rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 18, 2023 13:28:17 GMT -5
I work on a lot of hard material, so I am always battling scratches. I start with 3 different 80 grit wheels. Since I like to work fast, I start with a textured 80 grit that leaves Mariana Trench deep scratches. I move on to another textured 80 grit that has lost a lot of it's bite and then on to a very worn DP 80 grit. The 280 soft is the most overused wheel. Deep scratches laugh at a 220 grit hard. Scratches do a good job of hiding from me. I don't see them until polishing even though I inspect frequently. I try to refine my technique to hit all the of the face. My scratches look like ||| |||. Yours are random. I kind of agree with Jason but have not experienced anything like that. I do feel like the 280 soft will be the most replaced wheel for sure! Maybe because I use it when I dont' need to? I think I need more time on 220... I hope to get better with that! I wonder what I'm doing that my scratches are all over the place. I try to not get flat spots so I move around a lot, but perhaps I'm doing it too much. I'm going to try to polish a flat face before I try any more of my good material so i can see if there's a rogue diamond.. I do occasionally feel something catching so I think i do have a diamond sticking out somewhere. Thanks for your comments!!
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rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:57 GMT -5
THank you! This is definitely helpful! As mentioned prior, I think I'm rushing myself through the steps. I need to take a breath, and slow down. I'm so eager to shape up all of my amazing slabs that I need to take some of the lesser amazing and just work them until i get them to where they should be. I know this, but when I sit down I get all giddy lol...Can't wait to see what polishes up. It all comes with time. It’s not uncommon for me to spend over an hour on a cab. That's good to know! I' know there's no time limit, but sometimes I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I'm spending so much time. I have my thoughts in order for what I need to do next so I appreciate all of this feedback!!
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 18, 2023 13:42:57 GMT -5
I've been doing this a long time and I believe like everyone else overused the 280 soft. There is something comforting about a soft wheel that can remove material. When the 220 soft was offered, yippee. I'm not a fan of the 220 hard. When they are new and aggressive they are ok but after that they don't cut much and won't remove deep 80 grit scratches. Since I have a Genie with a removable right arbor, I get more choices of wheels. I do the rough grinding on the right side and then move to the left the more traditional set up. Highland Park had a sale on wheels and I bought a 140 grit soft and swapped it for the 220 hard as a backup for when my DP 80 retired itself. I use the 280 soft as a sanding wheel the same as the 600 and 1200.
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rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 19, 2023 8:04:58 GMT -5
I've been doing this a long time and I believe like everyone else overused the 280 soft. There is something comforting about a soft wheel that can remove material. When the 220 soft was offered, yippee. I'm not a fan of the 220 hard. When they are new and aggressive they are ok but after that they don't cut much and won't remove deep 80 grit scratches. Since I have a Genie with a removable right arbor, I get more choices of wheels. I do the rough grinding on the right side and then move to the left the more traditional set up. Highland Park had a sale on wheels and I bought a 140 grit soft and swapped it for the 220 hard as a backup for when my DP 80 retired itself. I use the 280 soft as a sanding wheel the same as the 600 and 1200. I had no idea there even was a 220 soft lol...I really want to master the machine as it is though. I know I can do it, I just need to refine what I'm doing. I ordered all kinds of extra discs for the slant lap and didn't find it made a bit of difference in the ease of removing the scratches. Given me some food for thought though once I do find my groove
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realrockhound
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Post by realrockhound on Sept 19, 2023 10:38:06 GMT -5
I’m under the belief you don’t need multiple wheels. Maybe having worn wheels is nice when you’re doing obsidian, but for most stones, what comes supplied will easily get the job done. If you spend the time on your 80 and 220 getting an even displacement of dome and abrasion , you won’t need to spend much time on the 280 soft. But don’t be scared to spend extra time on a wheel. It’s not a race as you’re well aware. But with that.. I think you’ve been given plenty of good advice from others. I have faith you’ll get it all figured out. Good luck
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Post by skrapyard on Sept 19, 2023 11:33:48 GMT -5
When I started I definitely spent too much time on the 280 soft too. So much time that I used it up and wore it down FAST. I replaced it with one of the better diamond rez wheels and its definitely lasting a lot longer. Ive also changed my habits and try to get most of the shaping done on the 220 sintered before moving to the 280 soft.
