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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 9, 2012 12:54:50 GMT -5
In the beginning there was one small chip of a Fairburn Agate. Found just S.E. of the Badlands Natl. Park, S.D., in July of 1994. The collection now numbers 46, with 2 more ordered today, and another being bid on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 13:06:36 GMT -5
Pics Don. How do you display them? How many out of that 46 have you found yourself? Jim
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 9, 2012 13:18:28 GMT -5
More pics coming. Got to set up my light tent. They're displayed in a cabinet. My time is very limited on the west side of the state, but I've found about a dozen on my own. The others were bought from friends that live in Rapid City, and get out almost every week to collect, weather permitting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 13:45:09 GMT -5
Gorgeous display. I would not be able to keep from cutting them suckers up. Great will power on your part. Jim
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 9, 2012 13:51:44 GMT -5
The Fairburns have far greater value uncut and unpolished. I have a couple that have some face polishing done, and one that I ordered today has been ground to expose the patterns, so when it gets here I'll put a polish on it. All the others have only been cleaned and oiled with baby oil.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 9, 2012 14:46:38 GMT -5
These aren't exactly Fairburns. These were self collected June, 2010 along Lame Johnny Creek Rd., just outside of Custer St. Park, S.D. These had weathered out of the limestone along the south side of the road. Wide face of first piece. Narrow face of first piece. Second piece. Just a small eye. These have all of the patterns and colors of Fairburns, but are considered hills agates
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Post by Pat on Jun 9, 2012 15:02:20 GMT -5
I can see how you become obsessed with them! I would want to cut and polish them, too.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 10, 2012 13:31:04 GMT -5
A couple of my Fairburns taken without light tent.
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Post by Toad on Jun 10, 2012 14:08:04 GMT -5
Impressive specimens
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 10, 2012 14:56:20 GMT -5
Don,great collection..........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 16:45:55 GMT -5
I do not understand why they would not be considered Fairburns. Is it to keep the quantity down and the price up? It looks like the same rock that has not rolled around for a while and worn down.
Are those white things that you use to hold the stones marshmallows? Jim
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 10, 2012 17:39:32 GMT -5
Many of the hills agates are very similar to Fairburns. It depends on which deposit in the Black Hills they came out of. Some dealers have been known to cheat customers by tumbling hills agates and selling them as Fairburns.
The little white things are mineral or museum putty. It's a non hardening, non staining putty that's easy to remove, and is used to hold specimens securely in their boxes or stands.
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Post by rockingthenorth on Jun 10, 2012 23:01:22 GMT -5
nice collection
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 10, 2012 23:11:21 GMT -5
Just won a package deal on ebay. 2 Fairburns and a piece of pet wood with Fairburn type fortifications in it. All for $4.95. The Fairburns don't look like much in the ebay pics, but if you know what to look for they show a lot of promise. Couple days in Super Iron Out and a little baby oil and they'll look a lot better.
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Post by helens on Jun 11, 2012 13:23:20 GMT -5
What a great collection Don!!! It's so neat to see how people display their rocks!!
I'm still confused about the different types of agates and how their values differ. You mention hills agates... if they are sooo similar to Fairburn that you can't tell the difference between them, how are they not Fairburns?
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 11, 2012 13:58:17 GMT -5
Helen, values depend on how rare a certain type of agate is. Fairburns even on the best of hunting days are few and far between.
Hills agates are found in several places in the Black Hills of S.D., and vary greatly in color and patterns from one collecting site to another. All have one thing in common. They all still have matrix rock attached to them. Some are so similar to Fairburns that if the matrix has been removed by tumbling for a long period of time, they are all but impossible for someone not familiar with Fairburns to tell apart from the real thing. Sometimes the only way is by Patina, which can't be reproduced after tumbling. If the fortification banding is clearly visible, in a real Fairburn each individual band is even in width all the way around the pattern. Each band follows the one before it exactly. The Hills agates have bands that vary in width, and don't always follow the same pattern of the band before.
Fairburns are found over a wide area of the Buffalo Gap National Grasslands in S.W. South Dakota. Also in a small portion of N.W. Nebraska and N.E. Wyoming. Most have been broken, and only a portion is found. A whole complete Fairburn is a rare beast. I'm bidding on one of those right now, and it won't go cheap.
Most Fairburns are very small. About the size of a quarter. The average cost for one that size, with average colors and only part of the original pattern showing is $5.00. As they go up in size, or with better coloring or complete (full face) pattern, the price goes up. Also, certain colors are more rare than others. One of the rarest is called a ghost agate. The fortification banding is very tight white and clear alternating bands.
Hope that helps to clear some of the confusion.
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Post by helens on Jun 11, 2012 15:16:23 GMT -5
Very neat and informative! Thanks Don!!!
Couple more questions if you don't mind:P. You mention 'patina'... what does this mean in an unpolished/untumbled rock? Does it shine differently from other agates when found?
Also, you mention matrix... so the rock surrounding a fairburn increases the value because that's how you determine the rock's 'provenance'?
So the flip side of this is that tumbled fairburns are worth less money, because they can be confused with hill agates? So that means that cabbing a fairburn makes that fairburn worth far less money than untouched, unlike other agates, because you've destroyed the identifiable portions of the stone (matrix)? This explains why I've never seen anyone selling 'fairburn cabs'.
I've actually wondered what the big deal and difference between Fairburns and other similar agates was, so this was really helpful!
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 11, 2012 15:48:51 GMT -5
Think I confused you Helen. A Fairburn has very little if any matrix surrounding the agate when found. Some not too honest dealers will take the less valuable hills agates and remove the matrix by tumbling, then try to sell them as Fairburns. Unsuspecting tourists think they're getting a real Fairburn, and pay outlandish prices for them. The Matrix is the surrounding stone that the agates grew in. In the case of both Fairburns and hills agates the matrix was limestone. It's not unheard of to find fossil shells embedded in the matrix. On rare occasion a shell will be found with the interior filled with a Fairburn or hills agate. In a few days I'll be getting a piece of pet wood with Fairburn type fortification patterns in it. Patina is the outer color a rock takes on after thousands or millions of years being exposed to the elements and other minerals. I have a friend in Rapid City who cabs his smaller chips of Fairburns and sells them in silver jewelry. I'll add a link to his site, so you can see what they look like cabbed. He also cabs TeePee Canyon agates, and is honest enough to identify them in his jewelry. Here's the link to his web site. I'll vouch for his honesty. www.dbsagates.com/
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Post by helens on Jun 11, 2012 17:30:10 GMT -5
He does beautiful work!!! Pricewise tho, I'm not seeing a big difference between his teepee and fairburn agates anyway... both are rare right?
I need to google more pix of fairburns, teepee, lake superior, and the different types of small agates, I haven't looked at them enough:).
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 11, 2012 17:45:24 GMT -5
TeePees are much more common than Fairburns. A lot of his prices has to do with the amount of silver in his rings and other things. Then there's the rareness of certain color combinations, How complete the pattern is in the stone, and stone size and weight.
The best way to see the difference between Fairburns and certain hills agates is to hold them in your hand and study them under a loupe. One Fairburn I have only shows 7 distinct bands to the naked eye. Under the loupe I've counted 36 bands. I suspect that when I put it under the microscope, I'll find a couple more.
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