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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:23:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that Proboards owns the content here, and would think that anything from here and reposted elsewhere would lead interested folks here. Maybe posting it elsewhere isn't proper internet etiquette, I don't know ... It's more involved than etiquette. It's unethical business practice to usurp the work of others for personal gain. Offering nothing in return is egregious. Please don't defend this form of spam. He did not steal my build thread. Had he done so I would be pursuing further actions. At very minimum the (my) images are copyrighted. In technical legal form at my photohost; Flickr. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:24:09 GMT -5
Shotgunner, Hey wipe that foam off your mouth. The citations are apparently there. They all lead back to this site. They are helping people find info that is already open to the public, and no feeling should have been hurt in the posting of the information on homemadetools.net I like the dispersal of information to a wider audience and we will undoubtedly benefit from info flowing back. Just my opinion. Nope. He mentions in text format this site. Does not offer link back. Please see my posts above. |
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Post by Tommy on Apr 16, 2017 16:27:18 GMT -5
homemadetools welcome to RTH - while I appreciate your proactive use of RTH information on your site I'm very concerned about three issues that it raises. 1. Consent - each member whose project you have featured posted their information on THIS site - at very minimum they must approve having their intellectual property used in such a manner on a 3rd party website. 2. Lack of links back to RTH - assuming this is all on the up and up I would say at the very minimum the project must link back to RTH where it was posted. Secondly with this since you are listing the RTH member by name and it's a text link - that text link needs to point to the member's profile in this the native site where the project was posted. 3. Our forum resides in the www.proboards.com website and I'm very concerned about whether or not our awareness of and/or approval of what you have done here is a violation of the Proboards Terms of Service. In particular this section: I don't know how you harvested project data from 2695 independent forums but to have done so would be an enormous task and my first thought would be a data collection robot etc. As a course of action at the *very* minimum I would ask you to fix the links on every RTH posted project you are displaying on your site. Links should come to our site when clicked on and the project owner's name (if it is to remain a link) needs to link to their profile here on RTH. If this can't be remedied then please take us off your site. If the links are fixed, I will contact support at Proboards and inquire about the validity of how you are using the information. Thanks for understanding. Tommy
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Post by MrP on Apr 16, 2017 16:55:31 GMT -5
homemadetools welcome to RTH - while I appreciate your proactive use of RTH information on your site I'm very concerned about three issues that it raises. 1. Consent - each member whose project you have featured posted their information on THIS site - at very minimum they must approve having their intellectual property used in such a manner on a 3rd party website. 2. Lack of links back to RTH - assuming this is all on the up and up I would say at the very minimum the project must link back to RTH where it was posted. Secondly with this since you are listing the RTH member by name and it's a text link - that text link needs to point to the member's profile in this the native site where the project was posted. 3. Our forum resides in the www.proboards.com website and I'm very concerned about whether or not our awareness of and/or approval of what you have done here is a violation of the Proboards Terms of Service. In particular this section: I don't know how you harvested project data from 2695 independent forums but to have done so would be an enormous task and my first thought would be a data collection robot etc. As a course of action at the *very* minimum I would ask you to fix the links on every RTH posted project you are displaying on your site. Links should come to our site when clicked on and the project owner's name (if it is to remain a link) needs to link to their profile here on RTH. If this can't be remedied then please take us off your site. If the links are fixed, I will contact support at Proboards and inquire about the validity of how you are using the information. Thanks for understanding. Tommy Please do not give him any permission, which you haven't yet, to post my pics or link to me! I looked through what he had and would have been pi$$ed if I would have seen my picture there. I posted for this site and it's members not so some thief can harvest it for there benefit................................MrP |
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Post by captbob on Apr 16, 2017 17:28:30 GMT -5
All the internet etiquette & legal stuff aside, this information could be used as a nice starter kit (template) for an area here of member builds. Maybe a sticky thread or section where all the posted builds could be found. Many more out there that weren't included on that site.
It was nice seeing member builds from years past that I had forgotten about. Be very cool if they were all so easy to find here.
Yes, folks post threads with their builds from time to time, but they sink and disappear from view quickly.
