stonemaster499
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Post by stonemaster499 on Nov 19, 2014 13:07:47 GMT -5
Hi James. I have the 30# model from 1972. We used it dedicated for polishing freeform shapes and cabs 15 years ago. The action on mine is about 75% slower than yours (likely due to the VPM setting you have it selected on) There should be dial at the bottom. These machines are "old school", and demonstrate the "vertical" vibratory design. I have 300# one's made in Brazil that must have knocked off and improved on that Viking design. Apart from the solid steel design; the 2nd best feature is the 1cm thick rubber liner!!!! They last forever, compared to the cheap plastic bowls we go through each year on a T%&mler. Best part is the control you have with the speed dial. You don't have to play with additives in your slurry as much. It's a tank. Today's tumblers cannot adjust and destroy your rocks. The manufacturers want to sell more machines, and remove the variables that make tumbling fun/ Oh, its pain in the butt to clean. I would grab an alternate polish bowl that works. Edward. E Smith created that machine, the Viking line (bought and today sold by Diamond Pacific) along with gemstone "dry polishes" and wrote a great book I just read called "How to tumble polish rocks into gems - Secrets of the pros revealed. 3rd Edition. This book is perfect for Tumbling Experts, (IMO) and written for YOUR machine. The book claims anyone can read it and go... Thanks for the info stonemaster. That book would be a nice addition. Will look for a copy. MrP said I might be missing internal springs. Maybe that is why it is going so fast. Or maybe because it is a small 8 pound barrel. Small may go faster ?? The adjustments are a bit intimidating. Can do practice runs to get it right. Hi James. I presume you have already got the manual Jack posted last week or so? Yes the weight is a big factor - however, why when your unit is on 1 is it flying? You posted pictures showing you have found where to adjust it, so it it appears already turned down... Both sides must be the same. At 1 it should be very slow. Double-check the adjustments. 1 shouldn't be far off balance, or no action. Is it possible the other side is set to 5? I doubt the spring would cause that, but have no experience with spring failure/missing. You are so close, and will figure it out. One other option is to call a small motor repair guy/shop. They charge usually $30/ hour. My Uv-10 went down, and i took it to one of these guys and he stripped it in 2 minutes and removed the motor and lubed it. He needed to remove the counter-balance weight, and seemed to know all about it. A guy like this can adjust your weights, if you cannot figure it out. better option - Call Don at Diamond Pacific. He makes the unit today, is very experienced with your machine. Tell him Robert from Norcross told you to call him for support on your machine.
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Post by MrP on Nov 19, 2014 13:20:12 GMT -5
Hi James. I have the 30# model from 1972. We used it dedicated for polishing freeform shapes and cabs 15 years ago. The action on mine is about 75% slower than yours (likely due to the VPM setting you have it selected on) There should be dial at the bottom. These machines are "old school", and demonstrate the "vertical" vibratory design. I have 300# one's made in Brazil that must have knocked off and improved on that Viking design. Apart from the solid steel design; the 2nd best feature is the 1cm thick rubber liner!!!! They last forever, compared to the cheap plastic bowls we go through each year on a T%&mler. Best part is the control you have with the speed dial. You don't have to play with additives in your slurry as much. It's a tank. Today's tumblers cannot adjust and destroy your rocks. The manufacturers want to sell more machines, and remove the variables that make tumbling fun/ Oh, its pain in the butt to clean. I would grab an alternate polish bowl that works. Edward. E Smith created that machine, the Viking line (bought and today sold by Diamond Pacific) along with gemstone "dry polishes" and wrote a great book I just read called "How to tumble polish rocks into gems - Secrets of the pros revealed. 3rd Edition. This book is perfect for Tumbling Experts, (IMO) and written for YOUR machine. The book claims anyone can read it and go... Thanks for the info stonemaster. That book would be a nice addition. Will look for a copy. MrP said I might be missing internal springs. Maybe that is why it is going so fast. Or maybe because it is a small 8 pound barrel. Small may go faster ?? The adjustments are a bit intimidating. Can do practice runs to get it right. James I am not sure how much effect the inner springs have. They are a very weak spring compared to the other ones. I tried to find where I ordered them from but am not having any luck................MrP