Ive also found that making sure to almost "facet" the cab on the 80 sintered first helps me finish shaping and doming them on the 220 with a lot more ease. If I try to go straight to shaping and doming without cutting those "facets" its more of a struggle for me.
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rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 19, 2023 12:45:15 GMT -5
When I started I definitely spent too much time on the 280 soft too. So much time that I used it up and wore it down FAST. I replaced it with one of the better diamond rez wheels and its definitely lasting a lot longer. Ive also changed my habits and try to get most of the shaping done on the 220 sintered before moving to the 280 soft. Ive also found that making sure to almost "facet" the cab on the 80 sintered first helps me finish shaping and doming them on the 220 with a lot more ease. If I try to go straight to shaping and doming without cutting those "facets" its more of a struggle for me. Thank you! I feel like I'm on my way to doing just that with the 280...time to back the truck up and revisit the hard wheels and spend more time there. I like your suggestion of faceting on 80 first - I was trying to get the shape down on that wheel before moving on, so maybe that's part of my issue. I'll try that! Thanks!
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Post by Starguy on Sept 19, 2023 22:19:21 GMT -5
rocknewb101If you can feel rough spots on your hard wheels, they’re probably causing the scratches. When dressing hard wheels, a good hard agate like Montana moss works well. The bigger the agate the better. A two or three pound agate will smooth out rough spots pretty fast. It always takes awhile to break in hard wheels but you’ll get there. I think your cab and dome look great.
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rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 20, 2023 6:53:21 GMT -5
rocknewb101 If you can feel rough spots on your hard wheels, they’re probably causing the scratches. When dressing hard wheels, a good hard agate like Montana moss works well. The bigger the agate the better. A two or three pound agate will smooth out rough spots pretty fast. It always takes awhile to break in hard wheels but you’ll get there. I think your cab and dome look great. Thanks Brent! I'm thinking the same, I do feel areas that 'catch' if that makes sense. I just got 5 large montana's from Kinesava that are probably about 1-2lbs maybe? 3-4" long - I was going to cut one of them in half and just try to face polish one as a way to wear down those high spots.
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realrockhound
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Post by realrockhound on Sept 20, 2023 11:18:04 GMT -5
Show us what you learned, I’m ready to see that cab 😅
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rocknewb101
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Post by rocknewb101 on Sept 20, 2023 12:33:09 GMT -5
Show us what you learned, I’m ready to see that cab 😅 haha! I sure will. I usually don't do any rock work through the week as I just don't have the time - maybe Friday...I'm leaving work early. I can't wait for it to be finished. i think it'll be really pretty.
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Post by Starguy on Sept 20, 2023 17:47:45 GMT -5
rocknewb101 If you can feel rough spots on your hard wheels, they’re probably causing the scratches. When dressing hard wheels, a good hard agate like Montana moss works well. The bigger the agate the better. A two or three pound agate will smooth out rough spots pretty fast. It always takes awhile to break in hard wheels but you’ll get there. I think your cab and dome look great. Thanks Brent! I'm thinking the same, I do feel areas that 'catch' if that makes sense. I just got 5 large montana's from Kinesava that are probably about 1-2lbs maybe? 3-4" long - I was going to cut one of them in half and just try to face polish one as a way to wear down those high spots. That makes perfect sense. Both hard wheels will likely have some rough spots but 80 grit diamonds will definitely leave a mark on anything. You might be able to feel and see (with magnification) rough spots on the 80. When dressing with the big agate, focus on the rough spot but still work the big agate back and forth across the full width of the wheel. If the rough spot(s) are on the edge of the face they will go away pretty fast. If in the middle, it can take awhile. You’ll know when the rough spot is gone because you won’t feel the “catch” anymore and the scratches will be easier to clean up on 220.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 20, 2023 21:12:54 GMT -5
Peta, don't worry about taking your time on a cab. I am the slowest cabber in the world. If I can get one finished in a single day that's fast for me!
