousand people signing a petition would result in secession without the other several tens of millions jumping on the bandwagon. Obama can't OK secession and wouldn't anyway...it's against the law.
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Post by fmelvis on Nov 15, 2012 9:14:03 GMT -5
I remember as a kid, not getting my way, and threatening to run away from home.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 15, 2012 9:26:00 GMT -5
I remember as a kid, not getting my way, and threatening to run away from home. You sound like Quebec. Most of Canada wants them to leave. But they just will not go.
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