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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 15:14:47 GMT -5
“What this country should have is a flat tax . . . “ Tell ya what – I’ll give ya Herman’s 9-9-9 right now. You want it? ;D Just looked at Steve Forbes old flat tax plan for ha-has. Romney’s taxes would pretty much go to zero. Family of four making $36K or less (~median household income at the time) pays zero. Oops, there’s about half the country w/no skin in the game.
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 15:26:31 GMT -5
IIRC - Herman’s plan polled pretty well with Texas socialists a few months back. ;D
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 14, 2012 15:30:13 GMT -5
Always a pleasure to see Rich stop playing video games, crawl out of his momma's basement and put down Texas, which compared to Commiefornia is quite a nice place to live. Though I don't know what Texas has to do with this discussion other than I live here *L*. I'm sure every state in the US has a lot of unpaid medical bills that add to insurance costs.
Interesting to see Rich defend the excesses of the military -industrial complex spending too, when to me, it seems obvious that we spend an extra large amount of our taxes on such stuff ( though medicare and Social Security are larger expenses still). Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex in his fair well speech leaving office and he was dead right as it is a self perpetuating group pf large industries that with the help of their lobby folks, control much of our government and get a lot of our tax money for stuff we don't necessarily need.
I guess my point is, I think we could have a strong military capable of defending us without quite as much meddling in the affairs of other nations and most especially without putting long term ground occupation forces in other countries to fight unending gorilla wars like that in Afghanistan that bankrupted first Russia, and now is partially responsible for doing the same to us us. Less war, less foreign aid, and maybe we could take care of our own citizens a bit better.
Man, I did some reading about those Value Added Taxes that Finland and a lot of European countries have often on top if income tax. Hope we never go that route *L*.....Mel
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 15:57:48 GMT -5
"Though I don't know what Texas has to do with this discussion . . . " [/i]Scroll up. I think it was mentioned once or twice. ;D "Interesting to see Rich defend the excesses of the military -industrial complex spending too" Really? You leave your sense of perception in CA? "I guess my point is, I think we could have a strong military capable of defending us without quite as much *meddling in the affairs* of other nations . . . " I love a good euphemism. Shame to throw away that century of goodwill though, eh? ;D
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 16:20:35 GMT -5
This is funny:). Someone created a petition yesterday on the White House Petition site (same site where the Petitions to Secede are, along with petitions for Obama to do the Hokey Pokey)... petitioning Obama to: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported. It's got more signatures than the majority of state secession petition signatories combined already, you can sign here (LOL!): petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 16:42:00 GMT -5
I'd better add that Petitions are filed every day. From my understanding, no one even looks at them until the 'threshold' is reached (I think minimum is 25,000 signatures to get a low level assistant to look at them), and even then, they are not taken seriously, depending on the subject. It's just an interesting look at how silliness begets silliness.
