agatewhisperer
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Post by agatewhisperer on Jun 7, 2023 9:04:46 GMT -5
Ok. This is a bit nerve racking to be posting on this side of the forum. I've seen tons of amazing wraps from you all and I have a looong way to go, and decided to give it a try. I've done a few groove wraps in the past but nothing with the swirls and such. I followed bikerrandy's tutorial and with a lot of encouragement from jasoninsd (thanks dawg) I came out with a couple wraps. I didn't realize how hard it would be to get the wire to loop /swirl nicely. Any tricks and tips for that?? I'm pretty sure I funded a family vacation with my swear jar donations from this😉 One of my main issues is getting to the bail with all the extra wires and thinking "...uhhh now what". Anyway, here they are! I'll take a better picture after some patina work. And the back...
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Post by rockjunquie on Jun 7, 2023 10:01:44 GMT -5
Very nice!!!! And not just for your first ones, either. They are nice no matter.
You really got down the basics. I like how tight they are.
I think everyone reaches the top and freaks out. LOL! It gets easier, though. But, I still have those moments and I've been at it 20 something years!!
When you know you will be making swirls, make sure you do NOT work harden that section of wire. And, if you do, make sure it is done as evenly as possible. In other words, if you HAVE to work harden a section make sure you ALSO work harden (to the same degree) the section you left out. It gets really difficult to swirl wire when it is all different hardnesses.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 7, 2023 10:03:43 GMT -5
Alex...I gotta say, you should in NO way be unnerved posting these! Truly, both of these wraps are stellar!! Your design and execution are both top level! They are both elegant and GORGEOUS!! As far as "looping" the wire: I've found if the wires have bent at all during the first part of the wrapping, they have a tendency to want to bend where they were bent (you know what I mean! LOL). If they haven't been bent, then they will loop a lot more consistent. If they haven't been bent (tweaked), then I will loop them with a large loop and keep bending them until the loop gets to the size I'm looking for. If they have been tweaked so there's a "weak" spot in the wire, I will either use a circular mandrel OR what I normally do is bend a little bit at a time. When I bend a little at a time, I pinch the wires with thumb and forefinger on my left hand (like pliers) right up by the bail...then I bend a little... move my fingers...bend a little more...rinse and repeat until I've got the loop all the way around. Again...these two wraps are truly fantastic!
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Post by liveoak on Jun 7, 2023 10:38:32 GMT -5
WOW those are NICE .
I knew there would be some nice jewelry pieces coming out of those cabs.
Never know it's your first, I certainly wouldn't want to show my first wrap next to yours.
Keep up the good work !
Patty
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Post by drocknut on Jun 7, 2023 11:59:13 GMT -5
Excellent job on the wraps, they look great. No need to be anxious posting on here, we love pictures and love to encourage each other.
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Post by ashley on Jun 7, 2023 12:00:30 GMT -5
Those are awesome. You did a great job!
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Post by agatewhisperer on Jun 7, 2023 12:30:31 GMT -5
Thanks everyone! rockjunquie / jasoninsd ok that makes sense. Now that I think back on it, I straightened the wire out a little after unwinding it from the spool. I'm betting that's where some of my problems started with getting even swirls. Is there a trick to getting wire straight enough to work with after taking it off the spool without creating some hardened areas?
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Post by rockjunquie on Jun 7, 2023 12:34:37 GMT -5
Thanks everyone! rockjunquie / jasoninsd ok that makes sense. Now that I think back on it, I straightened the wire out a little after unwinding it from the spool. I'm betting that's where some of my problems started with getting even swirls. Is there a trick to getting wire straight enough to work with after taking it off the spool without creating some hardened areas? As long as you work the wire together and work harden all of it evenly as you work, you should be able to curl it easily.
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Post by chris1956 on Jun 7, 2023 13:45:41 GMT -5
Those are great!.
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Post by agatewhisperer on Jun 7, 2023 14:01:24 GMT -5
Thanks everyone!  rockjunquie / jasoninsd ok that makes sense. Now that I think back on it, I straightened the wire out a little after unwinding it from the spool. I'm betting that's where some of my problems started with getting even swirls.  Is there a trick to getting wire straight enough to work with after taking it off the spool without creating some hardened areas?  As long as you work the wire together and work harden all of it evenly as you work, you should be able to curl it easily. So this shows a good example of the level I'm at. I'm going to have to go get the work hardening tutorial because I don't really know what that is and when to do it 😅
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Post by khara on Jun 7, 2023 16:53:21 GMT -5
Very nice. I like how you connected the leftover wire down at the base with extra wire around the frame before your big 3 loops. Is that a separate piece of connection wire or a part of the original binding wires? Also your back is very clean. Overall very nice!
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Post by agatewhisperer on Jun 7, 2023 17:21:55 GMT -5
Very nice. I like how you connected the leftover wire down at the base with extra wire around the frame before your big 3 loops. Is that a separate piece of connection wire or a part of the original binding wires? Also your back is very clean. Overall very nice! Thanks! It's an extra wire to hold that together. On the second one my cab was fit so snugly in to the wire that I couldn't get the binding wire through so had to really try to wiggle stuff around while trying not to mess the rest up...
