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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 12:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by chad on Jul 3, 2012 13:00:54 GMT -5
I wonder more about why some hardened heart people want to continue throwing lives and massive amounts of dollars toward enforcing a failed "solution".
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 13:21:39 GMT -5
It's only a failed solution because of a failed government. If our politicians, starting from the top down, would listen to the will of the majority of the legal residents of this country instead of the corrupt government of Mexico, our border fences would have been finished and our border patrol reinforced. Polittically incorrect ? you're damned right it is. But that's what I believe, and it's what a vast majority of our citizens believe.
It appears that Mexico now has a new president elect. One who's political party will bend over backwards to help the drug cartels and illegal immigrants. You think we have a border problem now ? Just wait a couple of months.
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Post by parfive on Jul 3, 2012 13:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 3, 2012 13:47:24 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 13:53:50 GMT -5
Well woopido Rich. Took them long enough to report on it. And how well were their words selected, to put Janet Reno and the Obama administration in a good light ? How much did they report, 2 lines, maybe 3 ?
That last one is a joke, right ? I mean come on. Any news agency that uses "Thichy" in their name just has to be reliable.
Knew you wouldn't be able to resist Rich. ;D ;D
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 3, 2012 13:58:07 GMT -5
Obviously we do not know the specifics yet, but yet I would pose this question; If this shooting turns out to be done by an illegal, they likely were not your average peace loving farm worker trying to better their situation. So, even if one discounts the debate over 'peaceful illegals', some who seek honest employment and others who only want our hospitality. What about the drug cartels who have brought their campaign of murder and mayhem into our border states? Should we just give up and give them a couple of states? Of course then people would be upset if we tried to police our new borders. . .
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Post by parfive on Jul 3, 2012 14:20:26 GMT -5
“Should we just give up and give them a couple of states?” Well, ya did steal a few from ‘em in the first place. ;D
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 3, 2012 14:42:36 GMT -5
Yeah Rich, we stole the Southwest from Mexico just like we stole the east from the British and everyone stole it from the Amerinds who stole it from other Amerinds going back 12,000 years or so. At some point in time everyone won land from someone else, who had it first, as the spoils of conquest. Typical selective boo hoo crybaby liberal BS. Why don't you head down to the Rez and find a nice Amerind family to give your house to. I'm sure that'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside *L*. Chad,
Obviously,we keep throwing money at the war on drugs because it's job security for the law enforcement folks and gives the government another measure of control over our lives. If drugs were legalized and taxed, enormous amount of money spent for law enforcement could go to drug/health issues and there would be no need for the huge drug gangs in the US and Mexico. When booze was illegal, organized crime thrived. When you can go to the store and buy it, whoops, no more bootlegging gangs etc. Only thing is, law enforcement wants there to be a drug problem and Mexico wants us to stay it's biggest drug customer.....Mel
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Post by helens on Jul 3, 2012 14:49:56 GMT -5
Chad, Obviously,we keep throwing money at the war on drugs because it's job security for the law enforcement folks and gives the government another measure of control over our lives. If drugs were legalized and taxed, enormous amount of money spent for law enforcement could go to drug/health issues and there would be no need for the huge drug gangs in the US and Mexico. When booze was illegal, organized crime thrived. When you can go to the store and buy it, whoops, no more bootlegging gangs etc. Only thing is, law enforcement wants there to be a drug problem and Mexico wants us to stay it's biggest drug customer.....Mel Hrm... Mel... you sound liberal.
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Post by chad on Jul 3, 2012 14:51:46 GMT -5
Mel! Holy crap we are on the same page ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Agree with your part about the drug war. Completely. Our domestic police couldn't afford military grade hardware without all the drug war funding... Which we obviously can't let happen. There'd be hippies in tents banging on those damned drums EVERYWHERE. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 14:58:23 GMT -5
Chad, Obviously,we keep throwing money at the war on drugs because it's job security for the law enforcement folks and gives the government another measure of control over our lives. If drugs were legalized and taxed, enormous amount of money spent for law enforcement could go to drug/health issues and there would be no need for the huge drug gangs in the US and Mexico. When booze was illegal, organized crime thrived. When you can go to the store and buy it, whoops, no more bootlegging gangs etc. Only thing is, law enforcement wants there to be a drug problem and Mexico wants us to stay it's biggest drug customer.....Mel Hrm... Mel... you sound liberal. Bite your tongue Helen. :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 3, 2012 15:00:07 GMT -5
I am for drugs being legalized and taxed, I do not believe in prohibition of any sort as one can't legislate morality or personal choice, which is part of freedom. I see that as a conservative/libertarian position. . .less laws, more personal responsibility. But do you folks think the family cartels would go away, or would they still follow the money north?
