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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 28, 2022 9:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 28, 2022 9:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by hypodactylus on Nov 28, 2022 11:34:07 GMT -5
Very nice! I especially like this one:  |
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Post by pebblesky on Nov 28, 2022 11:44:30 GMT -5
These cobbles are stunning looking!
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 28, 2022 12:10:08 GMT -5
jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry
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Post by aDave on Nov 28, 2022 12:16:16 GMT -5
jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry Even though you asked jasoninsd, I'll jump in. Perhaps you know differently by appearance, but when I got these some years ago, I was informed that they were from the San Jacinto River area...at least that's what I recall. The member I got them from used to post quite a few photos of the stuff. |
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 28, 2022 13:05:01 GMT -5
jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry Even though you asked jasoninsd , I'll jump in. Perhaps you know differently by appearance, but when I got these some years ago, I was informed that they were from the San Jacinto River area...at least that's what I recall. The member I got them from used to post quite a few photos of the stuff. Well I am no expert on all things agate but the "white skin" sure appears to be from the Rio Grande(South Texas Border). Have not seen many of the "white skin" or the variety come out of the San Jacinto(just north of Houston). If those were from the local San Jacinto River I would have my buckets loaded and headed out to go searching for something I missed!!! jamesp , any thoughts? |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 28, 2022 19:52:37 GMT -5
Wow! Very nice!  Thanks Robin!  Now...if the weather would just let me jump back on the trim saw one of these days, we'd see how cabs come out of these! LOL Very nice! I especially like this one: Thank you so much! That one is my favorite of the bunch...but there was only ONE cut from that piece. The cobble was a large flat circular piece...so I could only get one slab out of it! Dangit! LOL These cobbles are stunning looking! Thanks PS! I really think the moss in these rivals almost any of the moss agates out there!  jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry Thanks for chiming in on this Henry! I'll defer to Dave's comment below... I will say I thought they had a very similar appearance to the cobble I got from jamesp which did come from the Rio Grande...but I had no idea what the difference between the cobble from the Rio or San Jacinto. jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry Even though you asked jasoninsd , I'll jump in. Perhaps you know differently by appearance, but when I got these some years ago, I was informed that they were from the San Jacinto River area...at least that's what I recall. The member I got them from used to post quite a few photos of the stuff. I was going to ask you if it was from the San Jacinto in Texas...or the one in California. I assumed it was from the one in Texas... Even though you asked jasoninsd , I'll jump in. Perhaps you know differently by appearance, but when I got these some years ago, I was informed that they were from the San Jacinto River area...at least that's what I recall. The member I got them from used to post quite a few photos of the stuff. Well I am no expert on all things agate but the "white skin" sure appears to be from the Rio Grande(South Texas Border). Have not seen many of the "white skin" or the variety come out of the San Jacinto(just north of Houston). If those were from the local San Jacinto River I would have my buckets loaded and headed out to go searching for something I missed!!! jamesp , any thoughts? I did look up another thread with a bunch of examples of San Jacinto River Cobble...and I see what you're saying about it not having that "white skin". |
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Post by aDave on Nov 28, 2022 20:28:17 GMT -5
Even though you asked jasoninsd , I'll jump in. Perhaps you know differently by appearance, but when I got these some years ago, I was informed that they were from the San Jacinto River area...at least that's what I recall. The member I got them from used to post quite a few photos of the stuff. Well I am no expert on all things agate but the "white skin" sure appears to be from the Rio Grande(South Texas Border). Have not seen many of the "white skin" or the variety come out of the San Jacinto(just north of Houston). If those were from the local San Jacinto River I would have my buckets loaded and headed out to go searching for something I missed!!! jamesp , any thoughts? Interesting, and in looking at past threads, I see what you mean about the rind. So, maybe jasoninsd can help clarify. Jason, there were two boxes that held cobbles. The ones that tended to be a bit more on the smaller side (in the one box with the Owyhee) came from the member who posted quite a bit of photos of his finds ( txrockhunter), so I can definitely say those came from him...and that he ID'd them as being from the San Jacinto River (TX). If I recall correctly, even that material had somewhat of a white rind on it. Is that correct? I actually don't remember seeing any rocks that looked as pristine on the outside as any of Jeremy's did in his photos. The other larger ones, I can't say for sure, but I don't recall them being ID'd as coming from the Rio Grande. I think I'd have remembered that, as I tried for years to separate some from jamesp 's pile. Then again, I could be wrong, and I was simply a lucky recipient of some mixed Tx material. Can that rind be scrubbed off at all? I looked at some of Jeremy's past threads, and some of the rocks appear to have *had* a rind, but they weren't completely covered in it. Thanks for bringing it up. |
