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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 7, 2017 15:29:13 GMT -5
Ha ha, it ain't built yet!
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Post by wampidytoo on Sept 7, 2017 15:46:56 GMT -5
I agree to a certain extent ... I survived Loma Preita in '89. Where we differ is when (not if ... when) the Cascadia subduction zone breaks unleashing up to a magnitude 10 on the pacific northwest. This will be the one that changes the face of the human race living in the western hemisphere. Hundreds of thousands (millions?) will die in the initial 100' tsunami but the starvation element - and the ensuing chaos of panic as what is left of cities like Portland (elev. 50') empty their populations upon the surrounding states. Edit to add: The Really Big One Besides the starvation and chaos factors, don't forget the disease that is sure to follow. Wondering how TX will be faring after Harvey? Others after Irma rips through?
Tommy , which do you think will happen first? The Cascadia subduction zone shearing (followed by massive quakes and tsunami), or massive failure of the Yellowstone supervolcano? One thing you can be sure of, Mother Nature can be a royal b**ch!
Don't leave out the piece of Hawaiian island that is hanging out over nothing but water and could fall off any day now. Been a while so don't remember the pacifics but sounded like it will make the quake thing look like a christmas party almost full circle on the ring of fire. Left coasters have three bangers hanging over their high water mark. Better rocks higher up if you get my drift. Jim
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Post by captbob on Sept 7, 2017 16:09:40 GMT -5
Went out and did some runnin' around. Silliness abounds!
ALL gas stations out of gas. And Irma isn't even supposed to come here.
Went B-day shopping at the mall for W.U. Place is like a ghost town except all the little thugs out of school. Think I made the sales lady at Dillards day.
Found a grocery store (went to 4!) with the greens I need for the lizard. Good thing we have two full size refrigerators in our kitchen! One is for the lizard and my beer. Both packed to the gills.
Freezing tupperwares of water for block ice should the power company decide to go full retard on me again and shut the power off. Big coolers full of ice, not sure how long it will last (as ice), but ice is cheap and I can make more.
Saw ONE house in my neighborhood with windows boarded up. They would mostly all be if we were in the threat area. I can do ours in an afternoon if necessary.
Not sure how I could be any more ready for something that isn't supposed to happen. Good to be a prepper. Guess it's the Boy Scout in me ... Be Prepared
Reckon it's time to sit back and watch the crazies on the TV news.
wonder if I should get more beer!
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Post by captbob on Sept 7, 2017 16:27:35 GMT -5
A side effect of the actions of whatever genius decided to close down the beaches is that ALL the hotels/motels on the beaches (LOTS of them, this is a tourist area) have to kick everyone out. So folks that evacuated the east coast and came over here or came up from down further south now have no where to stay. Everything north of inland from here is already booked solid.
So now thousands (easily) are without shelter or anywhere to go within a reasonable distance.
pure genius ...
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Post by wampidytoo on Sept 7, 2017 16:34:50 GMT -5
Houston got caught with their pants at their knees because things changed up at the last minute leaving people no choice but stay. Too many people to rescue and rescuers dying trying to save people. Tragic. And at least one of the rescuers was a dreamer.
Florida is getting caught with their pants up and zipped. The people that can leave and don't put a huge amount of strain on the rescuers trying to save the people that couldn't leave.
Need a way to put a sign on people needing rescued that says "I could have left but didn't, go save someone else". Russian roulette can only be beat five times.
But hey, what do I know? Just a mountain dude trying to apply a little common sense. Jim
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Post by captbob on Sept 7, 2017 18:16:17 GMT -5
So wife unit is finally on the way home and phoned saying the beach communities are empty.
Saw on local news that the two largest cruise ship ports are in south Florida. Well, a few ships came back early to beat the storm and unload passengers. So... passengers go to the airport(s) to go home and everything is already booked going out. Those still flying. Now thousands of folks that just paid for a fun get-away are stuck in airports with no way out/home. No, there are NO rental cars available either. One guy on the news bought a new car just to have a way out.
This is gonna be a colossal fuster cluck for a LOT of people.