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Post by 39don on Nov 19, 2014 13:44:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the info stonemaster. That book would be a nice addition. Will look for a copy. MrP said I might be missing internal springs. Maybe that is why it is going so fast. Or maybe because it is a small 8 pound barrel. Small may go faster ?? The adjustments are a bit intimidating. Can do practice runs to get it right. James I am not sure how much effect the inner springs have. They are a very weak spring compared to the other ones. I tried to find where I ordered them from but am not having any luck................MrP My old 14lb Viking doesn't have but one set of springs. A possibility could be the larger barrels have the additional springs to compensate for the extra weight. My o'rings last around 2 to 4 weeks and only cost $.30ea maybe I should go to the neoprene on my next purchase. 39don PS, Further checking the neoprene o'rings I don't believe is the answer but maybe Urethane is. The pricing is $13.44ea. I wonder what the life expectancy would be? DD
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 14:23:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the info stonemaster. That book would be a nice addition. Will look for a copy. MrP said I might be missing internal springs. Maybe that is why it is going so fast. Or maybe because it is a small 8 pound barrel. Small may go faster ?? The adjustments are a bit intimidating. Can do practice runs to get it right. Hi James. I presume you have already got the manual Jack posted last week or so? Yes the weight is a big factor - however, why when your unit is on 1 is it flying? You posted pictures showing you have found where to adjust it, so it it appears already turned down... Both sides must be the same. At 1 it should be very slow. Double-check the adjustments. 1 shouldn't be far off balance, or no action. Is it possible the other side is set to 5? I doubt the spring would cause that, but have no experience with spring failure/missing. You are so close, and will figure it out. One other option is to call a small motor repair guy/shop. They charge usually $30/ hour. My Uv-10 went down, and i took it to one of these guys and he stripped it in 2 minutes and removed the motor and lubed it. He needed to remove the counter-balance weight, and seemed to know all about it. A guy like this can adjust your weights, if you cannot figure it out. better option - Call Don at Diamond Pacific. He makes the unit today, is very experienced with your machine. Tell him Robert from Norcross told you to call him for support on your machine. stonemaster: Check out instructions on lower left. says max setting 1.2-8# 1.4-12# 1.6-14# etc. I pondered this adjustment. Kept reading the instructs like supposed to. Says 2.0 for 35 pound hopper !! What is 5 for ? 200 pound hopper ?? LOL It says zero is zero vibration. Sure as heck, the eccentrics were exactly opposed at zero= air plane propeller or 2 bladed fan. And looked at ASI Industries video of 14 pound hopper, and rocks were rolling about same speed as mine. You see where I faux paux ed ? ASI video, need sub-titles, they are speaking British
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 16:18:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the info stonemaster. That book would be a nice addition. Will look for a copy. MrP said I might be missing internal springs. Maybe that is why it is going so fast. Or maybe because it is a small 8 pound barrel. Small may go faster ?? The adjustments are a bit intimidating. Can do practice runs to get it right. James I am not sure how much effect the inner springs have. They are a very weak spring compared to the other ones. I tried to find where I ordered them from but am not having any luck................MrP Thanks for researching the springs MrP. don39 said his 14 model has single springs. I think it is correct. Set at 1.2, it rattled the rocks, backed it off to 1.0 and got what looked like smooth action. 1.4 is max, so it appears to be behaving. Tried it at 0.8 and it did well there too. You must have had to experiment w/your LP barrel. Each barrel seems to dance to it's own drummer.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 16:33:49 GMT -5
James I am not sure how much effect the inner springs have. They are a very weak spring compared to the other ones. I tried to find where I ordered them from but am not having any luck................MrP My old 14lb Viking doesn't have but one set of springs. A possibility could be the larger barrels have the additional springs to compensate for the extra weight. My o'rings last around 2 to 4 weeks and only cost $.30ea maybe I should go to the neoprene on my next purchase. 39don PS, Further checking the neoprene o'rings I don't believe is the answer but maybe Urethane is. The pricing is $13.44ea. I wonder what the life expectancy would be? DD Replaced the old o-rings this morning. They were longer from age probably. I will give you report on how long these Ebay o-rings last. They are nitrile/buna 337 as you suggested. I think 50 cents incl shipping. O-rings not created equally Urethane is costly. May take chances on the ones you suggested. if life is 2-4 weeks were good. Glad you mentioned you have single springs. Dialed it in yesterday and it behaved well. It seems to act as expected, nice gentle action, and really carries the white AO 1000 on the stones. ASI Industries (Andrew) straightened me out. I do have a 14 pound hopper. I thought it was hungrier than 8 pounds when I filled it. He said the 8 pound arrangement is two 4 pounders, and are discontinued. That thing just hums away, seems like it is in no strain. Access w/two wing nuts and on the fly w/no splatter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:42:11 GMT -5
