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Post by grayfingers on Sept 5, 2013 16:57:44 GMT -5
Dang James, that looks like a nasty critter! Ouch. I'd soak it in cider. . .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 17:18:12 GMT -5
Dang James, that looks like a nasty critter! Ouch. I'd soak it in cider. . . Topical? or Thru the bloodstream?
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Post by helens on Sept 5, 2013 17:26:42 GMT -5
Don't want to see your abscess, and you don't need to have one. Soak it NOW, James, it may not be too late.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 5, 2013 17:37:06 GMT -5
Helen, this thing is like a spider in that injects digestive fluid. I do not know if that qualifies as a poison . Or is it? It is a flesh rotting fluid. Can't wait to see what it does. I have been hit by them before. In later years i have worn waders and am safe. To avoid leaches and a certain worm. Heating is a concept i never saw before.
I notice Bill suggested soaking my brain in his Boones Farm Apple Cider. That would fix most ailments. I am thinking i will survive.
Shoot Kurt. W/modern medicine we are safe to so many things. I fear snake bites the most. Florida has the critters that really pose a threat. Atlanta is just above the nastier tropical critters.
Thanks for the concerns. Ole James will be fine.
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Post by grayfingers on Sept 5, 2013 17:43:05 GMT -5
Dang James, that looks like a nasty critter! Ouch. I'd soak it in cider. . . Topical? or Thru the bloodstream? All Three! Err. . . I mean both. . .
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Post by helens on Sept 5, 2013 17:54:00 GMT -5
Helen, this thing is like a spider in that injects digestive fluid. I do not know if that qualifies as a poison . Or is it? It is a flesh rotting fluid. Can't wait to see what it does. I have been hit by them before. In later years i have worn waders and am safe. To avoid leaches and a certain worm. Heating is a concept i never saw before. I notice Bill suggested soaking my brain in his Boones Farm Apple Cider. That would fix most ailments. I am thinking i will survive. Shoot Kurt. W/modern medicine we are safe to so many things. I fear snake bites the most. Florida has the critters that really pose a threat. Atlanta is just above the nastier tropical critters. Thanks for the concerns. Ole James will be fine. It won't hurt you to soak your foot in hot water James, just try it.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 5, 2013 18:33:54 GMT -5
I am going for the bloodstream idea. It worked on the dog...
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Post by helens on Sept 5, 2013 18:47:47 GMT -5
Why not do both? Your past 'quick recovery' could well be because you took a hot bath/shower sooner after the bite than you did this time. Many natural toxins are neutralized by fast strong heat. Why don't most people know this? Because you'd go to the ER less often. There are a lot of solutions to simple problems that do not require a lot of money.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 5, 2013 18:53:48 GMT -5
It's odd Helen. I have more allergic reactions as i get older. The things that never reacted on me do these days. I get stung by bee/s a good bit and they still do not mess w/me. I have been bit by a lot of things and stung too. Here of late little deer flies make me swell and itch and i gotta take a Benadryl . Well, this bug is doing me similar. I will take a benadryl tonight to see if it was an allergic reaction all along. I started wearing waders about 10 years ago when i was planting 600 water lilies in a man's pond w/bathing suit on. it got late and i kept going till i finished the job . I was covered in leaches,maybe 200 . They were all less than an inch long but they injected me with a lot of anticoagulant. I itched and had a very allergic itch reaction but that was all. and i got stung by a caterpillar last month and the same itch reaction. I am always getting stung by caterpillars because i am reaching into the foliage of plants so much. i have learned that fuzzy caterpillars hardly sting but hairless ones w/spines are very painful. After this bug stung me i went to the plant kitchen to wash the iris off and my boot had filled with blood from where this bug stung me. Most aquatic bugs like leaches and this lethocerus utilize anticoagulant. Use salt on leaches-do not pull them off or you will bleed like a stuck pig.
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Post by helens on Sept 5, 2013 19:06:42 GMT -5
My personal observation about allergies, and this is UNPROVEN, is that when we catch a bacterial or viral infection, our bodies mobilize a defense immediately. When we do that, our immune system begins to develop antibodies, so when we encounter that particular strain, we are ready to defeat it. The unproven observation is that whatever else happens to be in our system at the time of our immune response can be mistaken for an enemy also, and antibodies develop against that too. Thus the allergy.