Told wife on the phone that if she sees any hotties on the way home that need ...
that's when she hung up.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 7, 2017 19:41:58 GMT -5
When large populations are threatened things get real complicated. Even when knowing an impact site 2-4 days in advance. No easy solutions, people are not educated in handling such and infrastructure is not in place. Not good.
Miami and Fort Lauderdale is a long stretch of dense population built in the worse possible place. 80 years ago native Floridians considered it ludicrous to build close to the beach. My Grandfather was offered several miles of beach front on Amelia Island. At a really cheap price. He rejected the offer. It was considered wasteland.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 7, 2017 20:03:40 GMT -5
This subject should anger tax payers. I believe the hurricanes of 2004 and 2005 changed the liberal allowance of building on beachfront. Time passes and developers go back to paying off small governments. beachfront properties back in production. Miami and Miami Beach is particularly vulnerable to Irma. Well, you and I don't want to foot the tax bill to repair the mansions of the rich. I have heard that many wealthy people build on the beach and have no insurance. If the building washes away they just consider it a loss. Article dated 2002 in heyday of a building boom. Developers with upper hand: JUL 29, 2002 FLORIDA LOSES EROSION GAME AS BEACHFRONT PROPERTY RIGHTS RULE For 24 years, Florida permitted billions of dollars of luxury homes and condominiums on critically eroding shores, disregarding its own scientific findings. Thousands of residents have invested in homes seaward of a state warning line. And U.S. taxpayers are indebted for hundreds of millions more to pump sand onto beaches to save the buildings and their owners' lifestyles. The cost: More than $1 million per mile of sand. Every year, the state and its residents have more to lose: * The Florida Department of Environmental Protection rarely turns down an application to build at the beach. Just 52 have been denied, while 4,913 homes, hotels, condominiums and other habitable buildings have been approved on land subject to erosion. More than half those structures now stand within state-designated "critical erosion" zones. Those areas qualify for beach-restoration money from local, state and federal taxpayers. * Florida routinely grants permits for houses built on sand that engineers say will be awash before owners can retire the mortgages. The permitting program is blind to erosion rates and subsequent costs to taxpayers. * Homebuyers often are unaware of their gamble. Property sellers and real-estate agents are not required to disclose erosion rates, only that a property is seaward of the Coastal Construction Control Line. * News that taxpayers will rebuild a beach raises property values and encourages development, increasing dependence on imported sand. Three luxury condominium towers followed a $5 million beach restoration on Marco Island in southwest Florida the next year, and more buildings have gone up every year since, even though the beach still is vulnerable to erosion. * State officials and engineers follow a "no-retreat" strategy that has increased risk. For example, Panama City Beach homes destroyed in Hurricane Opal were rebuilt, bigger and more luxurious, on the same footprints -- even though dunes that once buffered storms are gone and the water line has marched inland. Read more: www.wwdmag.com/florida-loses-erosion-game-beachfront-property-rights-rule
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Post by jamesp on Sept 7, 2017 20:24:15 GMT -5
Ivan was a scary hurricane. Created 90 foot waves out in the ocean. Tall as the Statue of Libery's breasts. Wave height sensor technology important in the Gulf due to oil rigs. Landfall at a strong Cat 3. Keep in mind a Cat 3 does 50 units damage and a Cat 4 does 250 units damage. Cat 5 probably unchartered territory on modern buildings. Broke a record for most land tornadoes generated. Interesting note on Ivan's giant waves: "The researchers estimated the wave heights using water pressure data from undersea sensors, placed in the Gulf of Mexico for a separate project. The tallest measured wave was 91 feet (28 meters) but researchers believe they likely missed even larger waves because their sensors shut down before the most powerful region of the storm passed over them. At it's peak intensity, Hurricane Ivan was a Category Five storm—the most powerful—with sustained winds of 161 miles an hour (259 kilometers an hour). It struck the Gulf Coast on September 15 with 130 mile an hour (209 kilometer an hour) winds and was directly responsible for 92 deaths. But the extreme waves disintegrated in the choppy waters of the Gulf of Mexico, never making landfall." Damage along beach alex-alexcarol.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/perdido-key-hurricane-ivan.html
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Post by captbob on Sept 7, 2017 22:23:37 GMT -5
Well this slight westward shift in the track makes things more interesting!
