"Metaphysical Properties" of Stones

Here is your proof..............gravity............. google gravity and press the I'm feeling lucky.

Here's a link that will explain the meta in the physical rock or anything else. If you really think about this; even if you don't understand all the math (like me) it is profound.

My final point for consideration (I did some cutting and pasting of some info I researched; I'm not nearly as smart as this sounds)(and it may not sound in the least bit smart to some)

Perception is defined as the way that the brain organizes, interprets, and integrates the various stimuli being received. Compared to sensation, perception deals with sensory information at a higher, more abstract level. When we talk meta physics we are taking about anything beyond the physical. The posts got down right specific to what I call "sensitive" peoples perceptions. As this is information at a more abstract level it is hard to "test". Two people can see the same painting and walk away with a completly different interpretation of what the painting is about and what the artist was trying to communicate. Which one is right; which one is wrong. I say neither. I will try to put it another way.
Let us compare the sensory and perceptional ability of the human brain versus that of modern robots. As far as sensation goes, robots have far surpassed the ability of the human nervous system. Robots can have sensors that are more sensitive and more varied than humans. I can make a ring, but my limits are seen as something hand crafted. A robot; computer with a robotic arm can create something precise; almost perfect circles; tolerances that can not be detected by the human eye. But even with advanced sensory ability, robots have not yet surpassed the human mind in perceptional ability. The power of computers and advanced software is slowly increasing the capacity of robots to integrate various senses into a useful perception of reality, but the human mind still reigns supreme in that respect. I can put together colors and patterns that can evoke an emotional response a level computers can not reach. While even the biggest computer has a capacity of around 10,000,000,000,000 bytes (10 to the power of 12), the human brain has a colossal 10 followed by 8,432 noughts, say the scientists who made the calculations in the journal Brain and Mind.

One part of the brain (to illustrate that there are other things in our head beside the part that thinks)

The Amygdala

The amygdala is a small, almond-shaped mass of nuclei located between the temporal lobes and right next to the hippocampus. It receives sensory input from all the body's senses via pathways from the related areas in the brain. As well as working together with the limbic system to make you feel general emotions, the amygdala produces the "fear" reaction and the well-known fight-or-flight response. Being quite well designed and situated for the instantaneousness of the "fear" response, the amygdala's main nervous outputs lead to the brainstem and the hypothalamus, so the feeling of fear is able to influence bodily functions that occur below the level of consciousness such as heart rate and adrenaline levels.

Fear, because of the body's unique response to the feeling, is one of the most important evolutionary emotions. When faced with a dangerous situation, the amygdala makes us feel afraid or panic, and, as a result, our heart rate goes up and adrenaline is pumped through the body. This response is actually an activation of the sympathetic nervous system, which automatically makes us temporarily stronger and able to act quickly or run away, should a predator be attacking. Thousands of years ago, when the human was evolving into what it is today, people with a well-developed fear response were more likely to successfully evade predators or defeat enemies. Today, however, it means that sometimes people are stricken with phobias that are very difficult to deal with, because the root of fear is not in the logic-based cerebrum, but the completely emotional amygdala.

My point is that there is more going on in your "brain world" than our conscious thoughts. A lot of it gets filtered before it gets there some of it is never intended to get to our consciousness. If we need to focus on our breathing in order to do it we would surely screw it up and die. (That was me being funny ;D)

So we got our thoughts and science that we use to figure stuff out empirically and we got other stuff going on like emotions that we can't control (100%) by our thinking and put into a test tube and look at. What does fear look like? What instrument can measure it? It certainly exists.

My thought is that the perceptions of people working with the metaphysics in rocks that deal with the psychological and emotion/ health benefits is a lot like dreams. Somehow some people can get sensory information from a rock (I think of string theory for the how). It is somehow processed in the brain like emotions and people try to put into words what they are feeling. As no one has a universal point of reference; peoples individual dream like logic comes into play. When you go back through history and find references to this subject you find that people for thousands of years have commented about this topic (there is nothing "new age" about it) and what people experienced thousands of years ago is similar to what people feel today. Not proof of anything, but can you prove to me that dreams are a real experience. Can you live without dreaming; no, dreaming is essential to your continued sanity. We all dream; so we don't make fun of someone who talks about their dreams. Some how sleep, dreaming are integrated into your physiological being and wellness. When of think of the metaphysics of rocks like dreaming it does not seem so crazy to me.

Some stuff is poisonous (as one member pointed out) and since breathing in copper dust will make everyone sick and we can cut people open and scientifically show they had more copper in their system we can prove it made them sick. Case closed.

I could go on, but I just wanted to put out some factual stuff that is not mainstream for people to know about. And I wanted to try tossing out a personal theory I think about and revise as I learn new stuff. This is by no means an endorsement to not seeking a doctors help and go running to your tumblers to cure all your ills ;D

And right there's the fine line. Of course we all dream, but the healthy (sane) individual understands his dreams for what they are-- fantastical visions where the mind plays unhindered while the body rests. Supremetroll sounds like he's lost his marbles out in the back yard and is waiting for the fairies to come and play with them.

