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Post by Michael John on Jan 2, 2008 20:37:27 GMT -5
Doing some search-surfing, I've found some vague references to agate, jasper, pet palm, and amethyst just over the California border from me, within about 20-30 miles. The references are VERY vague, though ... not enough to give me even a rough idea of where to look.
I was just wondering if anyone here may have been to Tecopa, Shoshone, or Sperry Wash for rockhounding. If so, any help that you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by AGATEGRRRL on Jan 3, 2008 10:48:15 GMT -5
Hi Michael, I've never been to any of those locations, but Tecopa is well known for it's precious opal. I know I've seen directions for that area - I think it is listed in one of the California gem trail guides. I'll see if I can find it & email you some directions. Patti
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 3, 2008 11:37:16 GMT -5
Howdy Michael, Long ago I did the Tecopa and Sperry Wash trips from Mary Francis Strong's 1971 Desert Gem Trails book. Just followed the maps and found both areas but, as the book said, the Tecopa opal nodules, while very fiery and interesting, had very small opal filled areas and the Sperry Wash area is huge and the palm was scarce even 30 years ago. The palm is spectacular though and worth the hunt. I have seen a couple of fantastic pieces that have come from there in the last 20 years so I guess if you're persistent, there are still good hunks to be found....Mel
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Post by Michael John on Jan 3, 2008 15:54:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies!
I read about the opal. From what I gather, it's teenie pieces in matrix, and most say it's not worth the bother.
I've also read about the pet palm wood in Sperry Wash. The problem (?) is that I looked at Sperry Wash on Google Earth, and it's miles long. I was hoping that someone might know approximately WHERE in the wash it is. It would take days to search the whole wash.
I've also read about some "cliff" that's somewhere near the Tecopa Hot Springs where there's alledgedly a LOT of Amethyst. Anyone happen to know where-abouts that is, in relation to the hot springs?
If you were to look on a map, Shoshone, Tecopa, and Sperry Wash are within close proximity to each other. Does anyone know if there's any agate to be found in that area, or maybe sorta close to that area?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm hoping to have a little better idea of where to look when I drive down there. I've been on a lot of wild goose chases around here, trying to find stuff that supposedly exists. I think some of the rockhounding stories that people post on the internet are kinda like fishing stories ... if ya catch my drift ... so I'm hoping to hear from real experiences LOL.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 3, 2008 20:52:50 GMT -5
Michael: We followed the Strong book milege exactly. Have the book in front of me now and it says the palm area begins 10.5 miles from where you turn into the Armagosa River canyon off Hwy 127. You follow the wash to the east just after the old Sperry Station ruins. Of course this is an old book and has a more precise road log which is probably no longer any good. I know when we drove in, lots of the instructions didn't seem real good. As I recall, You also had to hike up out of the wash for the palm. Been like 30 years or more so I can't remember a lot about that trip except it looked like rain and we were real nervous about being in that canyon bottom if it started coming down *L*. The road log for the Kingston Amethyst Mine from the book is as follows: Drive east from Tecopa into the Kingston range for 20.5 miles to the summit. From the summit to the turnoff is one mile. Book says if you go through a cattle guard and see a spring and trees you've gone too far. The turnoff you're looking for is supposedly obscure and runs south to a camp area. Hiking trail runs sw from the campsite to two amethyst locations. I've never tried this trip because to me, the road log seem vague as no milages are given after you turn off to the south....Mel
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Post by invisibleuser on Jan 4, 2008 14:18:45 GMT -5
It might pay off to do a little research before you go. Some of these places are no longer available to collectors for various reasons. Could save yourself a lot of time. Try and contact a local rock club in the area you wish to visit. You could get some valuable info from them.
Steve
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Post by Michael John on Jan 4, 2008 15:14:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there IS no local rock club here anymore. From what I gather, the people in Vegas mostly hound in Utah. I'm searching the internet for every clue I can find, plus Google Earth is an excellent tool. I'm only like 30-45 minutes from the area I'm asking about, but there's a LOT of area to cover down there, so I don't want to waste gas driving around aimlessly. If I had a dirt bike, I'd just ride it down there, but I don't.
I think I've solved the pet palm wood issue. Sperry Wash is just south of the date ranch ... DUH! Date palms have been growing in a lot of the washes between Tecopah and Sperry Wash since B.C., so I'm guessing that I can probably look in any of the washes with date palms in them and find pet palm.
I've found a couple of references indicating that there are some places to get Chrysocolla in the Tecopa area. That would be cool, if it's different than the stuff at my mine, and especially if it's easier to get to it.
Another place I'll definately be checking-out is Turquoise Mountain, which is down by Baker. From what I gather, very little of it is claimed, and you WILL get turquoise if you go there. Judging by what I see on Google Earth, it looks like it's easily accessible, too.
