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Mar 5, 2016 12:01:18 GMT -5
Post by beefjello on Mar 5, 2016 12:01:18 GMT -5
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Mar 5, 2016 12:33:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 12:33:00 GMT -5
The tanks and gauges would be.couldnt see the torch.i use a smith torch it has a very small tip.i do use a dissolved oxy/acet.for annealing but one of my buddies uses it to solder when he stops by.but yes it will work.you may need a smaller tip though it looks like the torch in the box is an oxy/acet "welding" torch.may be to aggressive for soldering silver.br]Dave
But the bottles and gauges are the biggest $$$ when starting
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Mar 5, 2016 13:18:02 GMT -5
Post by beefjello on Mar 5, 2016 13:18:02 GMT -5
Great, thanks for the info!
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Mar 5, 2016 13:59:23 GMT -5
Post by ol3m3 on Mar 5, 2016 13:59:23 GMT -5
Put splitter Y's on then you can keep the cutting torch and still add a smith little torch. I purschased a "oo" tip for my cutting torch which is handy for soldering large belt buckles. I also use the cutting torch for melting sterling silver for casting.
If you are going to be doing mostly silver work an air aspirated acetylene torch is one of the best you can get. Rio Grande sells the torch as a silversmith's torch, but you can probably get the same thing from a welding supply house that carries Smith torches, you will want to ask for a Smith Handi Heat torch. The nice thing about the air aspirated torches is that the air fuel mix is pre set for a neutral flame. If you go with a oxy/acetylene torch you will have to adjust the flame each time to get a neutral or reducing flame (more fuel the oxy, if excess of oxygen the oxy can cause problems for you soldering.
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Mar 5, 2016 16:08:31 GMT -5
Post by rockjunquie on Mar 5, 2016 16:08:31 GMT -5
A little more info- the gas will last a long time, but you will go through a lot of oxygen compared to gas. If you get it, take it to a welding supply house and have them check over your gauges and hoses. If they have sat around awhile they may need some work. I use this silver smith acetylene air torch. I didn't want to mess with an oxygen bottle after dealing with it so long doing glass blowing.
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Mar 5, 2016 18:26:53 GMT -5
Post by radio on Mar 5, 2016 18:26:53 GMT -5
Looks to be a plumbers torch. The hoses are bigger and heavier than I would want to mess with. The tanks and gauges could be used, but I would buy a Smith little torch kit. Harbor Freight has oxy bottles for about $80 and an oxy gauge for $30. I use the disposable propane tanks which last a looong time. I can't use acetylene at the shop due the nasty sooty smoke it gives off when lighting. You will need a $40 regulator for the disposable propane bottle also if you go that route
On a small torch, you would be cussing those hoses, guaranteed.
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Mar 5, 2016 19:01:08 GMT -5
Post by beefjello on Mar 5, 2016 19:01:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information everyone. So with the set up in Tela's link all I would need is an acetylene tank, no oxygen right? Looks like the route to go. I really appreciate the tips!
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Mar 6, 2016 1:12:35 GMT -5
Post by quartz on Mar 6, 2016 1:12:35 GMT -5
Another thing to consider before buying the torch set: Are the tanks owned by the seller, or leased? Leased tanks have a deadline date for return, and a daily penalty is assessed for overruns. Written statement by seller a good idea. I've known a couple people that got caught by buying leased tanks that were represented as owned, and had a considerable charge against them. One set went with a building, the other in an estate sale, both resolved w/o penalty having to be paid by purchaser.
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Mar 6, 2016 2:25:40 GMT -5
Post by Rockoonz on Mar 6, 2016 2:25:40 GMT -5
I have used acetylene, but it's a dirty sooty gas and very explosive compared to propane. Do not transport acetylene in an enclosed vehicle. I use a smiths with propane/oxygen and a propane air torch as well. Acetylene in a car trunk...
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Mar 6, 2016 7:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 7:24:23 GMT -5
Everything can be dangerous if you don't follow directions and use common sense. Dave
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Mar 6, 2016 22:48:28 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2016 22:48:28 GMT -5
I have the same rig as rockjunkie it is acetylene/air. Rockoonz is right about acetylene oxygen setups, the acetylene is dirty throwing off lamp black until you get oxygen to it. But with the smith silversmith touch it's gets atmospheric air right away so very clean. Telas link will likely be the best price for it. It's not as hot as propane/air but can still melt anything you want to. Ummm or don't want to:(. One tank no adjusting gas air mix, it's the way to go IMHO
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Mar 7, 2016 13:27:12 GMT -5
Post by ol3m3 on Mar 7, 2016 13:27:12 GMT -5
The torch mentioned by Rockjunquie and described as a plumbers torch in another post is the Handi heat torch from Smith. It is also the same torch that is repackaged for Rio Grande as their Silversmiths torch. In operation it is the same as a Prestolite torch, but is constructed with "o" ring seals which are the standard for welding equipment vs the metal on metal seal of the Prestolite torch which can be prone to damage if handled roughly.