Just a thought.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 16, 2017 17:33:09 GMT -5
All the internet etiquette & legal stuff aside, this information could be used as a nice starter kit (template) for an area here of member builds. Maybe a sticky thread or section where all the posted builds could be found. Many more out there that weren't included on that site. It was nice seeing member builds from years past that I had forgotten about. Be very cool if they were all so easy to find here. Yes, folks post threads with their builds from time to time, but they sink and disappear from view quickly. Just a thought. That's true! Now that would be a cool add-on page - full of homemade machine projects with a nice photo visual link... I'mma look into it  Might have to wait till PB rolls out v6 soon - lots of changes might come undone when they do that. |
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Post by captbob on Apr 16, 2017 17:42:02 GMT -5
Might want to grab all those links and store them away while they are still there, save you a bunch of searching someday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:07:38 GMT -5
Might want to grab all those links and store them away while they are still there, save you a bunch of searching someday. There are none!! That's the point! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:12:33 GMT -5
homemadetools welcome to RTH - while I appreciate your proactive use of RTH information on your site I'm very concerned about three issues that it raises. 1. Consent - each member whose project you have featured posted their information on THIS site - at very minimum they must approve having their intellectual property used in such a manner on a 3rd party website. 2. Lack of links back to RTH - assuming this is all on the up and up I would say at the very minimum the project must link back to RTH where it was posted. Secondly with this since you are listing the RTH member by name and it's a text link - that text link needs to point to the member's profile in this the native site where the project was posted. 3. Our forum resides in the www.proboards.com website and I'm very concerned about whether or not our awareness of and/or approval of what you have done here is a violation of the Proboards Terms of Service. In particular this section: I don't know how you harvested project data from 2695 independent forums but to have done so would be an enormous task and my first thought would be a data collection robot etc. As a course of action at the *very* minimum I would ask you to fix the links on every RTH posted project you are displaying on your site. Links should come to our site when clicked on and the project owner's name (if it is to remain a link) needs to link to their profile here on RTH. If this can't be remedied then please take us off your site. If the links are fixed, I will contact support at Proboards and inquire about the validity of how you are using the information. Thanks for understanding. Tommy Please do not give him any permission, which you haven't yet, to post my pics or link to me! I looked through what he had and would have been pi$$ed if I would have seen my picture there. I posted for this site and it's members not so some thief can harvest it for there benefit................................MrP Exactly. And this isn't about netiquette nor legalities. It's about traffic. He is using our content to drive traffic to his website, without compensation. Certainly, there was major discussion about lost external links if Tommy changed domain. Well captbob, here is a terrific source of external links using our own content, that is being lost. If he were to give links in return, then we all win. He gets traffic and so do we. Until then, eff him and his bullshit traffic theft. And MrP good on you for protecting your IP!! Use it where you desire! |
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Apr 16, 2017 19:19:10 GMT -5
I am not sure what you guys mean about no link back to RTH. In the link below there is a URL hotlink listed and if you click the photo it brings you right to the post on this forum. Still not sure what I think about the whole concept but the links are certainly there. The original builder also gets credit where it says "builder" www.homemadetools.net/homemade-slab-saw-8Chuck |
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Post by Peruano on Apr 16, 2017 19:50:37 GMT -5
Yep, the one reference I checked, had an automatic link back to our site and the article involved if you clicked on the title, no the author. What could be more fair from my point of view. I post my stuff to be read, not to be hoarded.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 16, 2017 20:43:59 GMT -5
OK yes it's working now - they must be building content as they go. When I clicked on the photos links earlier it looped back to itself. Now it goes into a profile that has a link if you scroll down to see it. Yep, the one reference I checked, had an automatic link back to our site and the article involved if you clicked on the title, no the author. What could be more fair from my point of view. I post my stuff to be read, not to be hoarded. I respect your opinion Tom - I have mixed feelings about finding SEVENTY TWO of our posts copied and pasted on a 3rd party website with no permission having been asked or granted. I'm checking with Proboards to find out if it is causing us to violate our ToS. Their first response was not very promising. |
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Post by captbob on Apr 16, 2017 21:14:33 GMT -5
OK yes it's working now - they must be building content as they go. I'm checking with Proboards to find out if it is causing us to violate our ToS. Their first response was not very promising. I went and looked at many of the threads hours ago when that link to the RTH builds was first posted. Had to highlight the link on his page and click open in new window, but all builds had links back to here clearly posted there. Tommy, how could you be violating the ToS if someone else reposted threads from here? That's out of your control. Also not sure Proboards is gonna give a rat's butt, or if you even want to bring attention to such. I still don't understand the being upset as there are links and the builder is credited. Also seems a way to get folks to come here, but I have no idea what kinda traffic that site gets - didn't bother to look at anything other than the builds from here. Guess from some of the reactions here that some folks wouldn't want their threads copied and maybe some wouldn't care. Don't know if this an internet etiquette or legal issue, or whether it's even a battle worth fighting. I've no skin in this game, so nothing else to add. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 22:52:25 GMT -5
Yes.