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Post by oldschoolrocker on Nov 28, 2022 20:36:35 GMT -5
I've collected from san jacinto river for several years now and would personally say those are rio grande cobbles. I have indeed found very nice moss agate from San Jacinto river but not normally of much size. If san Jacinto cobbles then I need to get better at collecting!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 28, 2022 20:42:56 GMT -5
Well I am no expert on all things agate but the "white skin" sure appears to be from the Rio Grande(South Texas Border). Have not seen many of the "white skin" or the variety come out of the San Jacinto(just north of Houston). If those were from the local San Jacinto River I would have my buckets loaded and headed out to go searching for something I missed!!! jamesp , any thoughts? Interesting, and in looking at past threads, I see what you mean about the rind. So, maybe jasoninsd can help clarify. Jason, there were two boxes that held cobbles. The ones that tended to be a bit more on the smaller side (in the one box with the Owyhee) came from the member who posted quite a bit of photos of his finds ( txrockhunter), so I can definitely say those came from him...and that he ID'd them as being from the San Jacinto River (TX). If I recall correctly, even that material had somewhat of a white rind on it. Is that correct? I actually don't remember seeing any rocks that looked as pristine on the outside as any of Jeremy's did in his photos. The other larger ones, I can't say for sure, but I don't recall them being ID'd as coming from the Rio Grande. I think I'd have remembered that, as I tried for years to separate some from jamesp 's pile. Then again, I could be wrong, and I was simply a lucky recipient of some mixed Tx material. Can that rind be scrubbed off at all? I looked at some of Jeremy's past threads, and some of the rocks appear to have *had* a rind, but they weren't completely covered in it. Thanks for bringing it up. Good point on the two different boxes! (Duh! Mental flatulatuon on my part! LOL) I'm attaching pictures of the cobble in that second box. None of these cuts are from that second box . I've collected from san jacinto river for several years now and would personally say those are rio grande cobbles. I have indeed found very nice moss agate from San Jacinto river but not normally of much size. If san Jacinto cobbles then I need to get better at collecting! Thanks for chiming in! Here are some pics of what MAY in fact be the San Jacinto River Cobble...dry and wet pics.   |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 28, 2022 20:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by aDave on Nov 28, 2022 21:25:30 GMT -5
I've collected from san jacinto river for several years now and would personally say those are rio grande cobbles. I have indeed found very nice moss agate from San Jacinto river but not normally of much size. If san Jacinto cobbles then I need to get better at collecting! Well, based upon the photos that jasoninsd provided, and the explanation, what he cut came from Jeremy txrockhunter who sent those to me. I know we're not looking to get into an argument, but I recall my discussions with Jeremy quite distinctly, and he specifically told me he was sending me San Jacinto material. In fact, I don't think he ever collected Rios, but I could be wrong. The larger stuff in the photos, *may* still be in question...but we'll see. Thanks for jumping in. |
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Post by oldschoolrocker on Nov 29, 2022 13:20:03 GMT -5
Interesting, and in looking at past threads, I see what you mean about the rind. So, maybe jasoninsd can help clarify. Jason, there were two boxes that held cobbles. The ones that tended to be a bit more on the smaller side (in the one box with the Owyhee) came from the member who posted quite a bit of photos of his finds ( txrockhunter), so I can definitely say those came from him...and that he ID'd them as being from the San Jacinto River (TX). If I recall correctly, even that material had somewhat of a white rind on it. Is that correct? I actually don't remember seeing any rocks that looked as pristine on the outside as any of Jeremy's did in his photos. The other larger ones, I can't say for sure, but I don't recall them being ID'd as coming from the Rio Grande. I think I'd have remembered that, as I tried for years to separate some from jamesp 's pile.   