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Post by helens on Nov 13, 2012 22:08:49 GMT -5
I think you may be referring to Premier Williams who is the head of Newfoundland, not the prime minister. Anyone can go anywhere for their medical care. I hear many Americans come to Canada with mysterious health ID cards all the time. Americans go to Canada for Health Care all the time... AND buy perscriptin drugs from Canada... drugs made in the US... LOL!
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Post by helens on Nov 13, 2012 22:09:32 GMT -5
Edited because I went too far. No need of that blackout. This forum is for opinions and ya got to have a tough skin to do any posting here. Thanks for the concern and thanks for your PM. Curt What he said:P. We just like to argue:P.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 22:27:25 GMT -5
The government did not pay one dime on his bill. You can bet somebody is paying for it. $300 per year over a lifetime doesn't even cover the interest on $100K, much less pay anything off. Depending on the hospital, that just might be government helping out, otherwise, the cost is spread around to the rest of us.
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Post by helens on Nov 13, 2012 22:52:23 GMT -5
That's irrelevant Rich, WHY is someone making 21 million a year paying 14%? No wonder our roads are falling apart, our children dying, our economy a mess. We went from 92% to 0% in some cases for millionaire tax, with the AVERAGE millionaire paying 14%, and wonder what happened. What can you afford when your income drops to 1/5 of what it was? Everyone says the millionaires pay 70% of the tax, so when they went from 92% to 14%, the federal income went where? The problem is so painfully obvious, I still don't get why it's hard for people to comprehend. No one's trying to abuse the rich, it's preventing the rich from pulling yet another fast one that people can't seem to get. Why is one person person paying $2,940,000 (14% or $21,000,000) not enough? No, it's not enough. That's like saying if I pay $.06 sales tax because I bought 1 pack of gum, I should pay $.02 sales tax because I bought 10 packs of gum. Does sales tax work that way? Why not? When you tell a clerk at the store that you are buying 10 packs of gum and therefore should pay less state sales tax, what's that clerk going to say to you? And why should Federal tax be different than State tax?
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Post by parfive on Nov 13, 2012 23:30:57 GMT -5
Texaswoodie: "So what does Socialist have to do with a hospital providing a service and you making payments? The government did not pay one dime on his bill." Hmm. Hospital provides care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay. Hospital could be reimbursed from uncompensated care pool funded by the state, or from individuals and/or insurers that DO pay their bills. Traditionally, hospitals financed uncompensated care out of net revenues earned from paying patients, as well as other revenue, including public funds in the case of public hospitals and philanthropic contributions in the case of nonprofits. Either way, that’s *socialism*, and if you think a token $25/mo payment changes that equation, you’re deluded. Oh lookee here: "Hospitals … shift this cost to insurers in the form of higher bills, driving up the rate of health insurance for both employers and employees - and driving some employers out of the market. Texas hospitals reported spending $10.2 billion on uncompensated care in calendar year 2005." Those costs are "borne through higher insurance premiums paid by insured patients and their employers" as well as government sources, the report said.
That's not all. Strayhorn's office calculated that in 2005, "Texas families spent an extra $1,551 in health insurance premiums to cover the unpaid health care bills of the uninsured. In that year, the average premium cost for family coverage in Texas was $11,533, of which employers paid about 75 percent and families paid 25 percent. Texas' average premium was 7.5 percent higher than the national average of $10,728.
"By 2010, the amount of uncompensated care provided by Texas hospitals had risen to $17.3 billion, so we can assume the hidden tax in Texas health insurance premiums also increased.
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Post by helens on Nov 13, 2012 23:37:35 GMT -5
So now I know why our insurance bill is $20,000 a year. Woodie's brother didn't pay his bill, causing hospitals to raise their rates on the rest of us.
And we should NOT make everyone pay for insurance, we should pay for those people who can't pay out of our taxes.
But wait. Tax revenues are the lowest they've been in the history of the US. So lets take food from children to pay for Woodie's brother's hospital bill, and NOT raise taxes for the rich to the same rates the middle class pays.
I get it now.
