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Post by hermatite on May 18, 2006 11:49:11 GMT -5
No need to apologize...I just know that viedo is upsetting and wanted to distance myself from it. As far as the American thing goes, I married an American, I gave birth to an American. I think that implies a certain sense of loyalty to this country on my part. Do I recite the pledge of allegiance at my garden club (seriously, they recite the pledge of allegiance at my garden club...am I the only one who finds this odd?) I stand out of respect...and remain respectfully silent. When and if I beome a US citizen, I will gladly joing in (still think its weid in the garden club setting though). In answer to you questions Lithrick: 1. In general, among the Canadian people, how much emphasis and importance is placed on patriotism and national pride? I realize that that may not be a simple question to answer, and I realize that a general answer may not be possible. Nope..not an answer that's possible. I've heard it said that in Canada we wave a small flag. We're proud of our country and its place in the world. I think, basically, we're proud to be Canadian. Do we talk about it? Nah. Not outside of social studies class, anyway. 2. Are the codes of conduct upon hearing your national anthem and viewing/displaying your flag pretty much the same as it is for folks in the U.S.A. with their national anthem/flag? We stand at attention. Men remove their hats. We sing (unless some it is in french...then some of us have a problem knowing the words). Do we respect the flag? sure. Do we hang in it our yards? yep. Do we wear it on our backpacks when travelling? hell yeah...but then...so do Americans. 3. Since 09/11/'01, there has been a huge outbreak of "bandwagon patriotism" here in the U.S.A., where suddenly it is super-trendy to display lots of Usamerican flags, lots of red, white, and blue; and have many patriotic magnetic ribbons displayed on your vehicle(s). One cannot help but wonder at the individual's/individuals' true motivations for displaying so many patriotic this-and-thats. Did Canada experience a similar outbreak of bandwagon patriotism following 09/11/'01? Dunno..I didn't live there then. I don't think there's anything wrong with bandwagon patriotism as you put it. I think its good that people suddenly thought about what it was that they cared about and loved about their country. That it too such a tremendous tragedy to bring it on is the only sad part. But we're all like that. (see Joanie Mitchell...) 4. What is the average Canadian's view of their Usamerican neighbors/country? Is it pretty much benign, or is there a sense among some Canadians that the U.S.A. and its citizens are a little arrogant and overly militaristic? LOL...do you really want to know? Thinking Canadians realize that the American people are not all little George Bush. But I think generally there's a frustration that, for example, when the Prime Minister of Canada meets George Bush on a state visit Scott McClelland called him by the old prime minister's name, not once, not twice, but three separate times. I mean...hello! The fact that Americans don't know why the Queen is on our money, how many provinces there are...stuff like that. Just basic stuff that you'd expect people to know about their biggest neighbor. Its not the militaristic stuff that bugs us so much as the just being ignored...until America needs something. oh...and the eh thing. Americans...PLEASE stop saying "eh" to us. It was only funny the first ten million times. Nuff said..{auto-correct: MOV files not allowed}ing on.
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Post by Cher on May 18, 2006 14:15:56 GMT -5
Ignore a Canadian ... that's blasphemy. Some of the nicest people I have met have been from Canada. But then living as close as I do to the border, we meet quite a few, especially during curling season and at the bonspiels. What am I leading up too Herm? Seriously, I can't stop saying "eh" it's a part of our daily language here in northern MN so you'll just have to ignore me. *smile* Oh, and I think it's wonderful that your garden club recites the pledge.
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Post by krazydiamond on May 18, 2006 16:51:05 GMT -5
yeh, i say "eh?" all the time...but then, i am within a few hours of Canada too. i also say "y'all" having visited the South and living in Florida for long enough to have it catch. and i'm married to a Brit, so i also have absorbed some of his vocabulary (wonky, bloody hell, etc). and i think if you are married to the same person long enough you begin to have your own language/understanding.
i've met some really ornery Canadians, mainly in Mexico. go figure.
i think the nicest Canadians i've met have been in here (RTH), tho we did meet a very nice couple of Canadians in Mexico....he was a train engineer and had a hilarious way of telling tales. they didn't much like the other Canadians there either.
i guess i've been a very lucky person to have travelled and worked with folks from a lot of different places on the planet. because really, when it gets down to it, like in here, most folks just want to get along despite their individual/personal motivations. that is probably why as a species we are still here and dominant.
this has been a very interesting (if not long winded soap box grandstanding) thread...good to see we all got a little fight left.
