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Post by texaswoodie on Jun 7, 2010 19:44:34 GMT -5
I was listening to the radio while on the road today and didn't catch who or where, but there was a Congressman saying that anyone who is saying "Drill Baby Drill" should be rounded up and put in jail. Can you spell Internment Camps? Another Liberal wanting to put everyone with common sense in jail.
If anyone knows who this was or any details, please post it here.
I propose that everyone who believes we should stop all drilling should do without any petroleum products for one year. After a year I would imagine they would be screaming "Drill Baby Drill"
Curt
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 7, 2010 20:03:10 GMT -5
Actually, I was watching Bill Maher the other night and this oil spill is playing right into the hands of the lefties. The D-bags he had as guests were saying #1 we should stop drilling offshore period ( never mind the lost jobs and the shortages until some alternative is found) and #2 they want gas to cost about nine dollars per gallon so we can't afford to drive our cars anymore ( never mind America's job force is mainly a commuter force and America has like the crappiest mass transit in the world and these transit systems almost all operate at a huge loss and cost to taxpayers.) These same guests said if shortages did not make gas outrageously expensive, the government should add taxes to make it so. Actually just another excuse for additional taxes, cap and trade etc. Real nice for the working American. I'm sure this wouldn't hurt the general public and economy at all ( NOT!).....Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2010 20:42:59 GMT -5
Makes one realize just how delusional these lefties are. If gas went up to even $6.00 a gallon prices on food and hard goods that are transported would skyrocket. The airlines would go bankrupt. This economy is so fragile that it would not take much to totally collapse it. People think we are somehow magically insulated from a catastrophic economic collapse... Wrong!!! When it takes a wheelbarrow load of dollars to buy a loaf of bread and there are food riots they will probably get a clue. I wonder if idiots like Bill Maher and his groupies realize that Transportation needs require 66% of all available petroleum to fuel cars, buses, trucks, and jets. That means 34% of oil is used for items such as: * Ammonia * Packaging for cough syrup and shampoo * Asphalt for paving roads * Pain reliever coating to protect the stomach * Automobiles * Paint binder and solvent * Balls * Resealable bags and containers * Bicycles * Detergent containers * Bubblegum * Dishwashing liquids * Child safety gates * Deodorants * Coolers * Electricity * Crayons * Eyeglasses * Heart valves * Fertilizers * Heat for houses * Garden hoses * Heavy-duty plastic (toolbox) * Gas ranges * Helmets * Pesticides * Ink * Plastic plates * Plastic wrap * Portable radios, CD and MP3 players * Medicines * Lubricants for machinery large and small, such as bicycles or printing presses * Outlet covers * Propane grills * Propane for heat * Refrigerators * Protective coating on inside of juice boxes * Tires * Toys * Varnishes * Vinyl siding * Rugs How to plug the leak....
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 7, 2010 22:36:08 GMT -5
*L* I wouldn't say Bill Maher is an idiot. He is a smart guy. He is also extremely bigoted against anyone who lives in rural America and doesn't have his peculiar ideas. He's constantly harping on how misguided and stupid rednecks live in rural America and of course, are Republicans *L*. He also hates Bush, Palin, and religion with a monstrous passion. He loves global warming theory, drugs and fornication with an equal passion. All and all, he's an odd little gnome of a human being and it's interesting to watch his delusional rants for their comedy value, if for nothing else. He actually even has a conservative guest now and then but most his guests are some of the most annoying progressives, weirdos and socialists on the planet.....Mel
PS: Am I the only one who thinks for a little feller he has physically the biggest gourd I've ever seen. I God his head looks huge on TV! He's should have been the big giant head from the old Third Rock From The Sun comedy series instead of Shatner.
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Post by parfive on Jun 7, 2010 22:40:42 GMT -5
Makes me realize just how delusional the whole f’n country is.
You want cheap oil and plenty of it? No prob (for a little while longer) – just keep sendin’ boatloads of cash to our buddies in the Middle East while scrounging for oil in evermore troublesome places – offshore, shale, tar sands.
This country hasn’t done squat since the ’73 oil crisis, and we are all to blame.
We go through three oil crises (at least) . . . and end up with what? A hankerin’ for bigger and bigger SUVs and the right to bitch at four dollar gas.
