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Post by jamesp on Aug 5, 2013 7:49:43 GMT -5
I ran into a fellow collecting this plant in the Florida bogs while collecting coral.(Black Bay) He drys it and ships it to perfume makers. I was not impressed w/the smell The largest crop in Florida, pines(these in rows) Soybeans, certainly genetically modified Hello hogs leaf litter=no hogs black soil=hog damage Location sign. The only thing black there were the folks. And they were extremely friendly Typical sand road hitting occasional coral heads Coral bearing clay Typical find, about 20 pounds Lots of Magnolias and Bays. Who's car is that?
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Post by helens on Aug 5, 2013 10:41:29 GMT -5
I've seen that first plant before... darned if I know what it is... you have me curious tho.
The car... wouldn't that be worth something to collectors and restorers? Looks really old and valuable. Seems worth it to ask the owner if he'd like to sell it. The headlights and grill look like something out of the 1940s??
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Post by jamesp on Aug 5, 2013 10:57:53 GMT -5
I'll guess the car to be about a 1928, probably a Ford. No later than 1932.
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Post by helens on Aug 5, 2013 11:04:47 GMT -5
Well, it's rotting there in the open, maybe you should try to find out who owns the land and ask them what they plan to do with the car? What a shame to let it rot like that...
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Post by snuffy on Aug 5, 2013 11:08:47 GMT -5
Hey James.The pic of the leaf litter torn up by hogs hit home with me years ago.I used to go into the woods with a tractor and trailer and scoop up the 2-3 inch layer of leaf mould and put it in my garden.When the piggies moved in,ruined that resource.
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 5, 2013 12:06:51 GMT -5
My guess on the car would be 27 or 28 Essex 2 door. I used to have a 28- 4 door . Bottom of that body is probably rotted out, but lots of good restorers parts there yet.
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Post by Peruano on Aug 5, 2013 12:12:35 GMT -5
No offense Helen, but your assessment of the car did more on dating your age than that of the car. The 20's range if far closer than the 40's but either way its a neat photo. Tom
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 5, 2013 12:39:59 GMT -5
Looks like it could have been John Boy Walton's. I wonder if it has a rumble seat? Cool car, anyway.
I've seen that leaf before, too. It's on the tip of my brain. I thinking it is related to a dandy lion. But, I don't know squat.
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Post by helens on Aug 5, 2013 13:30:15 GMT -5
No offense Helen, but your assessment of the car did more on dating your age than that of the car. The 20's range if far closer than the 40's but either way its a neat photo. Tom How do you figure? I wasn't alive for the 20s... (don't think you were either, you'd have to be 90s:P)... but I wasn't alive for the 40s either... you'd have to be in your 70s. To REMEMBER a car from the 40s (as in driving when they made it vs used car), you'd have to be 80s. No one here is 80s that I know of either:P. Far as I know, the oldest person here is 73... But I guess a 1940s car was a 'used car' into the 1960s and a 1920s car was probably a 'used car' into the 1940s or 1950s even since they were built so durably. I have only seen those cars in museums and movies, can't tell them apart.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 5, 2013 14:02:17 GMT -5
I looked up 20,25,28,30,32 fords on images and the radiator gave me the best gauge for age-separate from sheet metal and chromed. I will look up Essex-What is that Don?
Dam hogs have tore up Texas the worst Snuffy. Florida right behind ya though. Nothing like the pure strain of Russian hogs in North Georgia. A 125 pounder can kill 5 (hog) dogs in 60 seconds. That is a whole different critter than the other wild strains.
Plantain, dandelion, chickory, I am a bit whipped. Thanks for the dandelion Tela. It usually has teeth on the leaf edge...Mel may step in...It grows in very damp spot like plantain..
I was sure that 40's was too new for that car Helen. I thought it was older than 1928 though, like 1918 until I looked at images and then saw what Don said. Looks so much like a ford. Hudson family owned/started the Essex
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Post by helens on Aug 5, 2013 14:11:39 GMT -5
Well... does it date me to admit that I've NEVER seen one of those cars 'on the road'... that is, cars from even the 1940s:P?
I have seen them in museums and car shows tho.
At the Ford Museum (Henry Ford's winter home) and the Edison Museum (the 2 are across the street from each other, since Thomas Edison and Henry Ford were great buddies and across the street neighbors), they have several of Henry's first cars parked in the garages. I was actually amazed that they are not roped off, they actually let people touch them and sit in the seats and pop the hoods...
Anyway, this car looked boxier than those model T's... that's why I thought it might be newer.
Either way, you should try to save the car if you can James... rotting in the woods just seems like such a shame, there can't be many of those left...