KD
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Post by lithrick on May 20, 2006 13:28:17 GMT -5
It seems fitting to present the lyrics to the Canadian national anthem, "O Canada!". As other languages always end up taking a back seat to English, I've decided to present the French version first.
French lyrics:
O Canada! Terre de nos aïeux Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux Car ton bras sait porter l'épée Il sait porter la croix Ton histoire est une épopée Des plus brilliants exploits Et ta valeur, de foi trempée Protégera nos foyers et nos droits Protégera nos foyers et nos droits
English lyrics:
O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, We stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
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Post by xenaswolf on May 20, 2006 15:50:36 GMT -5
Here is what has always confused me....Parts of Canada speak French yet the Queen of England is on their money. /boggle
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Post by inflight22 on May 21, 2006 1:17:36 GMT -5
I used to belong to a message board called, "Creationism vs. Evolution." I joined already knowing that I was on the side of evolution, but my main objective was to learn, not debate. One of my first questions posted was concerning the existence of dinosaurs and why they weren't mentioned in the Bible. Well, I got a whole bunch of different answers, ranging from denial of their existence, to being pointed to certain parts of scripture that apparently did acknowledge their presence. I thought it all very interesting.
As time went on though, it became apparent that so many on that board were just there to either debate or proselytize-and they would paste up to 20 pages of biblical and other material that surely few would even bother to read-that it became a lot less intellectually stimulating than I desired. Many also had a way of simply getting riled up and doing a lot of name-calling if someone didn't agree with them. It got quite childish at times.
I just want to say that I appreciate this board and the abilities of its members to keep discussions on a less emotional level than many of the others out there. People here seem to be capable of understanding that it's not the end of the world if someone doesn't agree with them.
jj
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Post by krazydiamond on May 21, 2006 19:42:23 GMT -5
maybe it is because we have learned patience through the stone? i'd like to think that, JJ.
i also like to think we as RTH have a good board and are tolerant and respectful of all good and honorable folks. and we sniff out the bad eventually. i'm glad Mark did the Life, the Universe thread, because you can go there or not. otherwise, we seem to be true to our shared addiction. rocks, rocks, spam and rocks.
KD
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Post by xenaswolf on May 22, 2006 4:05:33 GMT -5
Subject: soldiers
KEEP THIS GOING PLEASE
I watched the flag pass by one day, It fluttered in the breeze.
A young Marine saluted it,Ad then he stood at ease..
I looked at him in uniform So young, so tall, so proud, With hair cut square and eyes alert He'd stand out in any crowd.
I thought how many men like him Had fallen through the years. How many died on foreign soil How many mothers' tears?
How many pilots' planes shot down? How many died at sea How many foxholes were soldiers' graves? No, freedom isn't free.
I heard the sound of Taps one night, When everything was still, I listened to the bugler play And felt a sudden chill. I wondered just how many times That Taps had meant "Amen,"
When a flag had draped a coffin. Of a brother or a friend.
II thought of all the children, Of the mothers and the wives, Of fathers, sons and husbands With interrupted lives.
thought about a graveyard At the bottom of the sea
Of unmarked graves in Arlington. No, freedom isn't free.
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llanago
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Post by llanago on May 30, 2006 0:30:33 GMT -5
Boy, this is a GREAT thread! Kinda what I'm used to seeing on the political forums I sometimes participate in. Even though there are alot of different views and ideas, some offense and insults, what makes it so good is that the differing opinions MAKE PEOPLE THINK!! And, that's always good.