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Mar 7, 2016 13:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by radio on Mar 7, 2016 13:38:18 GMT -5
The torch mentioned by Rockjunquie and described as a plumbers torch in another post is the Handi heat torch from Smith. It is also the same torch that is repackaged for Rio Grande as their Silversmiths torch. In operation it is the same as a Prestolite torch, but is constructed with "o" ring seals which are the standard for welding equipment vs the metal on metal seal of the Prestolite torch which can be prone to damage if handled roughly. I was referring to the torch in the OP's post, not rockjunquies setup
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Mar 8, 2016 12:34:48 GMT -5
Post by ol3m3 on Mar 8, 2016 12:34:48 GMT -5
The torch shown in the original post is an Oxy/Acetylene cutting torch set up, used for cutting, brazing and welding, it would be to big and hot to be of much use to a plumber.
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Mar 10, 2016 7:40:52 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Mar 10, 2016 7:40:52 GMT -5
From a welder's standpoint. By the way, a small jeweler's torch can be used on large welding size tanks. After use: Turn off gas at bottles whatever gas is flowing first. Then open both oxygen and gas valves at torch to take pressure off the regulators to keep the regulators working properly and extend their life. Torch in a confined space or small room: Make darn sure the tank valves and torch valves are turned off. Sleep better at night rolling the whole system just outside under shed. Oil and grease: Oxygen should be kept well away from oil and grease to avoid combustion. Leaking oxygen tanks in oily/greasy enviro is probably most common source of unwanted ignition. Oxygen: @ 2200 psi the tank becomes a rocket. Acetylene at a safer 250 psi. Regardless, always keep bottles safely supported. Never let them fall and knock the valve off. Further safety tips: www.lucasmilhaupt.com/en-US/about/blog/2013/5/oxy-acetylene-torch-safetyBottle sizes:
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Mar 10, 2016 8:19:20 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Mar 10, 2016 8:19:20 GMT -5
Good safety post James. Maybe another reason for a single gas system like acetylene and air? Esp. with people using B tanks in their home studio's (like me). Used properly all these systems are safe. BTW it is totally insurance legal to have B tanks or an oxy acet setup in your house. (Disclaimer: With my insurance in my province, in Canada).
Our club uses Oxy/propane I use Acetylene/air my buddy uses both acet/oxy and acet/air (Never turns on the acet/oxy system (to dirty) anyone want to buy a set LOL.)
Again good post.
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Mar 10, 2016 17:37:13 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Mar 10, 2016 17:37:13 GMT -5
Man I hate gases Tom. A little tank holds a lot of energy due to pressure. I average a 70 cu.ft. acetylene and two 150 cu.ft. oxys every several months. Not so much for a welder. Every once in a while I forget to close the tank valve and it can sure leak out the torch valve or a hole or crack in the hose. Apparently a rodent liked my rubber hose and chewed a hole in it. Left tank valve open and it unloaded the whole tank thru the hole in the hose. Degenerate mind-outside it goes and no chances for mistakes.
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Mar 10, 2016 19:33:45 GMT -5
Post by beefjello on Mar 10, 2016 19:33:45 GMT -5
Thanks for all the education folks. I decided on a Smith's little torch, the propane/oxygen set up. Gonna try my hand at this
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Mar 10, 2016 22:24:08 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Mar 10, 2016 22:24:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the education folks. I decided on a Smith's little torch, the propane/oxygen set up. Gonna try my hand at this You will definitely like it. Here is a thought for you. Get a bigger O2 tank you will need it, and just use the little blue propane bottles from Walmart or wherever. That how our club does it and the propane goes forever. Having used both I would still get the acetylene air torch. No adjusting. My two cents worth
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Post by Tom on Mar 10, 2016 22:27:34 GMT -5
Man I hate gases Tom. A little tank holds a lot of energy due to pressure. I average a 70 cu.ft. acetylene and two 150 cu.ft. oxys every several months. Not so much for a welder. Every once in a while I forget to close the tank valve and it can sure leak out the torch valve or a hole or crack in the hose. Apparently a rodent liked my rubber hose and chewed a hole in it. Left tank valve open and it unloaded the whole tank thru the hole in the hose. Degenerate mind-outside it goes and no chances for mistakes. I have left mine on before. Not something I try to do. No rodents to chew hoses though. I am sure my wife has more explosive s**t in her bathroom than I have in my shop LOL
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