My next search is to try to find the exact location / directions to those amethysts.
I've still had no luck in finding a place to collect agates. They seem to be everywhere in the US except around here LOL.
Again, thanks for your help!
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Post by geogoddess on Jan 4, 2008 20:24:00 GMT -5
There's gotta be agates around here somewhere (I'm in Vegas).... all this quartz sandstone.. and springs...
*thinks*
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Post by Michael John on Jan 7, 2008 3:57:28 GMT -5
So where do you go hounding, Geo? Over in Utah?
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Post by geogoddess on Jan 7, 2008 12:41:44 GMT -5
I haven't really, that's why I'm watching this thread. My nose has been too stuck to the grindstone at work. Never knowing when I'll have a full weekend off, and I don't have a 4-wheel drive vehicle. The most recent rocks I've picked up were down in the hills south of Henderson, basalts.
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Post by rallyrocks on Jan 7, 2008 15:17:48 GMT -5
You Vegas folks aren't all that far from the Burro Creek area in Az, lots of nice agates down that way! Well OK it is a good 3-4 hours, but if you really are all that hot to collect agates, you can't miss at Burro Creek.
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Post by geogoddess on Jan 7, 2008 15:38:47 GMT -5
I noticed on the Las Vegas mineral society or whatever they are calling it.... they do go to burro creek on occasion...
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Post by Michael John on Jan 7, 2008 17:46:24 GMT -5
Rallyrocks, Burro Creek is way down by Tucson, which is about a 7-8 hour drive, one way. I'm hoping to find some nice agate much closer, like within an hour's drive.
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Post by rallyrocks on Jan 7, 2008 18:07:52 GMT -5
Actually Burro Creek is a lot closer than you think, it's between Wickenburg and Wikiup on 93 southeast of Kingman.
Even with the 15 miles of dirt road off the highway up to the agate fields, you are no more than 4 hours away from more agate than you can fit in your truck, I don't care how big your truck is, (although BLM rules say no more than 250 lb per person).
More than within an hour's drive though- you are right about that.... heck Pahrump is more than an hour to anywhere isn't it, even Tecopa is 1:06, ouch! sorry about that....
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Post by mike4bears on Jan 7, 2008 18:18:17 GMT -5
well this might not be quite where your talking about. but you do have the red rock canyon area. i have got some nice agates there and jasper. and even a opal. it had green fire. mike
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Post by turnedstone on Jan 7, 2008 21:02:03 GMT -5
Hi Miichaeljohn I do not know if I can help any at all I have one area that says it has Ulexite(aka cats eye)its in the Shoshone area. I also found a listing for some agate in the death valley junction area off SR-127.If you are interested in more info. pm me or shout out here and I will give you more info. on either of the 2 locations. George
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Post by Michael John on Jan 7, 2008 22:38:44 GMT -5
Mike4bears, Red rock is a National Conservation area. Per the BLM, "To protect resources, please do not collect plants, rock specimens, fossils, or disturb the wildlife in the Red Rock Canyon NCA."
Maybe stuffing a few in your pocket wouldn't hurt anything, but actually "collecting" would likely get you a ticket, if you were caught.
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Post by mike4bears on Jan 7, 2008 23:29:47 GMT -5
i thought i said red rock canyon area. was not talking about the park. which i like to say is the land of uselessness. well that just my opinion. mike
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Post by Michael John on Jan 7, 2008 23:52:55 GMT -5
Mike, I gotta agree with you on the "useless lands" policies. Although I can understand the reasoning for protecting lands, I think the government often over-steps their bounds on public use.
I tried some collecting just outside that area before, and it wasn't what I consider fruitful. If you know some specific areas to look, that would be cool.
George, yeah, if you could give me the info on those two places, I'd love to check them out. Given all of the mountains around here, I figure there's gotta be some good agate around. I just haven't found it yet.
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Post by turnedstone on Jan 8, 2008 21:30:29 GMT -5
This is the Death valley Junction area WELL AS I READ THE DIRECTIONS TO THIS ONE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. So i will give you what it says maybe you can find it if you find the road lol. 6.5 miles southwest and southeast on SR-127 to Deadman Pass road on right; collect float on southwest and south along both sides of the latter road; agate good quality found on the surface or in the soil look in any washes, gullies, ravines,draws , or ditches you may see. This is the Shoshone cats eye 1.75 miles north on SR-127 to left turn onto SR-178;5,2 miles west on 178 to fork; bear right onto Greenwater valley road; collect for 20 miles in wash along the west side of this road. It is found in fibrous masses. Look for a mine in the area look in the mine dumps.Hope you can use the info. it is out of Earth Treasures by Allen W. Eckert it is a 4 volume collection of the whole U.S. and it just went back into print. George
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