Peak oil?
Nah, peak stupidity.
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Post by WarrenA on Jun 7, 2010 22:54:10 GMT -5
The city of Faith, South Dakota was drilling a well for water for the city and accidently struck OIL. Now all they have to do is get someone to finish drilling the oil well and then maybe drill another well so they can have water.
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Post by jerryde on Jun 7, 2010 23:34:57 GMT -5
One Calif. town trying to get around drilling off shore...votes Tues. June 8th...
On June 8, Carpinteria residents will go to the polls to decide whether Denver-based Venoco Inc. can slant drill from an onshore rig to an existing reservoir two miles offshore. The company is currently allowed to drill in reservoirs below its facility on land in Carpinteria, which is about 85 miles north of Los Angeles.
If approved, the Paredon Oil and Gas Development Initiative would still have to go before the state Coastal Commission and State Lands. Carpinteria and Santa Barbara County could get as much as $200 million in royalties. Lisa Rivas, a spokeswoman for the company, estimated it would be able to draw up to 11,000 barrels of oil a day from the offshore reservoir, which contains about 22 million barrels of oil.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 7, 2010 23:57:26 GMT -5
Wow Rich, show me a better alternative that will get millions of folks to their jobs and all our food to market etc and I'll be right with you. I get a little tired of all this talk about clean energy which is mostly just a sackload of hot air. Folks been talking about energy independence since I was in college and the green lobbies have been in the way the entire forty+ years. I suppose natural gas might be an option if the greens would allow drilling, pipelines, depots etc. Might temper a little of the problem if we were allowed to drill more on land too (oops greens don't like that) Can't use electric, need coal, nuke or hydroelectric ( greens won't allow dams or nukes and of course, they hate coal which is the most common fuel we have.. Plus takes forever to actually build a dam or nuke plant.) Biofuel is inefficient. Wind farms destroy tons of habitat, are ugly hard to maintain, and require years of powerline construction etc. Problem is Rich, we seem to be caught in a petrochemical loop. Unfortunately, we still need cheap gas for the economy to run and it's cheaper to buy it than explore for it and drill our own. Like Gray says,right now the economy is too fragile to screw with as we'll soon find out when Obama starts to raise all kinds of taxes. Besides, I'm an old fart and don't have kids. Only need a few more years of gas. Then y'all can screw up the works as much as you want *L*.....Mel
PS: Here's an idea. Post a ten million dollar reward poster in every college full of chemical and mechanical engineers. Prize to go to the first dude to invent a cheap readily available clean fuel and a big old truck to run on that fuel because you can't haul hay or a big families groceries in a gull darned Pre-ass sized car. Of course, then you have to keep some corporation from buying up the patent to the new fuel, truck etc and hiding it away in some vault because it costs too much to retool a plant to build a new kind of truck or competes with their enterprises.
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Post by free4rms on Jun 8, 2010 7:03:34 GMT -5
<<didn't catch who or where
Curt, If you don't recall who or where you heard the remark about drill, baby, drill.... how do you know it was a liberal wanting to put everyone in jail?
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 8, 2010 7:45:33 GMT -5
Obama viewpoint on developing new energy sources vs, that of someone with common sense:
Common sense viewpoint: Yore horseback on the desert and you don't much like the horse yore ridin. So, you ride into the nearest town, look around for a better horse, get rid of the old one, put yore saddle on the new one and ride away.
Obama viewpoint: Yore horseback on the desert and don't like the horse yore riding. So, you shoot the horse and stand around in the desert with yore heavy saddle and yore thumb up yore arse while you wait around hoping a salesman with a good horse happens by.
Moral of the story. Only a dumbass tries to get rid of an energy source "before" he has a good replacement!.....Mel
One way you're still riding. The other your afoot. I sure know which I prefer.....Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 8, 2010 7:51:05 GMT -5
Well, I have watched Bill Maher before, and though he may be intelligent in some ways, I still say he is an idiot. IDIOT: An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. More humorous synonyms of the term include addlehead, blockhead, bonehead, deadhead, dimwit, dodo, dope, dummy, dunderhead, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, numbskull, stupidhead, thickhead, and twit. Those would do nicely as well. He said this about the American people, and why Obama should just force the country to adopt the new progressive socialism. "They're not bright enough to really understand the issues. But like an animal, they can sort of sense strength or weakness. They can smell it on you."