At various points in my life, I've had allergies to literally everything they could test for. That is, back scratch test raised welts that were levels 3-5 on every single thing they put on my back. After weekly allergy shots for 2 2 year sessions, I STILL had allergies to the same things for another 4 years. I have an inventor mindset, I solved my own problem. Today, I have allergies to almost nothing. If I told you what I did, you wouldn't believe me, so I'm not going to.
That said, if it's an allergic reaction, then neutralizing it with heat will remove the need for your antibodies to react to it allergically. I posted 2 links to the government site with 2 papers about heat deactivation of toxins. While your bite may not be a thermolabile toxin, again, it does NOT HURT TO TRY. I know you are a stoic man, but you will appreciate remembering this next time you step on a fire ant hill:).
As for leeches... haven't run into that one yet... I always thought you got them off by putting a lit cigarette on them, since that's always available and salt isn't:).
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Post by jamesp on Sept 5, 2013 19:29:48 GMT -5
In the early stage of my business it was not unusual for me to spend 12 hours a day on digging bare root plants for mitigation jobs. For days at a time. Ants bees caterpillars aquatic bugs,plant poisons and stings. A lot of things. i also broke a coral snake fang off in my finger when pulling him off. Cut grass and poison ivy. Cut grass will paper cut you w/thousands of tiny slices. Tear thumb is a smartweed(polygonum) that will stick to you and make you it's prisoner.
But you can expect me to give in to good treatment. If they know you use medicine they will step up the doses. That is the same as showing fear.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 6, 2013 1:14:15 GMT -5
Ha - up at 2:00AM and hurting a bit but mostly swelling to a hard spot. No weeping. Itching intensely.The affected(hardened) area is 3 inches x 6 inches up and down directly surrounding entry point about 12 inches above bottom of inside left heel. Swelling and itching down to ankle and bridge of foot but no hardening. This ankle and heel was fused-heel to ankle(talus) and leg bone to talus 2 years ago October and is finally starting to stop swelling from the disruptive surgery Just took 4-25mg Benadryl and 1000mg Cephalexin antibiotic and drinking water hoping i will keep all that down. If i had 2 punctures i would say i got snake bit but we have very few moccasins here it this county. The reaction is most likely worsened by the mass of scar tissue from the surgery. The slightest scratches and bug bites in that area is hyper sensitive.
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Post by helens on Sept 6, 2013 5:54:27 GMT -5
You probably waited too long. Between your bad circulation there and allergy and stubbornness, heating may no longer help even, since you probably can't get the heat to penetrate to the internal tissue the toxin spread to. If you do get an abscess, you might want to haul yourself to the doctor.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 6, 2013 9:56:13 GMT -5
Doctor at noon. Took big load of benadryl to no avail. I would say antibiotics are in my future:>
Thanks for your concerns Helen. I could tell 20 minutes after the bite that i was in for a ride.
Swelling went down after sleep but 2 hours moving around will send it swelling again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:07:00 GMT -5
what is the actual bite site looking like? The point of injection.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 6, 2013 10:21:15 GMT -5
This is the smaller one that was sitting in my hand Scott. Check the ambush techniques of this dude. The entry wound looks like i got stabbed by a sharp pencil. A slightly oval puncture about 1/32 inch. The heavy bleeding is typical. It itches so much. The puncture is not a leach;they remove a patch of skin. The lepto's are out in force at this time. Clobbering gambusia in the grasses. They feel safe in the grass and use it to launch in attack. Very strange to have a poisonous spider out in the aquatic grass, and the bite/bleeding is not like a spider. But the effects are. This article says they pose no threat to humans. But i have been bit where it tried to fester. My wife fills a tub outside and gets in it during the hot season and gets bit by the little cab shaped on. Says it only hurts. www.hngn.com/articles/9045/20130731/giant-water-bug-toe-biter-devours-fish-snakes-turtles-vicious.htm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:24:19 GMT -5
does the 1/32" puncture site look like a dark blood spot? I realize you have only one injection site The extreme swelling and the hardness/tightness you describe sounds very moccasin to me. Single fang bite not rare. They shed their teeth and it could only have one to use at that moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:28:03 GMT -5
bruising??
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Post by jamesp on Sept 6, 2013 10:28:46 GMT -5
No. No color change at all except a bit pink. I would have freaked and been to Doc quick. Got 30 minutes. Will get back Scott.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:29:38 GMT -5
fever?
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