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Post by helens on Nov 13, 2012 23:50:57 GMT -5
Texaswoodie: "So what does Socialist have to do with a hospital providing a service and you making payments? The government did not pay one dime on his bill." Hmm. Hospital provides care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay. Hospital could be reimbursed from uncompensated care pool funded by the state, or from individuals and/or insurers that DO pay their bills. Traditionally, hospitals financed uncompensated care out of net revenues earned from paying patients, as well as other revenue, including public funds in the case of public hospitals and philanthropic contributions in the case of nonprofits. Either way, that’s *socialism*, and if you think a token $25/mo payment changes that equation, you’re deluded. Oh lookee here: "Hospitals … shift this cost to insurers in the form of higher bills, driving up the rate of health insurance for both employers and employees - and driving some employers out of the market. Texas hospitals reported spending $10.2 billion on uncompensated care in calendar year 2005." Those costs are "borne through higher insurance premiums paid by insured patients and their employers" as well as government sources, the report said.
That's not all. Strayhorn's office calculated that in 2005, "Texas families spent an extra $1,551 in health insurance premiums to cover the unpaid health care bills of the uninsured. In that year, the average premium cost for family coverage in Texas was $11,533, of which employers paid about 75 percent and families paid 25 percent. Texas' average premium was 7.5 percent higher than the national average of $10,728.
"By 2010, the amount of uncompensated care provided by Texas hospitals had risen to $17.3 billion, so we can assume the hidden tax in Texas health insurance premiums also increased.
You forgot the part where we had to pay for his bill because he couldn't afford to. That's socialism. Paying your own premium is capitalism. WHO wanted socialism here?
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 0:08:41 GMT -5
I didn't forget the part. ;D
Told him twice now.
He didn't like it the first time . . .
and I doubt he'll care much for the replay.
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 0:54:16 GMT -5
The ol’ free rider problem and what to do about it.
The Heritage Foundation thought the individual mandate was the cat’s meow when Mitt Romney made it law in Massachusetts.
Once Obama adopted it, that became “Both unprecedented and unconstitutional.”
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 1:21:04 GMT -5
Universal health care is still the fairest of all. It doesn't punish people who did not get 'lucky' with a good job out of school, or born without a silver spoon. It doesn't 'reward' people who don't want to pull their own weight, over struggling people who are JUST above the poverty line but are too proud to fall back on welfare.
EVERY civilized nation has it, including Canada, Australia, France, UK, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Japan. The only major nations that DO NOT have it are China and Russia. And it's COMMUNIST, when ONLY Communists DO NOT have it?
Obamacare is NOT Universal Health coverage... but it's the step closer. Health care should never be for profit, NO free nation thinks so, only the Communists do, yet we stop it by calling it Communist. Does this get more ironic?
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Post by unclestu on Nov 14, 2012 1:47:28 GMT -5
Why is one person person paying $2,940,000 (14% or $21,000,000) not enough? No, it's not enough. That's like saying if I pay $.06 sales tax because I bought 1 pack of gum, I should pay $.02 sales tax because I bought 10 packs of gum. Does sales tax work that way? Why not? When you tell a clerk at the store that you are buying 10 packs of gum and therefore should pay less state sales tax, what's that clerk going to say to you? And why should Federal tax be different than State tax? I don't know the guy paying 2,940,000 is contributing far more than the person who might be earning 35,000 and maybe paying 5,000 in taxes. Also the person making 35,000 and paying 5,000 is in most cases is utilizing more services provided by the government than the person who might make 21,000,000 and is paying 2,940,000 in taxes. Going to your example of chewing gum or better yet lets make it an item which is more meaningful. Say gasoline to go to work. Should a person with a high income be forced to pay a price for gasoline or taxed for gasoline based upon his income? If you were a fund raiser for a charity and you went to call on a person making 21,000,000 for a donation and he donated 3,000,000 to your charity would you turn around and say that he was not giving enough because he was giving the same percentage of his income as a person making far less money? I don't think so. What this country shouldd have is a flat tax and a system in place that is designed to get people off the teet of the government and move from an existsnce of dependence to a productive life of independence. Stu
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 8:00:59 GMT -5
Texaswoodie: "So what does Socialist have to do with a hospital providing a service and you making payments? The government did not pay one dime on his bill." Hmm. Hospital provides care to individuals who refuse or are unable to pay. Hospital could be reimbursed from uncompensated care pool funded by the state, or from individuals and/or insurers that DO pay their bills. Traditionally, hospitals financed uncompensated care out of net revenues earned from paying patients, as well as other revenue, including public funds in the case of public hospitals and philanthropic contributions in the case of nonprofits. Either way, that’s *socialism*, and if you think a token $25/mo payment changes that equation, you’re deluded. Oh lookee here: "Hospitals … shift this cost to insurers in the form of higher bills, driving up the rate of health insurance for both employers and employees - and driving some employers out of the market. Texas hospitals reported spending $10.2 billion on uncompensated care in calendar year 2005." Those costs are "borne through higher insurance premiums paid by insured patients and their employers" as well as government sources, the report said.