As for me, I show respect for the flag, as long as it doesn't have the yellow fringe. If it has the yellow fringe, to hell with it. I don't say the pledge nor put my hand over my heart, but I am not disrespectful of those that do. I am a hard core Libertarian. I believe the government has NO place in my life and I give it the respect it deserves - NONE! I agree with George Washington's statement that "government is evil". Sorry I don't have the entire quote at my fingertips. I also agree with his Farewell statement that we should not to get involved with foreign governments. I believe that if one wants freedom and liberty, they must be willing to give freedom and liberty to others. So, even though someone else's opinions and views may differ greatly from mine, I will fight to the death for their right to say it. I am a Christian, but I hate organized religion. And certainly don't believe religion has any place in government. I think it is dangerous to everybody when ANY religion is able to influence government in any shape, fashion or form. I agree with Rick re: 911. If one REALLY digs and does the research, the "story" given by the government just doesn't add up. The moon? Who knows, who cares! We have millions of Americans that don't have decent housing, food on the table, warm clothes to wear when it's cold and children that aren't being educated worth a crap and we have spent BILLIONS on the space program!!! I am hard core anti-war but I do respect and honor our Vets. Doesn't make a damn if I agree with the war/wars or not, these men and women went and sacrificed much and they deserve our respect. I think very few of our soldiers have WANTED to go to war, but they go because the District of Criminals decide they need a war for whatever reason and our service men and women go because that is their JOB if they are called to go. I may be antiwar, but Lord help the person that treats Vets the way they did after Viet Nam. If I'm around, I'll slap them into next week. There are some things one just does not do! I think polticians - city, county, state and federal - are a bunch of lying, corrupt criminals, who don't give a hoot about anything except the money and power their office offers them. There are some exceptions, but VERY few. I love America, but hate the corporate United States of America. There is a VAST difference between the two. I am an AMERICAN, not a citizen of the United States of America, nor a person, nor a individual as defined by the corporate US government. I believe in the original intent of our Constitution as written by our Founding Fathers, in that only the first 12 Amendments and the ORIGINAL 13th Amendment are valid. The rest are Amendments that apply only to citizens of the Federal Districts of the United States. I do not live in a Federal District, therefore, they do not apply to me. I don't understand why so many people cannot wrap their mind around the fact that the many people that hate what has happened to this country are told to "love it or leave it" and are accused of being anti-American when they speak their opinions. Seen plenty of that on this thread and it disgusts me although I know and really like some of the folks that said it. Hating what is/has happened to this country and expressing it does not make one anti-American! I HATE the government and have NO respect for Bush, Clinton or anybody else that has sat in that office since I got old enough and intelligent enough to understand the fraud they have perputrated on Americans since long before any of us were ever born. I don't respect liars, thieves, or criminals and that is what our government is made of. They don't deserve my respect nor anyone else's. I could go on for pages, but it's bedtime (and I got so interested in this thread, I didn't read any others!) I will add that I did not come to my opinions and views by listening to Alex Jones, reading conspiracy theories/websites or by what anybody told me. I have spent THOUSANDS of hours the last 15+ years researching in the law library and online. To really get to the truth of what has happened to AMERICA, one has to go to the source - The United States Code, the treaties, Congressional Records and various other government documents. What you find in those documents is far removed from what we have been told by the government. For example, the recent repeal of the Federal Excise Tax on your phone bill that allows one to claim a refund for the last three years on their tax return and get some of their money back. How nice of them - esp. since this tax was actually repealed in 1968!! What a fraud the government has pulled over on the American people. Just one of many. Arron Russo's film "America - Freedom to Facism" might be showing in a theater near you one day soon. I highly recommend it to everyone. It might give some insight into why so many folks aren't so patriotic anymore. Real hard to be patriotic to a government that has "pulled the wool" over so many eyes for so long.
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28
CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere at Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on the beach and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a crowd of people who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors, Russo proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to pay a direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity card (which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. Neither left nor right-wing in perspective, the film concludes that the U.S. government is taking on the characteristics of a police state.
“I am disgusted by the direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made this movie because I want to live in a free country and I want my kids and grandkids to live in a free country. The American people must abandon the myth that America is still the land of liberty that it once was.”
I wholeheartedly agree!
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llanago
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Post by llanago on May 30, 2006 0:44:54 GMT -5
since I got old enough and intelligent enough to understand the fraud
I'd like to rephrase this! It's sounds as if I think I am more intelligent than everybody else and that's not the case at all.
I should have said "since I got old enough and have researched enough to understand the fraud". Believe me, I am not that intelligent! I just know this stuff because researching government fraud has been my passion for so long I hardly remember what my life was like before. As far as being "intelligent" about anything else, just ask me about some of the dumb, stupid, unintelligent things I have done lately! There's a list of them as long as this post!
