khara
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Post by khara on Jun 24, 2024 19:17:12 GMT -5
I got an email introducing the new KN C6 model. I have the original model and am quite pleased with it except for the side spitters which I have the parts for and still need to modify to use mister nozzles instead. They didn't make any changes as far as I can see to those spitters but they did make the side covers bigger and easier to open. I'm not fully understanding some of the other changes they made. Maybe they'll do a video explanation at some point. Maybe too some of you KN users have thoughts on the new doo-dads on the top of the machine, like why is the felt above the lid and how do the red access holes work? Here's a pic and web link.  kingsleynorth.com/kingsley-north-cabber-6.html?queryID=a5a0379a4ee8d4a2d86c98054f3973ac&objectID=12036&indexName=kingsleynorthenglish_products |
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 24, 2024 19:39:32 GMT -5
I also got the email and was trying to figure out some of the changes as well. Not sure about the felt above the frame there. I see they went to an "all in one" felt across the three wheels. I hate their felt. It wears out WAY too quickly. When I first got my machine, I was in contact with them and I was sent several different materials to try rather than the felt. I gave the my impressions and experiences with each of the different materials...any of which were better than that felt. Apparently they didn't believe me...or the pictures I sent of the longevity of the different materials.
I want to find out what material a couple of the others I tried were...then make my own replacements if I can.
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Post by chris1956 on Jun 24, 2024 21:00:01 GMT -5
Got the email too. The felt strips (and their replacement) have been also been a concern I have had with this machine.
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khara
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Post by khara on Jun 24, 2024 23:40:59 GMT -5
jasoninsd and chris1956 It always seemed to me the felt wasn't fully the issue, but the rubber flap, or whatever is in front of it, that pushes the felt down onto the wheel. I haven't taken my machine apart to investigate this because when I have a little time I'd rather not spend it farting around with a machine if I can just get a cab made, but I can feel up in there and there is something pushing that felt to rest directly on the wheels, so ya, it wears out quick. I keep thinking, eventually, some day, I'll take it apart and figure out how to create a little gap in there. That, and the side spitters, oh and the light arm, are things I fuss with, but otherwise the little bit of cabbing I've done I'm really happy with the machine. I've only otherwise used a Genie, and I really do prefer this fresh water pump and drip line to the water tray and spitters.
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Post by rockbrain on Jun 25, 2024 8:56:04 GMT -5
I don't have any rubber in front of my felt. Just the felt. My machine doesn't have the valve for the side spitters on top like the new one. It's a funky, plastic, inline valve on the spitter line. I think the top felt is another water spreader for the wheels. It looks like it adjust down against the top of the wheel.
I can't figure out what the last picture in the link is showing. The orange plastic plug is pulled out of the hole and that quick connect thing is hooked to something. At first glance I thought it was a new light connector but that doesn't seem to be it.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 27, 2024 15:23:50 GMT -5
jasoninsd and chris1956 It always seemed to me the felt wasn't fully the issue, but the rubber flap, or whatever is in front of it, that pushes the felt down onto the wheel. I haven't taken my machine apart to investigate this because when I have a little time I'd rather not spend it farting around with a machine if I can just get a cab made, but I can feel up in there and there is something pushing that felt to rest directly on the wheels, so ya, it wears out quick. I keep thinking, eventually, some day, I'll take it apart and figure out how to create a little gap in there. That, and the side spitters, oh and the light arm, are things I fuss with, but otherwise the little bit of cabbing I've done I'm really happy with the machine. I've only otherwise used a Genie, and I really do prefer this fresh water pump and drip line to the water tray and spitters. I think the issue is both the rubber...and the cheap felt. One of the things I did was "scored" the inside edge of the rubber pieces with a sharp utility knife. Basically I wanted to decrease the major stress of them pushing the pads against the wheel. It really is considerably less pressure now...but the felt just can't take the abuse of the diamond wheels. I don't have any rubber in front of my felt. Just the felt. My machine doesn't have the valve for the side spitters on top like the new one. It's a funky, plastic, inline valve on the spitter line. I think the top felt is another water spreader for the wheels. It looks like it adjust down against the top of the wheel. I can't figure out what the last picture in the link is showing. The orange plastic plug is pulled out of the hole and that quick connect thing is hooked to something. At first glance I thought it was a new light connector but that doesn't seem to be it. That makes sense about the top line of felt... |
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khara
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Post by khara on Jun 27, 2024 16:59:31 GMT -5
jasoninsd and rockbrain I was imaginging something similar with the top felt helping to disperse water over the top of the wheels. Honestly though, I'd miss the storage area on top of the machine. I have plastic trays there that hold my dopped cabs. With those added felt pads, there's not as much shelf space on top. And, I was hoping someone here was smarter than me and could figure out the red plug with connector thing pulled out of it. Kingsley should probably produce a video showing all their upgrades. For now, a mystery!