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Post by liveoak on Sept 21, 2023 6:21:48 GMT -5
+2 for a cab a day. Once or twice I've managed 2, but I can't figure out how some people show a half a dozen cabs + that they did in an afternoon. So, you're not alone Peta. But the satisfaction when it's done, is always wonderful
Patty
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realrockhound
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Post by realrockhound on Sept 21, 2023 10:36:21 GMT -5
I admittedly like to do bigger cabs. Mostly from the standpoint that I don’t wrap or set them. They go in shadow boxes for display. That’s part of why it takes me so long to do a cab. I think I average around an hour a cab. Depending on cut and material.
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Post by broseph82 on Sept 22, 2023 15:19:38 GMT -5
Hi all - I wonder if someone can offer some insight...clearly I'm struggling here - what on earth happened? It was not this bad....I did try to go back to the 220 wheel after the 280 soft wasn't getting out all of the scratches after about 30 mins of trying - but holy wow, now it's three times worse. Is this salvageable? Is it because the dome is flat? What would you do with this? Ugh. I did not feel like I was pushing hard at all, but also trying not to allow it to skip along the wheels - too new of a wheel yet? Should I try the 360 lap on the side? This was formed from a slab of pigeon blood agate. This is the technique I try to follow when I cab - although I'm thinking maybe I rush things - I need to make a mental note to slow down and take my time with each step. Thank you. Looks to me like the edge of your 80g wheels ate it up. Def looks like the side hit it. This isn't one and done. Takes time, Patience, and throwing a few cans across the room before you get it right. Ha ha
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 22, 2023 16:23:28 GMT -5
Hi all - I wonder if someone can offer some insight...clearly I'm struggling here - what on earth happened? It was not this bad....I did try to go back to the 220 wheel after the 280 soft wasn't getting out all of the scratches after about 30 mins of trying - but holy wow, now it's three times worse. Is this salvageable? Is it because the dome is flat? What would you do with this? Ugh. I did not feel like I was pushing hard at all, but also trying not to allow it to skip along the wheels - too new of a wheel yet? Should I try the 360 lap on the side? This was formed from a slab of pigeon blood agate. This is the technique I try to follow when I cab - although I'm thinking maybe I rush things - I need to make a mental note to slow down and take my time with each step. Thank you. Looks to me like the edge of your 80g wheels ate it up. Def looks like the side hit it. This isn't one and done. Takes time, Patience, and throwing a few cans across the room before you get it right. Ha ha I watched the video. I am also self taught. I noticed that he controls the stone with his fingers not the dop. I do the same. The dop is needed for polishing and helpful to prevent grinding fingers. I didn't watch the part (if it was in the video) for cutting the groove. I don't groove so it wasn't relevant. It resulted in a lower dome which means less grinding. I didn't see him mark top and bottom. Did he use a sandwich template or just guess. I mark the top to trim and then mark the bottom to grind. The top bottom marks don't line up but the top gets ground away. I also do something I think is unusual. When grinding the preform the top flares out from the bottom. I grind the dome to the girdle line and then square the sides. I do this for two reasons. It makes it harder to accidentally grind into the face and any chipping on the edges will go away when I square. I think he would be traumatized watching me operate the bulldozer (textured 80 grit). I like to melt rock. He might not be comfortable with things moving that fast. I also have never had a contamination problem using geysers.
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Post by ashley on Oct 1, 2023 16:41:46 GMT -5
Beautiful Peta!
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Post by knave on Oct 1, 2023 16:42:12 GMT -5
Beautifull
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