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Post by jamesp on Aug 5, 2013 14:40:44 GMT -5
That car looks in better shape than it is. Great photo subject. Florida enviro has given it a good whipping
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 5, 2013 15:23:38 GMT -5
I looked up 20,25,28,30,32 fords on images and the radiator gave me the best gauge for age-separate from sheet metal and chromed. I will look up Essex-What is that Don? Dam hogs have tore up Texas the worst Snuffy. Florida right behind ya though. Nothing like the pure strain of Russian hogs in North Georgia. A 125 pounder can kill 5 (hog) dogs in 60 seconds. That is a whole different critter than the other wild strains. Plantain, dandelion, chickory, I am a bit whipped. Thanks for the dandelion Tela. It usually has teeth on the leaf edge...Mel may step in...It grows in very damp spot like plantain.. I was sure that 40's was too new for that car Helen. I thought it was older than 1928 though, like 1918 until I looked at images and then saw what Don said. Looks so much like a ford. Hudson family owned/started the Essex Essex was a brand of car. The raised area along the side of the body and around the window was very distinctive. Essex produced their own cars up until 1922, when production changed to Hudson motors. They were still produced with the Essex name until around 1932.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 5, 2013 16:39:36 GMT -5
That raised area is all I could use to tell it apart from the Ford. What a cool car.
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Post by vegasjames on Aug 5, 2013 16:59:27 GMT -5
It would help to have a picture of the plant as it grows and preferably with the flowers or seed heads. Could be goldenclub, also known as neverwet.
If used for perfume there could be a couple of different reasons. Some plants change odor upon drying. For example, the coumarin containing plants such as sweet clover and vanilla beans do not develop their characteristic vanilla odor until dried. Or the plant could be used for a certain "tone" or as a fixative. Not all perfume ingredients are used for smell though. For example, the very high end perfumes such a Channel use ambergris (whale poop) as a fixative. It is often incorrectly referred to as whale vomit though to make it sound less repulsive if that is possible. Ambergris has a very unusual, and what most would not call pleasant, odor. But it is a powerful fixative, which helps to hold the odor . This is why the really expensive perfumes have an applicator to apply just a tiny amount of the perfume that can last for days compared to the cheap perfumes, which people apply a lot more of and the smell quickly dissipates usually in a few hours.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 5, 2013 22:27:24 GMT -5
Good call Don it's a '27, '28 had suicide doors Like to have garden art like that.
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 5, 2013 22:43:09 GMT -5
Yup, had to keep one of the doors on mine tied shut. Those suicide door scared the hell out of me.
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Post by helens on Aug 6, 2013 0:36:49 GMT -5
It would help to have a picture of the plant as it grows and preferably with the flowers or seed heads. Could be goldenclub, also known as neverwet. If used for perfume there could be a couple of different reasons. Some plants change odor upon drying. For example, the coumarin containing plants such as sweet clover and vanilla beans do not develop their characteristic vanilla odor until dried. Or the plant could be used for a certain "tone" or as a fixative. Not all perfume ingredients are used for smell though. For example, the very high end perfumes such a Channel use ambergris (whale poop) as a fixative. It is often incorrectly referred to as whale vomit though to make it sound less repulsive if that is possible. Ambergris has a very unusual, and what most would not call pleasant, odor. But it is a powerful fixative, which helps to hold the odor . This is why the really expensive perfumes have an applicator to apply just a tiny amount of the perfume that can last for days compared to the cheap perfumes, which people apply a lot more of and the smell quickly dissipates usually in a few hours. Too funny:). Perfumery and perfume bottles was my main obsession for decades:)! That plant James posted is pretty obscure for me not to recognize it on sight. And ambergris IS whale vomit... it just so happens that whales vomit their poop. You forgot civet cat... which is cat pee. For that matter, musk is a form of deer pee, it's what they use for marking territory too. All perfume fixatives are interesting subjects:). LOL!
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Post by jamesp on Aug 6, 2013 2:50:47 GMT -5
I sell Golden Club. (orontium Aquatica) It's not that James. And this plant was being collected to be sent to foreign country so their may be vastly different opinions on it's aroma quality... It is growing in a wet foot enviro similar to carex, scirpus, and juncus family. Not sitting in water like cattails and orontium. The lower section is red. It was infrequent. It was growing where I was finding coral, at the rarely exposed clay layer and in full sun.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 6, 2013 3:51:18 GMT -5
It can be found in these 2 books aquatic and wetland plants of the southeastern united states by wooten and godfrey 2 volumes monocot and dicots
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