Sigh, here we go again. Yes, science doesn't know everything. Yes, you can't put fear in a test tube and measure it. Yes, we dream and the reasons aren't fully understood. But none of that gives any support to the idea of supposed metaphysical properties of stones.

To take common human experiences that cannot be measured in a laboratory but are experienced by everyone (dreaming, emotions), then confuse the arguement with a bunch of jumbled up science, and suggest that this then supports the notion of stone metaphysics, because it also can't be measured in a lab, just doesn't make sense.

Science can't predict what is the fastest time a human will ever run a distance of 100 metres. So since science can't predict the ultimate limits to human locomotion, does that then support the idea that some people can fly like birds, because science can't predict limits to human locomotion? That too is just confused "logic".
-Don

That math is an interesting pun. Doesn't change that fact that they each have some dollars and that one had honest intentions and one was dishonest and the rockhounds believed that they got an unexpected return of money. Not having the math work out to the most finite decimal and not understanding what actually causes gravity didn't stop NASA from going to the moon. It is funny how the efforts to understand gravity began in ancient times. Philosophers in ancient India explained the phenomenon from the 8th century BC. According to Kanada, founder of the Vaisheshika school, "Weight causes falling; it is imperceptible and known by inference. Newton sees an apple fall from a tree (weight falling) and he discovers it; he came up with a mathmatical formula (genius). It took how many thousands of years to get from weight falling to a mathmatical formula. And this formula can't be rectified down to the last dollar. That is why they have string theory and M theory. Still not provable, but considered to be an advance in the right direction one people have been working on since the 8th century BC. All I am trying to point out is that there is something beyond the physical thing we touch all of the mass of the earth is causing gravity. Every time we pick something up it is part of that equation. metaphusika, from Greek (Ta) meta (ta) phusika, (the works) after the Physics, the title of Aristotle's treatise on first principles (so called because it followed his work on physics) : meta, after; see meta- + phusika, physics; after the physics.

Aristotle's Metaphysics was divided into three parts, in addition to some smaller sections related to a philosophical lexicon and some reprinted extracts from the Physics, which are now regarded as the proper branches of traditional Western metaphysics:

Ontology
The study of Being and existence; includes the definition and classification of entities, physical or mental, the nature of their properties, and the nature of change.
Natural Theology
The study of God; involves many topics, including among others the nature of religion and the world, existence of the divine, questions about Creation, and the numerous religious or spiritual issues that concern humankind in general.
Universal science
The study of first principles, which Aristotle believed to be the foundation of all other inquiries. An example of such a principle is the law of noncontradiction and the status it holds in non-paraconsistent logics.

This I cut and pasted it explains the space time continuum. The fact that time slows in response to mass was not accounted for in Newton's mathematical formula. (If I am understanding what I am reading on the subject.)

The concept of spacetime combines space and time within a single coordinate system, typically with 4 dimensions: length, width, height, and time. Dimensions are components of a coordinate grid typically used to locate a point in space, or on the globe, such as by latitude, longitude and planet (Earth). However, with spacetime, the coordinate grid is used to locate "events" (rather than just points in space), so time is added as another dimension to the grid.

Formerly, from experiments at slow speeds, time was believed to be a constant, which progressed at a fixed rate; however, later high-speed experiments revealed that time slowed down at higher speeds (with such slowing called "time dilation"). Many experiments have confirmed the slowing from time dilation, such as atomic clocks onboard a Space Shuttle running slower than synchronized Earth-bound clocks. Since time varies, it is treated as a variable within the spacetime coordinate grid, and time is no longer assumed to be a constant, independent of the location in space.

Note that treating spacetime events with the 4 dimensions (including time) is the conventional view; however, other invented coordinate grids treat time as 3 additional dimensions, with length-time, width-time, and height-time, to accompany the 3 dimensions of space. When dimensions are understood as mere components of the grid system, rather than physical attributes of space, it is easier to understand the alternate dimensional views, such as: latitude, longitude, plus Greenwich Mean Time (3 dimensions), or city, state, postal code, country, and UTC time (5 dimensions). The various dimensions are chosen, depending on the coordinate grid used.

The term spacetime has taken on a generalized meaning with the advent of higher-dimensional theories. How many dimensions are needed to describe the universe is still an open question. Speculative theories such as string theory predict 10 or 26 dimensions (with M-theory predicting 11 dimensions; 10 spatial and 1 temporal)

Wow - I didn't mean to redraw the lines. I just thought it was humerous that the ebay seller made the statement that the energy of the "crystal" felt heavy...when he placed a 3 pound rock in the middle of his head.