Greetings Ladies & Gents, [jamesp] There are 4 springs encased in rubberized foam on each of my units. The springs are soft and spongy probally only hold about 10kg (22lb) each, but the 4 togther 40kg (88.185lb). Here is the other one. Please check out my Sticky's below. -- Please click images to open larger images in a new Tab, same with everything that is Underlined! I currently have a 3lb Beach (UK), Lortone QT 12/66 (USA) rotaries & 2x Viking Vibrasonic (Diamond Pacific) (USA) virbrating tumblers, with Silicon Carbide grit F80, F220, F600, F1200, with Tin Oxide (1.0 micron) & Aluminum Oxide (1.0 micron & 0.3 micron) polishes. I hail from (The Barony of Seabegs) Bonnybridge, Stirlingshire, U.K, where aliens (15mb) sometimes come for a visit & about 4 miles west from that monstrosity & 7 miles west of this new monstrosity! Sticky's: their contents are resource information 1#: Vendors worldwide (2mb), 2#: How to use the forum, 3#: How to identify rocks & minerals, 4#: Save money on expensive grits & polishes, 5#: Aussie Lapidary Forum: Rock Tumbling Guide!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 18:55:37 GMT -5
Greetings Ladies & Gents, [jamesp] There are 4 springs encased in rubberized foam on each of my units. The springs are soft and spongy probally only hold about 10kg (22lb) each, but the 4 togther 40kg (88.185lb). Here is the other one. Please check out my Sticky's below. -- Please click images to open larger images in a new Tab, same with everything that is Underlined! I currently have a 3lb Beach (UK), Lortone QT 12/66 (USA) rotaries & 2x Viking Vibrasonic (Diamond Pacific) (USA) virbrating tumblers, with Silicon Carbide grit F80, F220, F600, F1200, with Tin Oxide (1.0 micron) & Aluminum Oxide (1.0 micron & 0.3 micron) polishes. I hail from (The Barony of Seabegs) Bonnybridge, Stirlingshire, U.K, where aliens (15mb) sometimes come for a visit & about 4 miles west from that monstrosity & 7 miles west of this new monstrosity! Sticky's: their contents are resource information 1#: Vendors worldwide (2mb), 2#: How to use the forum, 3#: How to identify rocks & minerals, 4#: Save money on expensive grits & polishes, 5#: Aussie Lapidary Forum: Rock Tumbling Guide! Sounds like my springs Andrew. Thanks. And it is a foam like rubber. Red I believe. Most of it has fallen away. What do you set your eccentric for your 14 pounders ?
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Post by MrP on Nov 19, 2014 19:12:46 GMT -5
James
It wasn't too bad to figure out. When I first put the barrel on it wouldn't work at all then I set it to the back a bit and with one weight adjustment it worked like a champ. As I read your explanations on how a vibe works I am beginning to think I got lucky. I sure like how you experiment and explain how things work.............MrP
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 19:19:22 GMT -5
James It wasn't too bad to figure out. When I first put the barrel on it wouldn't work at all then I set it to the back a bit and with one weight adjustment it worked like a champ. As I read your explanations on how a vibe works I am beginning to think I got lucky. I sure like how you experiment and explain how things work.............MrP You have the right machine for experimental barrels. Is your hopper lined ? I was curious if you get metal rubbing off on your rocks at final polish.
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Post by MrP on Nov 19, 2014 19:29:47 GMT -5
James It wasn't too bad to figure out. When I first put the barrel on it wouldn't work at all then I set it to the back a bit and with one weight adjustment it worked like a champ. As I read your explanations on how a vibe works I am beginning to think I got lucky. I sure like how you experiment and explain how things work.............MrP You have the right machine for experimental barrels. Is your hopper lined ? I was curious if you get metal rubbing off on your rocks at final polish. Hopper is not lined. I polish a lot of slabs in this tub so I have about 90% filler in it. Have not seen a problem.................MrP
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Post by MrP on Nov 19, 2014 19:47:29 GMT -5
Found the springs and info. Everybody saying they only had one spring was starting to make me think I was wrong. Sure would have sucked to have made it this far in life only to make a mistake now As you see my springs are blue and the inner ones are very light weight. The small one is called an overload spring. As I said before I bought my unit with the two side by side small tubs but it looks like it is set up for the large tub. Mine had the 4 bolts for holding 2 tubs and they looked like factory studs. I had to take the center 2 bolts-studs out to run the large hopper I made.....................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 19:48:02 GMT -5
Lots of filler makes sense. So off the saw and into 220 ? 400 ? Can you do slabs 5 inches across ?