Then again, I could be wrong, and I was simply a lucky recipient of some mixed Tx material. Can that rind be scrubbed off at all? I looked at some of Jeremy's past threads, and some of the rocks appear to have *had* a rind, but they weren't completely covered in it. Thanks for bringing it up. Good point on the two different boxes! (Duh! Mental flatulatuon on my part! LOL) I'm attaching pictures of the cobble in that second box. None of these cuts are from that second box . I've collected from san jacinto river for several years now and would personally say those are rio grande cobbles. I have indeed found very nice moss agate from San Jacinto river but not normally of much size. If san Jacinto cobbles then I need to get better at collecting! Thanks for chiming in! Here are some pics of what MAY in fact be the San Jacinto River Cobble...dry and wet pics. The last 2 photos of cobbles in box are definitely san Jacinto river material. I can probably recreate that photo with what I have at home from there. I'm 100% certain that is the San Jacinto box. The other cobbles I don't know where rhey are from but probably west Texas |
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Post by oldschoolrocker on Nov 29, 2022 13:21:29 GMT -5
Sweet material but not anything normally collected at san Jacinto river. Definitely looks like west Texas stuff |
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Post by oldschoolrocker on Nov 29, 2022 13:39:31 GMT -5
I've collected from san jacinto river for several years now and would personally say those are rio grande cobbles. I have indeed found very nice moss agate from San Jacinto river but not normally of much size. If san Jacinto cobbles then I need to get better at collecting! Well, based upon the photos that jasoninsd provided, and the explanation, what he cut came from Jeremy txrockhunter who sent those to me. I know we're not looking to get into an argument, but I recall my discussions with Jeremy quite distinctly, and he specifically told me he was sending me San Jacinto material. In fact, I don't think he ever collected Rios, but I could be wrong. The larger stuff in the photos, *may* still be in question...but we'll see. Thanks for jumping in. Didn't you state you sent 2 boxes of cobbles with one box being from txrockhunter and the other just texas cobbles? The box jasoninsd hasn't cut into yet is from san jacinto river. The box of cobbles he has started cutting from already I am positive aren't from San jacinto river. Definitely wasn't looking to argue with anyone. Simply trying to help ID material that I've cut and collected for years. I'm positive if txrockhunter was still active here he would agree on which box of material came from san jacinto river. But can call it whatever you like... |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 29, 2022 17:08:21 GMT -5
Good point on the two different boxes! (Duh! Mental flatulatuon on my part! LOL) I'm attaching pictures of the cobble in that second box. None of these cuts are from that second box . Thanks for chiming in! Here are some pics of what MAY in fact be the San Jacinto River Cobble...dry and wet pics. The last 2 photos of cobbles in box are definitely san Jacinto river material. I can probably recreate that photo with what I have at home from there. I'm 100% certain that is the San Jacinto box. The other cobbles I don't know where rhey are from but probably west Texas Thank you SO much for chiming in again! I'll explain what I think happened below in my last reply... Sweet material but not anything normally collected at san Jacinto river. Definitely looks like west Texas stuff It definitely reminds me of the Rio Grande Cobble jamesp sent me awhile back... Well, based upon the photos that jasoninsd provided, and the explanation, what he cut came from Jeremy txrockhunter who sent those to me. I know we're not looking to get into an argument, but I recall my discussions with Jeremy quite distinctly, and he specifically told me he was sending me San Jacinto material. In fact, I don't think he ever collected Rios, but I could be wrong. The larger stuff in the photos, *may* still be in question...but we'll see. Thanks for jumping in. Didn't you state you sent 2 boxes of cobbles with one box being from txrockhunter and the other just texas cobbles? The box jasoninsd hasn't cut into yet is from san jacinto river. The box of cobbles he has started cutting from already I am positive aren't from San jacinto river. Definitely wasn't looking to argue with anyone. Simply trying to help ID material that I've cut and collected for years. I'm positive if txrockhunter was still active here he would agree on which box of material came from san jacinto river. But can call it whatever you like... So here's what happened...and it's my fault. I actually got three boxes of material. When I got them, I put them on my workbench (surprisingly there was room! LOL)...and started ripping into them like a kid at Christmas! I was pulling material out of all three boxes and "sorting" according to what I thought should go with what. I think the problem came in where aDave knew what material was with other material in the boxes...but because I unloaded them, I no longer knew what was in which box. I was actually talking with Dave on the phone earlier about this (and other things! LOL). Both of us were hoping no one was taking anything that was being said in this thread as "argumentative" by any means. I think a lot of what was being said was more or less "typing out loud" to try and figure this out! LOL - The wealth of knowledge the members on this forum have is amazing! And the willingness to share that knowledge is SO much appreciated. Thank you SO much for being willing to chime in with yours. (Oh...and I totally remember when you posted your thread on the San Jacinto Cobble. It was the first time I think I saw river cobble...and I was in awe of the variety and overall look of the material!)  |