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Post by lithrick on May 30, 2006 16:30:34 GMT -5
Llango, Thank you for your coming on board this thread! I cannot even begin to claim the background research that you have apparantly done, if you have indeed done that. I agree with much of what you say and believe, and I thank you for the heads up on the upcoming film by Aaron Russo. Usamericans had better wake up, and SOON! There's far less than 2 Minutes to Midnight left, and midnight is all night! By the way, an earlier claim I made was that a former military officer heard Cheney order that the 9/11 planes not be intercepted. I was corrected by my brother, who has done a ton of research into this arena. It was Norman Mineta who made the claim that Cheney made and sustained this order (Norman Mineta was Secretary of Transportation at the time). My brother suggests the website "Veterens for 911 Truth". It's address is >http://www.v911t.org/<. These are vets (and they welcome the help and support of non-vets) who see how the U.S.A. is being turned into a police state and know (with plenty of hard evidence) that the disasters of 09/11/'01 were the result of an inside job of the highest levels of the Usamerican government. This site also covers A LOT of other information and issues that will amaze you. What the Usamerican founders fought for is long gone. What they fought against is now what controls the nation they fought to create.
Think a little about Usamerican history. What were Usamerican troops doing invading Canada during the Revolutionary War? Wasn't thirteen colonies enough to defend, or was there greed for more? Then, not once, but twice, Usamerican troops invaded Canada in The War of 1812. The Canadians/British managed to stave off the much larger Usamerican forces, but why were Usamerican troops ordered to invade Canada again and again? Simple answer; an imperialist greed and desire to control all of northern North America.
How about the Louisiana Purchase? Completely benign, right? Napoleon Bonaparte (the ruler of France at the time) sold the U.S.A. the Louisiana Territory to finance his war machine. N. Bonaparte was the Hitler of his time, and the Usamerican government knew what his intentions were. While Lewis & Clark had the adventure of a lifetime, N. Bonaparte ravaged Europe with Usamerican money!
How many Amerind nations were destroyed or nearly completely destroyed by Usamerican expansion and treachery? Dozens, if not hundreds.
Then there is the so called "American Civil War". There was NEVER an American civil war. That was a war between two independent nations; the states that formed The Confederate States of America did nothing different than when the original thirteen colonies declared their independence from Britain. There were two national governments that recognized each other. There was formal exchange of mail between the two nations, that ended shortly before the war began. When tentions reached the snapping point, BOTH nations' governments put out formal declarations of war against the other (this proves that the U.S.A. formally recognized the C.S.A. as an independent, different nation)! Let's face it, Fort Sumter was CLEARLY within C.S.A. jurisdiction. Eventually, the U.S.A. not only won the war, but ravaged the C.S.A.. The C.S.A. was left a broken and burned wasteland. The Usamerican troops did indeed free the slaves (after they had their way with the females), but they freed them into a burned and blackend land. I'm no fan of slavery, but while C.S.A. slaves were being "freed", U.S.A. children were being enslaved in unsafe, unsanitary, very-long-hours industrial work.
How about the Mexican War? What even started that? Texas had gained its independence, but was beginning to show a desire to join the U.S.A.. War broke out between Mexico and The United States, with the United States winning. It was one thing to win the war, but except for Texas, the entire southwestern United States of today was stolen from Mexico in this war! That is classic imperialist expansion!
Not done yet, the U.S.A. declared war on Spain for the mysterious sinking of the U.S. battleship "Maine" that was stationed in Cuba at the time. There were no inquiries and no debate. War was declared, Spain was defeated, and the U.S.A. stole The Phillipines, Cuba, and Puerto Rico. Puppet governments were installed in The Phillipines and Cuba, though the one in Cuba was overthrown. Puerto Rico is still a United States territory.
There are more examples, but you get the idea. Our nation's history isn't the most honorable. Now don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that the U.S.A.'s involvement in W.W.01, W.W.02, The Korean War, The Vietnam War, and Desert Storm were quite honorable, to say the very least. Some of those other wars, though, well, history speaks for itself.
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Post by lithrick on May 31, 2006 13:12:23 GMT -5
The main point I forgot to mention about the war between the U.S.A. and the C.S.A. is the fact that it wasn't enough that the U.S.A. won. The U.S.A. then went on to absorb the C.S.A. in true imperialist fashion. No country has any business taking over another country and assimilating it into their own country!
