"Metaphysical Properties" of Stones

Oddly enough, the one thing that made me a bit less of a skeptic when it comes to some things that might be considered 'metaphysical' was not anything at all metaphysical itself - it was purely scientific. It was the theory behind electricity, electronics and magnetism that really got me wondering about some things.

Take a basic accepted tenet of electricity - it is neither created nor destroyed. It may change state (from static, at rest, to kinetic, in motion), but it never ceases to exist.

Then take the basic medical definition of life - it is not a heartbeat, or respiration - you can be 'dead' while still having both. It is primarily coherent brain wave activity that pretty well defines life in the medical realm.

So, if brain waves = life, and brain waves are electrical in nature, and electricity can't be destroyed...does this then hint at the possible provable existence of the soul? Maybe - maybe not - but since apparitions don't have anything solid to hook an EEG to, we're probably not going to be able to measure whether there is still coherent and cohesive electrical impulses involved with the phenomena that are called ghosts anytime soon. If someone ever makes an EEG-like device that can read a living human's brain wave activity from several feet away (discarding all the other electronic 'noise' that our world generates in the process, quite a tall order), then something like that might be able to prove or disprove ghosts as well. Until then, some will believe and some will not, and there's nothing concrete to say either side is right or wrong.

Michaeljohn, your explanation of chakra tuning (which I knew nothing about myself) actually doesn't sound quite as far-fetched as you might think. Ever studied any radio theory, in specific crystal tuners used in radio transmitters/receivers? The same crystal can produce quite a spectrum of different frequencies, by nothing more than tiny changes in the level of physical stress put on them, or electrical energy used to stimulate them. We (human beings) certainly produce electricity (and where there is kinetic electrical energy, there is also magnetism), and one can certainly hold a crystal more or less tightly - possibly until it just feels 'right'. Is that proof of anything, of course not - but at the same time it doesn't seem to conflict significantly with what is known about crystals as used in electronic applications either.

I still say that there is a whole lot that we just don't know. Are there fakers and shams in the crystal world, oh, I'm 100% sure there are. No doubt in my mind on that at all. There are fakers and shams in the medical world, the financial world, and even the scientific world as well. But their existence doesn't make a sham of the entire realm they're inhabiting. It's just that we have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff in the realms that we know the most about, where there is no such ability to separate the same in realms we don't know anything (provable) about.

Hocus, Pocus.... I've cured you with this rock.
That'll be $100.
NEXT!!!!!!!!!

that will be 100$...hahahahaha ;D.

when cp and me was talking bout science projects a while back....he brought up this dude...marcel vogel...but it was a little to complicated to understand at first...and for the time frame needed.

do i beleive...nope...not as of now....but who knows...maybe they are on to something...kev.

meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Other/crystal_skull.htm

I had a friend stop in my shop and ask for a piece of rough amethyst. He said another friend of his had been diagnosed with stomach cancer and had heard that amethyst would help. So I GAVE a piece away. If someone believes that it will help who am I to say no. If having a rock in your pocket gives you some piece of mind good for you. I don't have all the answers never will and I know there are things that work and defy explanation.

Although a lot of VERY nice and comforting things have been told by many here whom I know from their years of posting to be wonderful people, still nothing has been said which strengthens the case for rocks actually having the metaphysical powers claimed by "the new age crowd". Many have mentioned strange experiences with crystals, some of which ARE fact, but none of these phenomenon correlate with proven physical or psychological benefits.

Have you seen all of the hokey, outlandish claims made about the "miraculous powers" of rocks? It's absolutely ridiculous! Just go to any of the "new age" sites which sell rocks and see for yourself!

Here's a great example ... Chrysocolla. These are some of the claims made about it's metaphysical benefits:

* Encourages harmony, neutrality, clarity, and tranquility
* Cleanses and purifies the home
* Releases tension
* Calms and balances emotions
* Eliminates negativity and doubt
* Assists in communications, internally and externally
* Opens one's mind to creativity, free thinking, and free will
* Promotes compassion
* Allows forgiveness
* Replaces guilt with understanding
* Replaces depression with inner strength
* Brings about polarity integration
* Helps one to be more in-tune with the earth
* Replenishes the will to act responsibly
* Encourages the developement of intuition
* Promotes the global developement of unconditional love

Guess where I copied that from, to paste here ... MY OWN eBay Guide about Chrysocolla! Where did I get that load of utter nonsense? It's a compilation directly taken from various "new age" rip-off sites on the internet. I included it in my Guide so that maybe some of the "new agers" would buy my Chrysocolla at a fair market price instead of getting ripped-off by "new age" predators. However, to my knowledge, nobody has bought my Chrysocolla for anything other than lapidary use. Probably because my Chrysocolla hasn't been "Reiki Charged"? LMAO

I wonder if these "new age" peddlers are descendents of the guys who used to drive their covered wagons from town to town, peddling Snake Oil...

Please don't take offense michaeljohn & others, but do those of you that are arguing against have an engineering background? I do so I understand exactly what you are saying and I agree theres no scientific evidence and thats fine. However, what I don't understand is the tendency of engineers, myself included, to need scientific proof for everything. As I've aged I've become more tolerant of folks that believe in things such as the metaphysical effects that have been discussed. Please try to look at both sides. I've haven't seen any scientific evidence presented pro or con. Just because you don't believe in something theres no need to ask for proof that you already know doesn't exist either way. I'm an engineer and I believe in God, but I don't need proof that he exists.

i dont care 1 way or the other ;D....fanatic...ya wanna know about engineering...what would you like to know ;D....do you want me to start throwing formulas?...do you want complicated trig problems? ;D...oh ya i can provide all...i spend all of my time with engineers....i work with some of the foremost engineers in the world.

nuclear engineers. electrical engineers, hydraulic engineers, hydrostatic engineers....just to name a few....so dont start getting off because you are an engineer.

i have meet some engineers....that are the smartest...dumbasses i have ever met.

in other words dont give us the ....im an engineer routine....it means not a lot....kev..

Calx, rocks and crystals are simply forms of matter vibrating at specific rates. Energy aggregates into the building blocks of matter. Within the quarks, atoms, molecules and so forth, energy is omnipresent, in continuous motion, continuous vibration. This energy is actually infinite, existing in every form of matter, anti-matter, space, light, etc., interconnecting each and all. That is pretty much scientific fact, but when looked at in this perspective, it seems "metaphysical", but is actually grounded in the basic understandings of physics and science in general. To think that some of the stones we carve are millions of years old, but they have been vibrating the whole time, sheesh. The realization of this interconnectedness can remove the need for a belief system, it being replaced with understanding.



At least that's what I believe, ahem, understand

After much thought, research, and soul searching, I've decided to cast-aside my worldly, evil ways and seek to fulfill my true destiny. I'm dedicating the rest of my life to helping others, the best way that I possibly can. When I experienced a spiritual awakening last night, I immediately siezed a flashlight and headed-out to the surrounding desert to round-up evil serpents. I'm proud to present to you, my very first bottle of magic elixir!



With bottle in hand, I went to town and recruited my first salesman!



Until I can produce enough of my product to fulfill the anticipated monumental demand, I'll be offering another product which will undoubtedly help to increase the quality of life for all of my new age bretheren.



I feel better already! Don't you???