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 29, 2022 18:27:27 GMT -5
The last 2 photos of cobbles in box are definitely san Jacinto river material. I can probably recreate that photo with what I have at home from there. I'm 100% certain that is the San Jacinto box. The other cobbles I don't know where rhey are from but probably west Texas Thank you SO much for chiming in again! I'll explain what I think happened below in my last reply... Sweet material but not anything normally collected at san Jacinto river. Definitely looks like west Texas stuff It definitely reminds me of the Rio Grande Cobble jamesp sent me awhile back... Didn't you state you sent 2 boxes of cobbles with one box being from txrockhunter and the other just texas cobbles? The box jasoninsd hasn't cut into yet is from san jacinto river. The box of cobbles he has started cutting from already I am positive aren't from San jacinto river. Definitely wasn't looking to argue with anyone. Simply trying to help ID material that I've cut and collected for years. I'm positive if txrockhunter was still active here he would agree on which box of material came from san jacinto river. But can call it whatever you like... So here's what happened...and it's my fault. I actually got three boxes of material. When I got them, I put them on my workbench (surprisingly there was room! LOL)...and started ripping into them like a kid at Christmas! I was pulling material out of all three boxes and "sorting" according to what I thought should go with what. I think the problem came in where aDave knew what material was with other material in the boxes...but because I unloaded them, I no longer knew what was in which box. I was actually talking with Dave on the phone earlier about this (and other things! LOL). Both of us were hoping no one was taking anything that was being said in this thread as "argumentative" by any means. I think a lot of what was being said was more or less "typing out loud" to try and figure this out! LOL - The wealth of knowledge the members on this forum have is amazing! And the willingness to share that knowledge is SO much appreciated. Thank you SO much for being willing to chime in with yours. (Oh...and I totally remember when you posted your thread on the San Jacinto Cobble. It was the first time I think I saw river cobble...and I was in awe of the variety and overall look of the material!) I looked back at a couple of Jeremy's original posts about the San Jacinto material he had collected and I remember being amazed at what he had found. It was my first impression that he had mis-named the location. I did go collect there with him later and did find a couple of small pieces myself of agate that in my mind, should not have been there. Unfortunately in all this time I have not been back. Heck, there may well be a spot somewhere on the San Jacinto with larger white skinned agate that anyone has yet to find. Maybe one of our intrepid river explorers could find the spot!!! It also points out the old problem that some agate is just not easy to identify the location without first hand knowledge from the collector. Once material gets passed on, bought and sold a couple of times the source can get obscured. Moss Agate is particularly susceptible to this happening. I have seen several post over the years of moss agate and first thought is West Texas and then to discover it's far removed from there. I have seen the Calif moss, Arizona Moss, and Oregon Moss etc, etc that all look identical to me. I am sure an active collector in those areas could see some identifying characteristic in the rough that would pinpoint the location. Once cut polished into a pendant a lot of those characteristics are lost For me the origin is nice to know but it's really about how nice it looks. I don't necessarily sell "location" I try and sell attractive pieces. That's what most of the folks who buy from me are interested in. The pieces in your original post are very attractive and I certainly would not throw them in the erosion control bucket wherever they were from. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 29, 2022 19:46:21 GMT -5