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Post by chad on Jul 3, 2012 15:04:23 GMT -5
As long as an oz of taxed legal pot costs less than an oz of cartel weeds, seems natural they'd fade into the sunset. Depends how the govt handled it and how greedy the suppliers are with pricing.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 15:10:13 GMT -5
The cartels would follow the money north of course. Legalizing drugs will just give our government reason to pile huge taxes on them. When that happens, in steps the cartels with bootleg drugs at a lower price.
I'm all for letting our border ranchers open up their ranches as hunting lodges, much like those for deer, pheasants and other game animals. The only difference is the "game" would be drug runners. It's a win win. Lower cost of policing our borders, and income for ranchers who are seeing their once pristine landscape trashed by drug runners and illegals.
Never said there were any dove bones in this old body. All hawk baby. lol
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Post by helens on Jul 3, 2012 15:23:43 GMT -5
Hrm... Mel... you sound liberal. Bite your tongue Helen. Well see... if MEL can see common sense... it only stands to reason that you are next Don:)!
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Post by helens on Jul 3, 2012 15:29:36 GMT -5
I am for drugs being legalized and taxed, I do not believe in prohibition of any sort as one can't legislate morality or personal choice, which is part of freedom. I see that as a conservative/libertarian position. . .less laws, more personal responsibility. But do you folks think the family cartels would go away, or would they still follow the money north? What would the purpose of the cartels BE if drugs were legal? I'm still worried about legalizing drugs... but the fact is, they are obviously still being used despite being illegal. They cost us billions in jails, and people still do them, so I guess I'd rather we collect tax money, eliminate cartels and black markets, and received a huge influx of tax income. And if they are LEGAL, we can do a lot more to help people stop doing them, like we do the quit smoking campaign, instead of the idiot half measures we have for 'junkies' in Ghettos. Would we have a BIGGER drug problem if we legalized them? Well probably. But we'd have all that prison cost savings, less need for DEA and other drug fighting measures we spend billions on right now. As Mel pointed out, Prohibition just did not work, and criminality dropped a lot after it was legalized. So, guess you all have to vote Democrat now.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 3, 2012 15:29:39 GMT -5
Well see... if MEL can see common sense... it only stands to reason that you are next Don:)! [/quote] Bah, Humbug. Helen, they may save money in prison costs, but that will more than be made up for in hospital emergency visits, loss of productivity because the druggies are just too wasted to work, increased crime to support drug habits by those same people who are too wasted to work. And right back in prison for the ones who commit crimes to support their drug habits. And then there's the families that are torn apart by drugs, the babies who are born addicted, and will need months if not years of treatment at tax payer expense, because the parents are too wasted to work and pay for their baby's medical needs. And on and on and on.
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Post by helens on Jul 3, 2012 15:33:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure illegal drugs cost more than they would if farmers legally grew them via the cartels. The reason being that they have a loss rate when they ship over the border and they get busted. Every day drug dealers lose inventory to the police. Farmers would lose nothing.
Every day drug cartels have to spend money paying to protect fields, growers, processors and dealers, WHILE losing product. There's no way in hell a farmer legally growing can be more expensive with Tobacco taxes piled on them than it costs cartels to run right now.
Evidence? Why doesn't anyone bootleg tobacco and alcohol? Oh yah... not profitable.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 3, 2012 15:48:28 GMT -5
Helen: *L* I'm conservative, not stupid. ( Despite what you may think *L*). I've never seen the drug wars as a liberal vs conservative issue. Basic logic says, if you want to create a theater for criminal activity and a boost for growth in law enforcement , just make something illegal. Could be booze, drugs, soda pop or condoms as long as it's something a lot of folks want or need. Imagine what a shake up it would be if guns were actually made illegal as many desire. First off you'd make criminals out of all those who own the 200,000,000 guns in the ole US of A. Then you'd have criminals selling blackmarket guns and ammo, back street gunsmiths, and probably a rebellion on your hands. Certainly a good excuse for a police state. Though I've got to say that anyone who'd take a gun confiscation job in the US would have to be desperate for work as life expectancy for such folks might be kinda short *L* Here in Texas, the "Come and Take It" flag is still real popular.....Mel
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