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 16:53:33 GMT -5
That's irrelevant to the point, which is that he got $100K of health care that he'll never pay for and which will be picked up by everyone else (government, other patients). Had he never worked, he would have gotten the same deal. It is the exact same thing being branded as "socialism" in Obamacare. Moreover, even if he had insurance, prior to Obamacare he could have been dropped by his insurer once they detected he was ill. Ill health was then the #1 cause of bankruptcy for middle class families, even among families with insurance, and won't be under Obamacare. I recall a time only a half century ago when people went into medicine because they found helping people to be an interesting and fulfilling career. They were paid well, but nothing on the order of today. Back then, a Buick was considered a "Doctor's car" and not Mercedes or Bentley. Except for union members, people didn't buy much health insurance - didn't need it (a major surgery in my family that required several days of hospital stay cost under $1000). You went to your family doctor, not to today's mega-clinics that push you into taking a full suite of tests nearly every visit (x-rays for a cold) just to pump up profits. Insurance became the problem because it is more profitable to continually tack on more to premiums than to actually control costs. If you think private insurance is efficient, then you are living in fantasy land (and I worked in the industry many years). As for hospitals falling apart, or doctors being reduced to penury, I suggest you give an honest look (not through the eyes of industry lobbiests) at the situations in other nations that have universal coverage. Their hospitals are clean and well-run, and their doctors are well-paid (as a bonus in some, their educations are covered, so they don't end up with student loans to pay off). Sure, they have waits for non-emergency procedures, and so do we (even for the insured). They also have lower costs - not because they cut on care, but because universal coverage (especially single-payer) gives a lot of leverage to control spending on things like over-testing, exhorbitant drug costs, etc. A large percentage of people surveyed who don't particularly care for Obamacare aren't opposed because it goes to far, but rather because it doesn't go far enough (either in controling costs or extending coverage). I'm one of those, but Obamacare was as far as could get through the battalions of insurance and drug company lobbiests. Brilliantly stated. Hope people comprehend what you are saying. And why do you hope people will comprehend Helen? Thanks to all the Liberals, we have no choice, comprehend or not. After all Mr. Barry is a No Choice President. I vote we all give 100% of our income to good old Barry and he will decide what we get and when we get it. Why stop at 50%? Curt
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 17:00:03 GMT -5
How much of your income have you given to Obama in the last 4 years Curt? Not for taxes mind you, for Obama? And who do you think actually gives their income to Obama? Last I checked, none of our income went to Obama, how much of yours did and why?
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 17:02:19 GMT -5
Liberals really have a problem with sarcasm, no?
Curt
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Post by sheltie on Nov 14, 2012 17:03:21 GMT -5
IIRC - Herman’s plan polled pretty well with Texas socialists a few months back. ;D Can you provide a link to that "poll"?
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 17:11:05 GMT -5
Liberals really have a problem with sarcasm, no? Curt Well, I see no reason to give 50% of our income to Obama, so I asked you why you wanted to.
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 17:46:06 GMT -5
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 14, 2012 18:13:04 GMT -5
Liberals really have a problem with sarcasm, no? Curt Well, I see no reason to give 50% of our income to Obama, so I asked you why you wanted to. Because Obama knows better than we do what to do with our lives. It's the Liberal motto. We Know What's Best For You. Curt
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Post by sheltie on Nov 14, 2012 19:02:58 GMT -5
For some reason the link wouldn't open for me. BTW, what is a "Texas Socialist" anyway? Can you name some? I live here and I've never heard that term used about any of our politicians, on either side of the aisle.
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Post by parfive on Nov 14, 2012 19:15:41 GMT -5
Sheltie - Link works fine over here.
How did we end up with Texas and socialist in the same sentence?
That’s easy. Go back to page 2 of this thread and start at Reply #26.
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Post by helens on Nov 14, 2012 23:34:51 GMT -5
Well, I see no reason to give 50% of our income to Obama, so I asked you why you wanted to. Because Obama knows better than we do what to do with our lives. It's the Liberal motto. We Know What's Best For You. Curt Well I'm sure Obama would appreciate your contribution. I don't feel like giving anyone 50% of my money, but you can if you want to:).
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 15, 2012 8:23:49 GMT -5
For some reason the link wouldn't open for me. BTW, what is a "Texas Socialist" anyway? Can you name some? I live here and I've never heard that term used about any of our politicians, on either side of the aisle. Rich is pulling your chain Sheltie. Actually he's pulling my chain through you. Rich likes to do that. He thinks he's insulting me but I know what he is and what he does. No skin off my nose. Curt
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Post by parfive on Nov 15, 2012 10:50:38 GMT -5
Never mind your nose, get your “eyes” checked.
Big elephant in that hospital room and you never saw it.
And just cause you still refuse to see it don’t make it a wabbit.
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Post by texaswoodie on Nov 15, 2012 10:54:25 GMT -5
Your sense of "truth" is warped Rich.
You are the one that believes companies that take legal deductions are criminals.
Curt
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Post by parfive on Nov 15, 2012 10:59:43 GMT -5
blah blah blah . . . it still ain't a wabbit.
CAUSE IT'S A BIG _______ ELEPHANT!!!
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