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Post by jamesp on Nov 19, 2014 20:00:34 GMT -5
Found the springs and info. Everybody saying they only had one spring was starting to make me think I was wrong. Sure would have sucked to have made it this far in life only to make a mistake now As you see my springs are blue and the inner ones are very light weight. The small one is called an overload spring. As I said before I bought my unit with the two side by side small tubs but it looks like it is set up for the large tub. Mine had the 4 bolts for holding 2 tubs and they looked like factory studs. I had to take the center 2 bolts-studs out to run the large hopper I made.....................MrP There they are. That little spring almost looks negligible. Overload springs, hmmm. Well, you are batting 100% in the 'no mistake' dept. Those little springs baffle me. Certainly there was a reason for them. Springs play a big role, can be complicated sizing them. A question for the man w/a bicycle in the back room. They may be a mod after the original. good to see them.
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Post by MrP on Nov 19, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5
Lots of filler makes sense. So off the saw and into 220 ? 400 ? Can you do slabs 5 inches across ? When I do the larger ones I do 3-4 at a time and the smaller ones 8-15 depending on how they seem to roll. Some times they will stay separated and sometimes they bunch up and have to be separated. It is a little time consuming sometimes but it is worth it when they come out good. I think because of the shape of the UV-18 I find that the smaller ones work better in the UV-18 because they stay separated better...............................MrP
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stonemaster499
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Post by stonemaster499 on Nov 19, 2014 20:50:04 GMT -5
stonemaster: Check out instructions on lower left. says max setting 1.2-8# 1.4-12# 1.6-14# etc. I pondered this adjustment. Kept reading the instructs like supposed to. Says 2.0 for 35 pound hopper !! What is 5 for ? 200 pound hopper ?? LOL It says zero is zero vibration. Sure as heck, the eccentrics were exactly opposed at zero= air plane propeller or 2 bladed fan. And looked at ASI Industries video of 14 pound hopper, and rocks were rolling about same speed as mine. You see where I faux paux ed ? ASI video, need sub-titles, they are speaking British I I'm sorry, It was me. I didnt see the 2nd video, and the action looks perfect. Mine was running 1/2 that speed for polishing cabs.
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Post by quartz on Nov 19, 2014 23:24:51 GMT -5
I'm going to give that some serious thought when time permits, be on the lookout for parts. Right now we are up to our, uh, back pockets with paperwork.
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Post by iant on Nov 20, 2014 2:35:59 GMT -5
Enjoying reading about your new toy James. Thanks for showing us the workings. I'm sure you will get a huge amount out of this machine. As others have said it will certainly speed up your production! All the best Ian
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Post by jamesp on Nov 20, 2014 6:10:00 GMT -5
I'm going to give that some serious thought when time permits, be on the lookout for parts. Right now we are up to our, uh, back pockets with paperwork. I think the base is basic. Just a motor and spring support. Don mentioned another parallel shaft to mimic the double shafted motor in the base, great idea. The deck is cast aluminum. I could see it being replaced with 1/8" or 3/16" plate aluminum-I have that laying around. The deck has threaded holes cast and threaded, seems like bolts and nuts would hold things down, so what it the protrude from the top of the deck. The o-rings may be required, and their little pulleys. I think they allow vibration while transmitting rotation. Those pulleys may be custom made ? Maybe 4 cast iron pulleys with 1/2" stock bore about 2-2.5 inches diameter with set screws placed. And then grind one side to create off balance. Springs may be the scary part. But may be the part you final tune with. If they all had the same ID then changing to different ones would be a breeze.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 20, 2014 6:16:30 GMT -5
Enjoying reading about your new toy James. Thanks for showing us the workings. I'm sure you will get a huge amount out of this machine. As others have said it will certainly speed up your production! All the best Ian Well Ian, should have some results pretty soon. At 14 pounds a load it has a big appetite. Plenty of self collected material to feed it. Hopefully some 'picture heavy' posts to follow. Fingers crossed
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