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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 2:57:26 GMT -5
Now why wouldn't you take that Black toad and propagate it. Would introducing it to other locations just confuse things?
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 3:01:43 GMT -5
Mel-Plowed fields have been picked over here too. It is amazing. On the giant Lake George a hurricane will come and the wave action will take 50 feet of shore out.
If it happens at a camp undamaged artifacts are left behind and probers get in the water and probe for the solids in the sand in the lake bottom.
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Post by grayfingers on Sept 11, 2013 6:56:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 10:07:08 GMT -5
Now why wouldn't you take that Black toad and propagate it. Would introducing it to other locations just confuse things? The black toad inhabits a wet meadow in the middle of a very dry 4000 ft elevation desert. 100% of the habitat is inhabited by the toads and is also protected by deep springs college. The population is safe as long as the college prospers. There is no other habitat to put them. Except breeding facilities and subsuquently small enclosures in childrens bedrooms worldwide. Endangered species laws prohibit the reproduction and sales of those species. Yes, laws set in place, ostensibly to protect a species, prohibits making more of that species. Yes, Yoda would say "Out the window common sense is." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 10:09:38 GMT -5
Cagle's Map Turtles one of the prettiest ones, ever. A better image by James Harding  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 10:15:36 GMT -5
The head of this specimen is probably over 2" wide.  Probably very wide flat beak surface for crushing the mussels and giant muscles into the neck for powering those jaws. |
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Post by Sabre52 on Sept 11, 2013 10:48:25 GMT -5
Scott: In answer to your question about the habitat for that other Map turtle, I don't know. I used to have a neighbor, James Dobie who was a turtle expert and he had marked almost every turtle on our ranch but he recently moved back to Georgia. I'm sure he would have known as he told me tons of stories about hunting and studying super rare turtle varieties all over the south including Texas.
When I was in college back in the 60's, they had just fund a new and rather large population of tetrataenia down at Crystal Springs reservoir and my professor had collected some for study. At that time, they thought they were pretty wide spread but as you've said, mainly on private property so uncensused. My favorite Garter snakes were the Giant we used to get out in the rice paddies while hunting pheasants and the Santa Cruz. Had an uncle with a ranch over there and his place abounded with that beautiful species. Both stunk and the Giants were supremely nasty biters Very cool to see an almost five foot long garter snake as big around as your arm.
My wife and I actually used to camp right at those springs up at Deep Springs many years ago before it was closed off. Got some good hounding for crystals and fossils near there and great hiking too......Mel
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 11:30:17 GMT -5
I know the name James Dobie. But am not sure why. It turns out the crystal springs habitat is the primary habitat for San Frans now. Oddly enough, I have never seen a giant garter, except in pictures. The garters on the campus at Stanford University are the best. At least for me.    |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 16:57:11 GMT -5
The study of these crosses is totally amazing. I am still tripping out about the yellow turtle starting this thread being a cross. I am wanting to move others types to my turtle infested lily ponds. There may be several hundred 2-4 inch babies in 100 feet of shoreline. Especially on the south facing slopes till 1:00 PM.I built a cool turtle trap and my wife sells them to my customers April-June. Trap is similar to this one. They climb up to bask and climb off into the caged side. Called a turtle basket  |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 17:01:26 GMT -5
Those garters are so colorful.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 11, 2013 17:33:04 GMT -5
Pretty, but oh so stinky! Mice eating snakes were bad enough but fish eaters? No way!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 17:56:56 GMT -5
and you can get red sideds to eat mice, but they get too fat and die!
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 20:01:07 GMT -5
This is bizarre  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 22:19:18 GMT -5
This is bizarre Yes, it is bizarre. Surprising that she can eat and have food pass thru the tunnel. Do you suppose she has enough room behind the constriction to develop and lay eggs? Then the man made body dismorphia has not actually harmed her, has it? Yes, it is bizarre. Turtles are amazing creatures. I was known as the turtle man for a decade or so. Before that I was "The Lizard King"... lol |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2013 2:38:32 GMT -5
I have had a dozen pet shops as clients. Many were fish nurds and never went out side. Others were reptilian lovers and always prowling around catching stuff. And the Sunpets is a serious distributer of fish and reptiles. The owner is a friend whom i have known for almost 20 years. He lives on 4 acres in downtown Atlanta and has aviaries 25 feet tall and gold fish ponds 100 feet round and full size (many bronze) african animal figures in his yard. His basement is vast walls of aquaria. He is fired out of a canon crazy.
I have had the fortunate life of having Frog, crayfish man, aquarium lovers, rock people, of course plant people, turtle man, giant rock ball makers, lapidarians etc etc in my life and am thankful.
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Post by Toad on Sept 12, 2013 2:52:27 GMT -5
This is bizarre photoshop |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2013 3:11:30 GMT -5
Ya think?
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Post by Sabre52 on Sept 12, 2013 8:01:36 GMT -5
Yeah was wondering about photoshop too. That plastic is durable but I'm thinking it would be pretty unusual for it to last the years it would take for the turtle to reach that size and also pretty difficult for it not to snag up and kill the turtle in some way or another with all them loops hanging out.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2013 8:25:06 GMT -5
The snag thing was the concern i had too. And look at how shiny and new the plastic looks. Smells more and more like i have been duped. ha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 11:51:04 GMT -5
while that may have been photoshopped, I have had a similar turtle of the same species in my hands. It is rare but does happen.   |
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