I am for moving to cleaner forms of energy too, but it is idiotic to think that we can just stop using oil without having another viable energy source that can keep up with our energy needs in a cost effective way. Rich is right in saying that we should have seriously committed to alternative energy development back in the 1970's, but we became complacent and allowed the big corporations to bury any new technologies that would disrupt the status quo.
In my view, the logical place to start would be for the government to take a few billion of wasted "stimulus" money and direct it to bringing down the cost of residential sized solar and wind electric generation to reduce the reliance on the grid. And as Mel said, offer incentives for the development of technologies to reduce our demand for fossil fuels in the transportation sector, as well as improving mass transit.
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Post by chassroc on Jun 8, 2010 7:58:01 GMT -5
As usual the finger pointers want to blame...Liberals. Big oil creates an environmental nightmare and the finger pointers want to blame...Liberals. Big oil gives us the "gift" that keeps on giving and the finger pointers want to blame...Liberals.
Hey Warren..you sure that wasn't a script for the Beverly Hillbillies? Just kidding...I hope they hit the jackpot and can make enough money to build that new school they need.
Charlie
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Post by texaswoodie on Jun 8, 2010 14:01:02 GMT -5
<<didn't catch who or where Curt, If you don't recall who or where you heard the remark about drill, baby, drill.... how do you know it was a liberal wanting to put everyone in jail? Vance You're not serious are you? There may be one somewhere out there, but I know of no Conservative that wants to completely cut out drilling for oil. Chas I don't blame Liberals for the oil spill. Coprolite happens, something Liberals do not seem to understand. Oil is a good thing, I would never blame a Liberal for a good thing. Curt
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Post by parfive on Jun 8, 2010 15:07:38 GMT -5
Mel - Blame the greenies (or lefty politicians) all you want but they didn’t lure tens of millions of idiots to buy family cars (SUVs) with the mileage of a work truck . . . long after the oil thingie was a known known.
Look at the size of houses now - 4000 sq ft don’t even qualify as a McMansion these days. How many fools are heating and cooling how many empty rooms 24/7/365? Good for the ego, maybe, but not much else.
Might as well blame McDonald’s . . . “You wanna supersize that big, fat American ass with a Humvee and a pretend castle?”
“Sure, why not.” After all, why does a dog lick his balls?
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Post by texaswoodie on Jun 8, 2010 15:58:38 GMT -5
Something on the lines of what Al Gore has Rich? I'm thinking he has around 5 or 6 of these monstrosities. Then the hypocrite goes around lecturing us on how we need to conserve. I think I'll just keep on driving my pickup, thank you very much.
Curt
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 8, 2010 16:30:10 GMT -5
Rich: I get it. I get it! The dog does it because he can. That's what I love about America, that "can do attitude" *L*. I disagree with your car and house analysis too. Maybe the uber rich like fat Al buy more house than they need but most folks buy larger cars, trucks big houses because they need the space or the carrying capacity not to inflate their egos. And don't tell me you wouldn't lick it if you could Rich *L*.
Re: the greenies. All these years they've pretended to be part of the cure when in truth, they're part of the problem. They fight energy independence and economic innovation and development every step of the way. Try building something, a dam, a powerline, a power plant, a farm etc without the greens getting in the way. I used to watch Ed Begley Jr who has that green "Living with Ed" show on TV. He's got all these wacky green devices, rides a bike to power his TV etc etc. To me he just looks like he's confined his family to a stone age survivalist type existence. It's funny, quirky and green but unnecessary at this time. Why refrain from ( licking) living if you can? *L* We only live a short time so enjoy it if you can afford it. And you friggin greenies, stay the hell out of the way and don't be an obstructionist unless you first have a viable solution to a problem. And any greenie who breeds needs to refrain from breeding as population increase is the real problem. To whine about America's overconsumption and then add to the population burden creating more consumption is hypocrisy!....Mel
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Post by parfive on Jun 9, 2010 1:39:42 GMT -5
Gray: In my view, the logical place to start would be for the government to take a few billion of wasted "stimulus" money and direct it to bringing down the cost of residential sized solar and wind electric generation to reduce the reliance on the grid. And as Mel said, offer incentives for the development of technologies to reduce our demand for fossil fuels in the transportation sector, as well as improving mass transit.How does $43B sound, give or take. www.recovery.gov/espsearch/Pages/default.aspx?k=energy
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Post by parfive on Jun 9, 2010 1:48:00 GMT -5
Been a good week or two for drillin’ and spillin’. 1. Deepwater Horizon 2. Alaska pipeline With the Gulf Coast dying of oil poisoning, there's no space in the press for British Petroleum's latest spill, just this week: over 100,000 gallons, at its Alaska pipeline operation. A hundred thousand used to be a lot. Still is.