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Post by jasoninsd on Jun 27, 2024 17:03:30 GMT -5
jasoninsd and rockbrain I was imaginging something similar with the top felt helping to disperse water over the top of the wheels. Honestly though, I'd miss the storage area on top of the machine. I have plastic trays there that hold my dopped cabs. With those added felt pads, there's not as much shelf space on top. And, I was hoping someone here was smarter than me and could figure out the red plug with connector thing pulled out of it. Kingsley should probably produce a video showing all their upgrades. For now, a mystery! ...as far as "me" being smarter than you...ummm...   |
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Post by liveoak on Jun 29, 2024 10:02:43 GMT -5
I think the orange plugs are access to the arbor to grease it.
Photo looks like a grease gun end.
Patty
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Post by chris1956 on Jun 29, 2024 10:04:57 GMT -5
I think the orange plugs are access to the arbor to grease it. Photo looks like a grease gun end. Patty Well that would be an improvement because taking the top off to gease the bearings is a pain in the ..... |
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Post by liveoak on Jun 29, 2024 10:16:08 GMT -5
I guess it would be simple enough to drill access holes.
Patty
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Post by QuailRiver on Jun 29, 2024 14:30:56 GMT -5
For my old HP cabbing machine I cut a one-piece splash curtain from a 1/16" thick sheet of neoprene rubber and extended it from the tops of the wheels to also down in between the sides of the wheels (see photo below). It works better than I had hoped for.  |
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Post by rockbrain on Jun 29, 2024 14:43:32 GMT -5
I think the orange plugs are access to the arbor to grease it. Photo looks like a grease gun end. Patty That makes sense. I don't think I would have come up with that. What a stupid picture to put without an explanation. |
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Post by liveoak on Jun 29, 2024 14:47:46 GMT -5
For my old HP cabbing machine I cut a one-piece splash curtain from a 1/16" thick sheet of neoprene rubber and extended it from the tops of the wheels to also down in between the sides of the wheels (see photo below). It works better than I had hoped for. Now that's a most excellent idea !  I'm stealing that one. Patty.... stealing ideas this week  |
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Post by liveoak on Jun 29, 2024 14:50:32 GMT -5
What a stupid picture to put without an explanation. Personally, I'm still wondering what the felts on the top of the housing, are actually supposed to do.
Patty
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rockbrain
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Post by rockbrain on Jun 29, 2024 14:57:34 GMT -5
I just emailed KN and asked them about both the top strips and the orange caps.
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khara
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Post by khara on Jun 29, 2024 15:18:11 GMT -5
Ah interesting liveoak Thank you. Have you ever greased your arbor? I haven’t even ever taken the top off of my machine yet. I don’t have that many hours on it really though. |
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Post by liveoak on Jun 29, 2024 15:54:25 GMT -5
Nope, I've never greased mine either. But I have had the top off to replace a couple of wheels and the felts. Maybe the next time I take it off I'll see about greasing it, but I don't have that many hours on it either.
Patty
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Post by chris1956 on Jun 29, 2024 19:01:30 GMT -5
I just emailed KN and asked them about both the top strips and the orange caps. I was just thinking about emailing them too. |
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Post by chris1956 on Jun 29, 2024 19:10:20 GMT -5
Nope, I've never greased mine either. But I have had the top off to replace a couple of wheels and the felts. Maybe the next time I take it off I'll see about greasing it, but I don't have that many hours on it either.
Patty
That is an interesting topic. I thought that the manual that KN provided for the cabber was probably the best of any new equipment that I have bought. However, the length of time between greasings is something they don't address. I think it says "periodically". Thanks. I could do it periodically every week, month, year, decade, etc. I think when I bought it I looked up greasing intervals for bearings and came up with the idea of doing it every 6 months. The first time I greased it either the grease fitting was big or the connection on my grease gun was small because I got it on and had a heck of a time getting it off. I switched the connection on my grease gun and it is better but still tight. I have had this issue with other grease fittings. Either there are two sizes that are close or the manufacturing tolerances aren't very good. |
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