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 7, 2023 19:15:19 GMT -5
Your first wraps are awesome! I would never have guessed they were your first ones. I am truly impressed with how nice, tight and even your binding wires are. Work hardening is what happens when you manipulate the wires. In dead soft (annealed) wire, all the molecules in the metal are spaced evenly throughout the piece of metal making it totally malleable. As you manipulate the metal (wire in this case) by bending, curving or hammering it, the molecules move around making the metal "harder" and less malleable. If you continued to manipulate the metal eventually you would make it brittle and it could break. Just like if you took a piece of wire and kept bending it back and forth in the same spot, eventually it would break into 2 pieces. I straighten my wire by running it through a Sunshine cloth a couple of times (between my thumb and forefinger) using my thumb to press a little more on the outward curved wire. Does that make sense? Even doing that will start to work harden the metal, but not enough to make it worth thinking about.
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Post by agatewhisperer on Jun 7, 2023 23:03:04 GMT -5
Your first wraps are awesome! I would never have guessed they were your first ones. I am truly impressed with how nice, tight and even your binding wires are.  Work hardening is what happens when you manipulate the wires. In dead soft (annealed) wire, all the molecules in the metal are spaced evenly throughout the piece of metal making it totally malleable. As you manipulate the metal (wire in this case) by bending, curving or hammering it, the molecules move around making the metal "harder" and less malleable. If you continued to manipulate the metal eventually you would make it brittle and it could break. Just like if you took a piece of wire and kept bending it back and forth in the same spot, eventually it would break into 2 pieces. I straighten my wire by running it through a Sunshine cloth a couple of times (between my thumb and forefinger) using my thumb to press a little more on the outward curved wire. Does that make sense? Even doing that will start to work harden the metal, but not enough to make it worth thinking about. Thanks! And to clarify, I've done a number of groove wraps but this was my first step in to any swirly stuff. Interesting, I'll give that sunshine cloth a try for the next round. Might be a little while and I need to find another design to try out.
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Post by susand24224 on Jun 8, 2023 2:21:33 GMT -5
Wow! You are well on your way to being extraordinary. I don't usually do that type of looping, so can't be any help--except--you may find it easier with round wire (since it doesn't turn on its side, or rather, you can't tell if it turns cockeyed) and long ago Marie did a tutorial on doing "swirls." I'm not remembering what her name was on here but perhaps rockjunquie Tela remembers (?) I think she taught at jewelrylessons.com and I know she sold on Etsy for awhile. At least she had a tutorial or three on jewelrylessons.com.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jun 8, 2023 6:55:15 GMT -5
Wow! You are well on your way to being extraordinary. I don't usually do that type of looping, so can't be any help--except--you may find it easier with round wire (since it doesn't turn on its side, or rather, you can't tell if it turns cockeyed) and long ago Marie did a tutorial on doing "swirls." I'm not remembering what her name was on here but perhaps rockjunquie Tela remembers (?) I think she taught at jewelrylessons.com and I know she sold on Etsy for awhile. At least she had a tutorial or three on jewelrylessons.com. I think you're thinking of superioragates . Yes, she has a tutorial here on making swirls. She's the Queen of Swirls. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/36528/make-swirls-27-big-pics
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 8, 2023 9:16:22 GMT -5
Your first wraps are awesome! I would never have guessed they were your first ones. I am truly impressed with how nice, tight and even your binding wires are. Work hardening is what happens when you manipulate the wires. In dead soft (annealed) wire, all the molecules in the metal are spaced evenly throughout the piece of metal making it totally malleable. As you manipulate the metal (wire in this case) by bending, curving or hammering it, the molecules move around making the metal "harder" and less malleable. If you continued to manipulate the metal eventually you would make it brittle and it could break. Just like if you took a piece of wire and kept bending it back and forth in the same spot, eventually it would break into 2 pieces. I straighten my wire by running it through a Sunshine cloth a couple of times (between my thumb and forefinger) using my thumb to press a little more on the outward curved wire. Does that make sense? Even doing that will start to work harden the metal, but not enough to make it worth thinking about. Thanks! And to clarify, I've done a number of groove wraps but this was my first step in to any swirly stuff. Interesting, I'll give that sunshine cloth a try for the next round. Might be a little while and I need to find another design to try out. I use an old sock to run the wire through...one that has a big hole in it...like a LOT of my socks! LOL I couldn't get this technique to work to save my life...then I realized I was pinching the wire too tightly when running through the cloth/sock. I lightened the pressure and now it works great.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 8, 2023 9:17:58 GMT -5
Wow! You are well on your way to being extraordinary. I don't usually do that type of looping, so can't be any help--except--you may find it easier with round wire (since it doesn't turn on its side, or rather, you can't tell if it turns cockeyed) and long ago Marie did a tutorial on doing "swirls." I'm not remembering what her name was on here but perhaps rockjunquie Tela remembers (?) I think she taught at jewelrylessons.com and I know she sold on Etsy for awhile. At least she had a tutorial or three on jewelrylessons.com. I think you're thinking of superioragates . Yes, she has a tutorial here on making swirls. She's the Queen of Swirls. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/36528/make-swirls-27-big-picsThanks for posting this Tela! I thought I'd been through all the old wire-wrapping threads...but I don't remember seeing this one!
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 8, 2023 12:17:12 GMT -5
Truth, Jason. All you need is a light touch. Death grips defeat the purpose.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 8, 2023 20:59:25 GMT -5
Truth, Jason. All you need is a light touch. Death grips defeat the purpose.
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