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llanago
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Post by llanago on Jul 16, 2006 21:28:56 GMT -5
Agreed, lithrick with just about everything you said. Good post. The things I don't agree with are so minute it doesn't matter. Ever read "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" Intresting little booklet. "The following document, dated May 1979, was found on July 7, 1986, in an IBM copier that had been purchased at a surplus sale." An former Air Force computer allegedly. A friend of mine was in the AF at the time and had a pretty high security clearance. He gave me a copy of it when I first started researching. He'd been telling me stuff and I thought he was nuts! I prettry much "sped read" it and blew it off as the work of a nut for nuts. But couldn't ever really shake it off. So, I ended up reading it again and again and came to the conclusion that even if it was a fraud, it pretty much hit at the truth if one really thinks about it. Social engineering has been practiced by the ruling class of every civilization of every race, color and form from the beginning of time. And what better way to enginneer society than TV! Brilliant! And, almost 30 years later , look where we are. Kinda like the Protocols of the Learn Elders of Zion. Doesn't matter if they are a fraud, or whether they were written by the Jews or the French, just look around and one can see the truth in them. Truth is, we are sunk as a nation unless people start waking up and waking up fast! and that's not likely to happen until to late. It's gonna be a sad day - hope I'm dead and gone when it happens. llana www.syti.net/GB/SilentWeaponsGB.html
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Post by docone31 on Jul 17, 2006 11:45:16 GMT -5
Those who control the past, control the future. A facist society, ie, socialism, communism, needs a common enemy to maintain its power, and compliance from the masses. We have always been at war with Eurasia, we have never been at war with Eurasia. For those who can think, be afraid, be very afraid.
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blarneystone
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Post by blarneystone on Jul 17, 2006 14:32:31 GMT -5
I for one will not consider anything that Lithrick has to say as having anything to do with reality. Recent events on this board and the psychotic paranoid rantings of said member completely discredit anything he has to say or has ever said in the past. In fact I'm surprised to see him back on the board.
I won't bother to argue against the points he's made in his last post because he's not capable of civilized debate without name calling, IE; 'mindless conformists, lemmings, Etc... All the while he keeps insisting that his brother has done research into these conspiracy theories which he will someday present to all of us "Mindless Lemmings' so that we may see the light.
While I certainly agree that Democracy must be diligently defended and am willing to entertain the possibility of conspiracies and the like. I will not tolerate the type of behavior which Lithrick displays on a consistent basis....and will continue to 'remind' everyone of his previous antics here....
While he may seem lucid right now... just give it a couple of days.... or hours...
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Post by pho on Jul 17, 2006 21:40:06 GMT -5
Actually Blarney...I do not beleive he really left. I think he signed up under a new name. I do hope Mark will ban him when he starts up again.....
Pho
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Post by docone31 on Jul 17, 2006 22:12:03 GMT -5
Hey, he is fun. He fools me very time. I actually give some credence to what he writes and sometimes respond. He is harmless. It is like petting a stray dog. They'll follow you home. There sure were some cages rattled.
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Post by drahcir on Jul 19, 2009 21:47:11 GMT -5
All, I, LithRick, did indeed leave; completely. Recently, I have returned for the purposes of talking rock, but I do not wish to hide behind a new username. The program would not allow me to re-register under the username "LithRick" as it is still registered as a "being used" name. Hence, I came up with the simple username "Drachir", which is just "Richard" spelled backwards. It isn't very creative; I know. It took me a while to refind this old thread. I bring it to You-All's attention only to let you know that "Drachir" and "LithRick" are one and the same; I've no desire to hide. I also have no desire to pursue this thread anymore. Again, I have unEarthed it only as an identifier. I will engage in the thread if others wish it, but I'd really rather communicate about rocks and lapidary. You Folks are doing some wonderful things with stone out there, and that's the real reason I am here. I still have no modern computer of my own at home, and the library computers which I rely on will not allow me to access this forum as the library's current protective computer program blocks out all online communicative communities. I rarely get access to a computer on which I am free to join this forum, so if you send a query, it may take quite a long time for me to be able to respond. --Rick
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Post by Woodyrock on Jul 22, 2009 3:34:52 GMT -5
Folks....many of may know that I am a dual citizen Canadian/American. I served in the US Navy during the conflict in Viet Nam, during which, I was on a US Marine fire base in the mountains of I Corp that was nearly over run by by the North Vietnamese one night. The Marines put the national anthem on the loud speaker that night whilst the bombs were actually bursting in air. To this day tears come to my eyes when I hear the national anthem. Woody BTW I will gladly go to jail for my actions if I see someone burn our flag.
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Post by snowdog on Jul 22, 2009 17:43:36 GMT -5
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