I got injected with digestive fluids

Pat, I think he is there now.

Thanks Ash,Helen,Scott,Pat,Jean. Doc says i have an infection. Over a big area. The size of it concerned her most. And it was advanced. Did not say yes or no if i was gonna have an abscess .

Scott, i have been bit twice by Moccasins but not as serious as the leg above. It was black and blue,but a much smaller scale. Once thru waders that i squated and pinched his head and a fang barely pricked me. The other got me thru jeans and just got a tooth in me. They both turned bluish. And a coral snake that had no effect.

Ash, i felt like i had a buttload of bacteria injected into me. That was how it felt from the start and that is how it has reacted-plain and simple. Never stung like bee but like a hypodermic injection stuck in.

That was a warranted doctor visit Pat. Too much infection. She gave me a shot in the buttocks. I like my doctor a little too much. Enough said about that.

My ass is at home Jean. No hospital for me. not warranted anyway.

Common practice is to use antibiotics when a spider or this type water bug injects with digestive or flesh rotting fluid.
Also with many stings and snake bites. The most of those fluids are going to kill flesh-period. So the resultant is dead flesh=infection eventually.
Even our little fire ants sting and leave a 1/8 inch boil/abscess that scars fine skin for life.

Thanks Jean. I should be OK since i am younger.

What's it to ya worm?!

(must be the meds talking)

I am nervous to heat my body. First of all, nature is full of incredible compounds and freaky mixes. Organic compounds that man entirely does not understand.
Much less some of the bacterias such as those intentionally created by the layer of pockets on an alligator's teeth. Designed by nature to
provide habitat for such bacteria since gators are designed to digest rotted flesh. The hungry gator chooses to let it rot if possible before eating his kill. Or much worse is the saliva of a Komodo Dragon lizard.

Makes me wonder if i would speed the reaction? Like each case deserves it's own remedy. I thought about asking the doctor.
I would have to advise you to use a tested remedy Helen. Very few people get bit by these things. I looked up remedies and got no where.
The link above said it was the most painful insect bite and was harmless to humans. It was not that painful but the reaction is
more damaging than most bug bites. So i was not in agreement w/that link. And thought it was over sensationalized about the pain and not about the effects.

I bet the antibiotics is the best treatment.
Thanks for thoughts-really

Didya tip her to get the extra wiggle? haha!

Glad you home. Hope the buttshot gets the infection in fast order.

Just seemed a little harsh for someone as nice as you.

Here's a bit of info on heat-labile enterotoxins:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-labile_enterotoxin

There is a lot of research on heat sensitive toxins, but very few people have actually pulled it all together. If I weren't so lazy, it would make a fun PhD program.

Here's a University paper, it pertains to ingested toxins, but it mentions heat lability of some of them as well:
faculty.weber.edu/coberg/class/3853/3853%20Foodborne%20Diseases.htm



The reason you would try heat first is because every day bacterias are mutating, and in our pressure cooker fast cycling Florida environment, more and more of these strains are becoming completely anti-biotic resistant.

The heat is potential prevention. Think of it like rust. The odds of something rusting through is lessened by the removal of MOST of the rust, and it certainly slows it's spread. Paint prevents rust. So while you can paint something rusty (antibiotics), it only slows the problem while the rust spreads under it. In the case of bacteria, it mutates under it. Scrubbing off as much of the rust you can see, and neutralizing it with sugars, THEN painting it is always a better solution.

Snakebite and certain spider venoms are NOT heat labile, heating them would kill you faster, because it would cause a faster spread of the toxin. As far as I know, there is no study done on individual toxins to determine WHICH are heat-labile... again, it deserves a PhD level study, and I'm too lazy to do it.

With any bite, it's a 2 part problem, the toxin, then the bacteria introduced with the toxin. If heating can neutralize the toxin, now you are only dealing with the bacteria. If heat doesn't neutralize the toxin, the bacteria is still partly neutralized, and less work for an antibiotic to do, lessening the chance of amputation or death.

Again, NOT true with certain venoms. But look... even certain NEUROTOXINS are heat labile!!!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2955866


NO corporation would fund this study. They want to sell you drugs. If all you have to do to kill off toxins is hot water, they want to SQUASH that research asap.

An estimated 20,000 natural creatures have heat-labile toxins, from water deadlies to land deadlies. Snakes are an exception, but I haven't looked into snake bites at all because I don't play with snakes, and don't care. The subjects that I pursue to a conclusion are the ones that affect me. Florida bugs are dangerous, as you keep pointing out. I lived for years on a Florida river. I needed to know what would stop the biggest risks. Given your lifestyle, you need this info.

You can believe it or not, but I hope you look into it yourself more. It's scattered information, and you have to track it down like Sherlock Holmes, but the info is out there.