That's not all. Strayhorn's office calculated that in 2005, "Texas families spent an extra $1,551 in health insurance premiums to cover the unpaid health care bills of the uninsured. In that year, the average premium cost for family coverage in Texas was $11,533, of which employers paid about 75 percent and families paid 25 percent. Texas' average premium was 7.5 percent higher than the national average of $10,728.
"By 2010, the amount of uncompensated care provided by Texas hospitals had risen to $17.3 billion, so we can assume the hidden tax in Texas health insurance premiums also increased.
You forgot the part where we had to pay for his bill because he couldn't afford to. That's socialism. Paying your own premium is capitalism. WHO wanted socialism here? You and Rich are so full of it. The hospital will, if they haven't already, write the bill off as a loss. It's taken from their taxes as a loss. So they loose nothing. You might say that is money that the govenment won't collect and it is. Just like any other business will file for a loss. Just like I do, just like you do, just like any business will do. Are you really so naive that you believe this is the reason for expensive healthcare? These people are in business to make money. They are not in the welfare business. Of course you and Rich just hate companies that actually make a profit. It's just beyond me why so many people think they are owed everything. Geeeeeeze When I had my heart attack my insurance paid 80%. The bill was so high that I had to borrow money to pay the 20%. I didn't cry and whine about it. I just did it. I'm really, really sick of all this whining the American people are doing. Looks like I have to listen to it for a long time to come. If America ever wakes up again, it won't be in my lifetime. Curt Curt
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 14, 2012 8:15:52 GMT -5
From what I know about Woody. Woody's brother more than likely had worked his whole life, paying taxes, Unlike the 30% of the 47% of the people that Mitt was talking about.
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -5
In case it isn't obvious by now, my entire gripe about Obamacare is that when you take the profit out of something, the quality will go on a downhill spiral.
You will end up with second rate doctors, dirty hospitals and waiting forever for services. The same goes for anything. Take the profit out and there is no incentive.
Curt
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 8:22:59 GMT -5
Universal health care is still the fairest of all. It doesn't punish people who did not get 'lucky' with a good job out of school, or born without a silver spoon. It doesn't 'reward' people who don't want to pull their own weight, over struggling people who are JUST above the poverty line but are too proud to fall back on welfare. EVERY civilized nation has it, including Canada, Australia, France, UK, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Japan. The only major nations that DO NOT have it are China and Russia. And it's COMMUNIST, when ONLY Communists DO NOT have it? Obamacare is NOT Universal Health coverage... but it's the step closer. Health care should never be for profit, NO free nation thinks so, only the Communists do, yet we stop it by calling it Communist. Does this get more ironic? Yeah right. Where does it say in the Constitution that we should be given health care? Where in the Constitution does it say we should be given ANYTHING? People don't get lucky Helen. People make their own luck. I'll bet our ancestors are upchucking their bones at what America has become. Curt
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 8:26:22 GMT -5
From what I know about Woody. Woody's brother more than likely had worked his whole life, paying taxes, Unlike the 30% of the 47% of the people that Mitt was talking about. You're right about that Billy. But now it seems it's OK to lay around on your butt and get everything handed to you instead of actually working for it. Curt
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -5
I'm curious to know why someone would go to school for 8 years. Then go through years of internship, then finally become a Dr. if he's going to make the same money as a plumber who barely managed to get out of high school?
Curt
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Post by fmelvis on Nov 14, 2012 8:55:20 GMT -5
Ok curt, we get it know. The constitution doesn't say you are entitled to health care. Healthcare is a business to make money like wall street. Can't afford it, stop whining. Profiting from the sick, is down right american.
Got it.
BTW, our doctors are very well paid. Not Beverly Hills plastic surgery rich, but very well.
Doctor, this man is having a heart attack!!! Quick nurse, examine his wallet!
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 9:00:32 GMT -5
Hey Elvis I'm curious to know what Canadians pay in income tax. I would rather borrow a few thousand in a lifetime than to pay 40 or 50% of my lifetime salary for "free" healthcare.......but that's just me.
Curt
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Post by fmelvis on Nov 14, 2012 9:08:07 GMT -5
I pay about 38% total in federal and provincial.
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