Thank you SO much for chiming in again! I'll explain what I think happened below in my last reply... It definitely reminds me of the Rio Grande Cobble jamesp sent me awhile back... So here's what happened...and it's my fault. I actually got three boxes of material. When I got them, I put them on my workbench (surprisingly there was room! LOL)...and started ripping into them like a kid at Christmas! I was pulling material out of all three boxes and "sorting" according to what I thought should go with what. I think the problem came in where aDave knew what material was with other material in the boxes...but because I unloaded them, I no longer knew what was in which box. I was actually talking with Dave on the phone earlier about this (and other things! LOL). Both of us were hoping no one was taking anything that was being said in this thread as "argumentative" by any means. I think a lot of what was being said was more or less "typing out loud" to try and figure this out! LOL - The wealth of knowledge the members on this forum have is amazing! And the willingness to share that knowledge is SO much appreciated. Thank you SO much for being willing to chime in with yours. (Oh...and I totally remember when you posted your thread on the San Jacinto Cobble. It was the first time I think I saw river cobble...and I was in awe of the variety and overall look of the material!) I looked back at a couple of Jeremy's original posts about the San Jacinto material he had collected and I remember being amazed at what he had found. It was my first impression that he had mis-named the location. I did go collect there with him later and did find a couple of small pieces myself of agate that in my mind, should not have been there. Unfortunately in all this time I have not been back. Heck, there may well be a spot somewhere on the San Jacinto with larger white skinned agate that anyone has yet to find. Maybe one of our intrepid river explorers could find the spot!!! It also points out the old problem that some agate is just not easy to identify the location without first hand knowledge from the collector. Once material gets passed on, bought and sold a couple of times the source can get obscured. Moss Agate is particularly susceptible to this happening. I have seen several post over the years of moss agate and first thought is West Texas and then to discover it's far removed from there. I have seen the Calif moss, Arizona Moss, and Oregon Moss etc, etc that all look identical to me. I am sure an active collector in those areas could see some identifying characteristic in the rough that would pinpoint the location. Once cut polished into a pendant a lot of those characteristics are lost For me the origin is nice to know but it's really about how nice it looks. I don't necessarily sell "location" I try and sell attractive pieces. That's what most of the folks who buy from me are interested in. The pieces in your original post are very attractive and I certainly would not throw them in the erosion control bucket wherever they were from. Thanks for taking the time to post this Henry! I have to completely agree with you with regards to wanting to know the "exact location" of material...I really like knowing and labeling my material as accurately as possible. However, I've realized through the two shows I've done, the "general public" doesn't care what a rock is, or where it's from. They care about the pattern and/or color. I do believe there are people who are VERY interested in knowing where a particular material in a cab came from...but I do think they are the "minority" of the buying public. I think the importance of exact identification is extremely important when dealing with material that is rare or highly desirable (Trent Agate for example). Thankfully, whether this material came from the Rio Grande or the San Jacinto, I really don't think it's going to matter to anyone who may buy one of my wraps - as neither cobble is a "pricey" material. To be "safe" in the identification, I will likely label it as "Texas River Cobble"...so it is "vague" enough to covers both bases...and it's not "wrong"! LOL |
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Post by jamesp on Nov 30, 2022 11:28:22 GMT -5
jasoninsd You mentioned San Jacinto River cobbles. Is that correct or did you mean to say Rio Grande river cobbles. Both Texas rivers produce Agate, with the Rio Grande Agate being much more prolific. Or is there another non-Texas Rio Grande river of which I am not familiar. Henry I tumbled a batch of San Jacinto pebbles for Jeremy in the past Henry. I could probably tell you where to go. It is odd that the Rio Grande type materials are way over there northeast of Houston. You got to go there, it is safe and close to Houston. No explanation for that one...how those materials are so far from the Rio drainage is just a mystery. Jeremy used to find some serious wood/palm/plume/moss/banded materials along that stretch of the San Jacinto. Most of them had that same 'bleached' out white patina like many Rio cobbles have. He sent me some to tumble, I took some quicky photos. I wish you would collect there. I'll look on GE to see if I can find the section of the river, it still seems to be in my memory. There is some gravel pits along the river - it sure would be nice to have access to that gravel perhaps at a landscape store close by. Jeremy sent me these, they were some of his early findings and not his best. jasoninsd - you should look up some of Jeremy's older threads. He found some of the finest agates and palms ever posted here. They were just 1 to 2 inch pebbles but amazing material. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/23367342951/in/album-72157661762016831/ |
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