Looks like Irma is gonna pop in and visit you James once she has her way with Florida.
See what tomorrow brings. Due here Sunday.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 7, 2017 22:27:00 GMT -5
Well this slight westward shift in the track makes things more interesting! Looks like Irma is gonna pop in and visit you James once she has her way with Florida. See what tomorrow brings. Due here Sunday. Watching.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 0:28:07 GMT -5
Yeah more beer. If you lose city water, you can use extra beer to flush toilets. True story, bourbon Street bars did this after Katrina.
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Post by parfive on Sept 8, 2017 0:42:29 GMT -5
At her age, Libertas’ boobs ~240’ above sea level.
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Post by captbob on Sept 8, 2017 5:38:07 GMT -5
Wonder what the weather is like in Zapata
just wonderin' ...
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Post by jamesp on Sept 8, 2017 6:52:27 GMT -5
Well this slight westward shift in the track makes things more interesting! Looks like Irma is gonna pop in and visit you James once she has her way with Florida. See what tomorrow brings. Due here Sunday. That thing is drawing a bead on us Bob. They are talking Cat 2 Cat 3 as far up as your area, those big ones have so much momentum. Darn thing is so wide it can easily straddle peninsular Florida and keep picking energy up off the water to feed the eye and cut a trail up the peninsula. Concerned about you. My buildings high and dry, farm will get beat up from flooding, trees down. Small beans. You going to put up storm windows ? Looking forward to coral collecting after 20 foot deep sand overburden washes away to expose the Miocene. Kidding. The coral rivers don't flood in a fashion to expose more coral. Once the water breaches the banks of the river the water flows thru the floodplain, turns into a giant slow flowing lake. Big waves off of Tampa, Honeymoon Island, Anclote Key will darn sure expose coral.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 8, 2017 6:59:00 GMT -5
Wonder what the weather is like in Zapata just wonderin' ... Harvey dumped almost no rain on Zapata. Bet txrockhunter's Jacinto river will have a new load of agates. Zapata peaceful and traffic free. You ready ?
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Post by jamesp on Sept 8, 2017 7:02:10 GMT -5
Here is a comparison of Andrew and Irma. Irma dwarfs. Intheswamp. Katrina hit east of New Orleans. New Orleans escaped high wind eye strike. The wind damage was just east in much lower populated Mississippi. This situation different. Large urban area getting direct eye strike.
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Post by Intheswamp on Sept 8, 2017 7:07:52 GMT -5
James, that track looks like it's gonna pass over your house. Do me a favor, keep Irma in Georgia,...Governor EX-Governor Bentley said you can keep those rocks if you keep Irma.
If Irma gets into the warm, relaxing waters of the Gulf, well, we know how that story goes...
But, for a trip down memory lane for south Florida, a short 25th Anniversary of Hurricane Andrew reminder from just a couple of weeks ago...
And, if you have insomnia or something, here is a two-our Andrew video...before, during, and after. Interesting aspect presented at about 1h:12m into the video...agriculture impact.
Best wishes to all in Irma's path and prayers for all.
Ed
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Post by jamesp on Sept 8, 2017 7:25:52 GMT -5
James, that track looks like it's gonna pass over your house. Do me a favor, keep Irma in Georgia,... Governor EX-Governor Bentley said you can keep those rocks if you keep Irma. If Irma gets into the warm, relaxing waters of the Gulf, well, we know how that story goes... But, for a trip down memory lane for south Florida, a short 25th Anniversary of Hurricane Andrew reminder from just a couple of weeks ago... And, if you have insomnia or something, here is a two-our Andrew video...before, during, and after. Interesting aspect presented at about 1h:12m into the video...agriculture impact. Best wishes to all in Irma's path and prayers for all. Ed Looks like 60 MPH here. Had a few 50 MPH storms recently. I am down in a hole, 4 small creeks, high land surrounding. Most high winds skip over. The rain is biggest threat. Looks like Georgia is going to take the mainland hit, Alabama safe. Sit back and relax Ed.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 8, 2017 7:30:25 GMT -5
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