Few Americans know that BP owns the controlling stake in the trans-Alaska pipeline; but, unlike with the Deepwater Horizon, BP keeps its Limey name off the Big Pipe.
There's another reason to keep their name off the Pipe: their management of the pipe stinks. It's corroded, it's undermanned and "basic maintenance" is a term BP never heard of.www.gregpalast.com/smart-pig-bps-other-spill-this-week/3. Couple of other leaks in the Gulf motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/06/two-more-gulf-spillsblog.al.com/live/2010/06/another_gulf_oil_spill_well_ne.html4. Little bit o’ BP benzene in Texas, same plant as ’05 explosion galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=98cf5a2c858437b5Last year near Chicago: BP spokesman Scott Dean said the company has shut down the equipment that released benzene. He said the miscue shows why the company needs to modernize the Whiting plant, built in 1889 by John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Co. ;D www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/06/bp-whiting-refinery-pollution-benzene.html5. A couple of gas explosions in Texas online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704256604575294972540644444.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_56. Gas explosion in West Virginia www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jw1Lll9XMtLzfk6o31oC1TvHq5NQD9G6L9CG07. And a shale gas blowout in Pennsylvania www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-07/shale-gas-well-blowout-raises-specter-of-new-bp-energy-markets.htmlMeanwhile . . . Massive Flow Of Bullshit Continues To Gush From BP Headquarters www.theonion.com/articles/massive-flow-of-bullshit-continues-to-gush-from-bp,17564/
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 9, 2010 8:06:16 GMT -5
Rich, that is real nice but not a lot of that is going to directly help residential electric generation. And I did not see much that will effectively do anything meaningful for mass transit. I was only able to find a few instances where either was mentioned, and then it was a small portion of the grant. Most commonly the money seems to be allotted for " Activities eligible for State Energy Program funding include energy audits, building retrofits, education and training efforts, transportation programs to increase the use of alternative fuels and hybrid vehicles, and new financing mechanisms to promote energy efficiency and renewable energy investments." "Other activities eligible for use of grant funds include transportation programs that conserve energy, projects to reduce and capture methane and other greenhouse gas emissions from landfills, renewable energy installations on government buildings, energy efficient traffic signals and street lights, deployment of Combined Heat and Power and district heating and cooling systems, and others." These are the kind of projects that will just swallow the money and leave little visible results. Also, cronyism and bureaucracy will suck up much of it. See this piece on a window manufacturer that seems to have been awarded green jobs tax credits who's company’s policy director happens to be married to is married to Cathy Zoi, Asst. Secretary for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Stossel called her the “weatherization boss.” Zoi has control of $16.8 billion of stimulus funds. www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2010/20100115161050.aspxMost of what is available to a home owner seeking to get off the grid is a modest federal tax credit. (BFD) I favor a plan that gets the funding directly to the people, not allowing it to get wasted in the good ol' boy networks. The economy would be stimulated as a side result if the people directly benefit from the stimulus. The way is is being spent will do little to help those who need it most. Something like rebates and low interest loans for residential solar and wind turbines.
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Post by texaswoodie on Jun 9, 2010 10:59:55 GMT -5
While we're talking about alternative transportation, let's talk about electric cars. Electric cars will run without gasoline or give off exhaust. But where do you think the electricity to run them comes from? Power plants run on gas and coal. So it does absolutely no good at all to own an electric car. Before we can cut our oil consumption down, someone somewhere somehow is going to have to come up with a good alternative. Otherwise we will all be living in caves again. And if that's your bag, good enough with me, go out in the mountains, find a cave and live there. Me? I like air conditioning..
Curt
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