I see a link now.
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Post by homemadetools on Apr 17, 2017 0:15:15 GMT -5
To clarify: every listing links back to this website 3 times (the image is a link, the title is a link, and the full clickable url link is shown in the "URL" field on the page). Every builder is credited with his own build page (example: www.homemadetools.net/builder/spicer+m ), and every website is credited with a page including all of its builds. There is no copy-pasting or bots; a real person hunts the web for homemade tools, then writes a sentence or two about them. We send out a lot of traffic, and we're known on 350+ DIY forums (proof: www.homemadetools.net/links ). Nevertheless, if anyone ever didn't want us to link to them, we would remove their tools instantly. The last time we removed a tool it was due to a legal complaint from a patent holder. That being said, I've seen plenty of sketchy scammers and spammers in my years of running forums. It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical, and I'm happy to present our bona fide credentials. This is a good site with lots of ingenious tool builds. Your work is probably linked to on various websites around the internet, and we're proud to be one of them. |
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Post by parfive on Apr 17, 2017 0:37:20 GMT -5
Wonder how many thousands of links and pics and excerpts of various and sundry shit have been posted here on RTH without proper attribution and or permission?
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Post by parfive on Apr 17, 2017 0:39:05 GMT -5
A few years back, someone on Bob’s Rock Shop asked about slabbing ends and heels
and Glenn Archer all the way in Western Australia posted a link to my No cost slab grabber.
The nerve o’ that guy‼‼‼
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 17, 2017 8:00:21 GMT -5
My tumbler build is linked on that site. Over ten years ago I started searching the web for ideas on building my own tumbler. The search led me here, where I lurked for a year before joining. I studied other people's home-built tumblers and came up with a simple design they would work well for me. Nearly all the information I used to build my tumbler came from here.
If I had come up with some new concept that was patent-worthy, I probably would not have posted my build.
I have no problem with others being able to do as I did, why should I care? I have long viewed people who jealously guard information as being insecure and petty. If this site brings RTH more traffic, what is the downside?
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Post by Tommy on Apr 17, 2017 10:21:50 GMT -5
If I had come up with some new concept that was patent-worthy, I probably would not have posted my build. I have no problem with others being able to do as I did, why should I care? I have long viewed people who jealously guard information as being insecure and petty. If this site brings RTH more traffic, what is the downside? Now that the links issue has been cleared up it's a little different situation - not as sinister as it first appeared. I swear the first time I looked at it I did not see links - when I clicked on the thumbnail picture or username it looped back to the same page. Now it goes into the mini profile and has a link back to the original post. Credit is being given in the form of a link back to the original post here. Still - my opinion is I think it's a bit rude to harvest SEVENTY TWO posts, usernames, and pictures off a forum without saying boo to anyone that it was happening. Maybe he contacted Mark - I have no way of knowing. Ultimately it doesn't appear that there's anything we can do besides if an individual feels wronged about the reposting of their picture they can try to get him to take it down. |
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Post by Tommy on Apr 17, 2017 10:23:52 GMT -5
To clarify: every listing links back to this website 3 times (the image is a link, the title is a link, and the full clickable url link is shown in the "URL" field on the page). Every builder is credited with his own build page (example: www.homemadetools.net/builder/spicer+m ), and every website is credited with a page including all of its builds. There is no copy-pasting or bots; a real person hunts the web for homemade tools, then writes a sentence or two about them. We send out a lot of traffic, and we're known on 350+ DIY forums (proof: www.homemadetools.net/links ). Nevertheless, if anyone ever didn't want us to link to them, we would remove their tools instantly. The last time we removed a tool it was due to a legal complaint from a patent holder. That being said, I've seen plenty of sketchy scammers and spammers in my years of running forums. It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical, and I'm happy to present our bona fide credentials. This is a good site with lots of ingenious tool builds. Your work is probably linked to on various websites around the internet, and we're proud to be one of them. Thank you Jon. See my last post above this. I wish you would have contacted us *before* this occurred but it sounds like you are saying that a collection of members created these over time - it's surprising this hasn't come to light here before. My first impression was that this was a new undertaking. I appreciate your offer for any member here who doesn't want their information on your site it will be removed. That is important thank you. We got off on the wrong foot for certain. |
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