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Post by jamesp on Sept 9, 2013 19:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 9, 2013 19:29:50 GMT -5
You still haven't learned your lesson about things that bite, have you? I've been bit by turtles, those suckers can hurt! 'Bout take the tip of a finger off.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 9, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
That one sure had an attitude
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Post by snuffy on Sept 9, 2013 19:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Sept 9, 2013 23:03:46 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, a diving turtle. Certainly he knew what he was getting into. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:11:37 GMT -5
Yellow Belly Slider/Redear Slider Hybrid. You live right where the changeover it. Maybe a natural intergrade.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 10, 2013 12:39:25 GMT -5
My (at one time) competitor from Alabama used to get me to go turtle collecting around here. Mostly over the ridge to the Flint River because it had so many turtle crosses.
After doing prison time for messing w/protected turtles we rarely go anymore and he lost his business while doing his time.
I was curious about that turtle. I tried to take pics so the master could ID it. I am thinking it is missing a red spot on it's head/neck....
And it was so yellowiferous
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:17:47 GMT -5
After doing prison time for messing w/protected turtles we rarely go anymore and he lost his business while doing his time. That's gotta be Guthrie. He also poached hellbenders from north Georgia. Never admitted to being caught for that one. If there was a book "The Turtle Thief" it would be a tie between Alabama Guthrie and Tokosh in the north east. If I am right, this is the turtle that caused him grief greed.  The ringed sawback. A federal endangered species. I have never even touched one. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:59:03 GMT -5
My bad, this is the Guthrie story: More here: Poaching TurtlesThis statement harms the story: There is no place in California where this can be true. We have no truly rare and endangered species. But we do have at most a 1000 cowboys hunting them. Even if you put them all in one small area; there are still more snakes. |
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Post by bhiatt on Sept 10, 2013 16:03:37 GMT -5
those spots on the underside of the turle shell look like they are floating(raised off the shell). Shadow lines on the spots. Cool looking one.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 10, 2013 18:17:16 GMT -5
They are Brad. It's a hover turtle and can hover over all terrain. The black spots are telescoping air ducts. A small turbine comes out of the scales on the shell. You can ski behind the larger turtles :>  :} |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 10, 2013 18:29:37 GMT -5
I will say this Scott. 1999 is about when my friend got busted. His business floundered after that as i think his wife and 4 kids left him.
Can't post his name but i noticed a dozen went down w/Guthrie in 1999. He is still tinkering w/turtles and plants. I took him and 8 other clients
in canoes and kayaks down Flint River above Hwy 36. Around Pine Mountain area. A bizarre hill range w/appalachia and coastal mixed into one of the
worlds most diverse critter/plant population. He said the turtle mixes were nuclear in that area. Hwy 18 to hwy 36.
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Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2013 18:41:32 GMT -5
Scott: Back in the dark ages when I collected snakes, there was one snake that was the holy grail and that seemed to have more collectors than snakes, the San Francisco Garter Snake, Thamnophis s. tetrataenia. Guess they're endangered now. My major professor, Sam McGinnis was really into studying them but boy, that was one snake that was uber hard to find. Black Toad from up at Deep Springs was a rare item too.
I was out for a hike yesterday and found a female Map turtle that looked like a female Cagle's but was over the hill from where they are supposed to be. Our ranch spans two drainages, Guadalupe on one side, Pedernales on the other. Cagles one side, Texas map on the other and this was in a creek that drains into the Perd so probably a Texas Map but huge for the species, almost 9 inches long. I should have brought it home for photos and ID but didn't want to carry it that far *L*.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Sept 10, 2013 19:24:44 GMT -5
A ridge between the rivers sounds like artifact gold mine Mel. Never seen a map that big. Most of turtles get duller when larger. Is your map rare Mel?
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Post by bhiatt on Sept 10, 2013 19:56:54 GMT -5
They are Brad. It's a hover turtle and can hover over all terrain. The black spots are telescoping air ducts. A small turbine comes out of the scales on the shell. You can ski behind the larger turtles :> :} well I'll be... innerestin |
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Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2013 21:09:32 GMT -5
James: Cagle's Map Turtles are threatened and protected. Texas Maps common .Males of both are tiny little boogers while the females of both much larger with Cagle's I think being the largest of our two. We're supposed to have Cagle's Maps in our two lakes which drain into the Guadalupe River. The females are quite dull in color when they get that large but they do have beautiful head markings.
The ranch used to be artifact central but was heavily hunted back in the 70's. I know some old timers that have monster collections and have told me you could fill your pockets with perfect points back when. We do have one undisturbed mound that was a campsite but even though I can find artifacts anytime I go hike, I very seldom find unbroken stuff as most the flat areas were heavily plowed and most the campsites well dug over. We no longer allow digging because it creates horse hazards. King, the Azteca I'm riding now thinks the Indian mound is just the funnest thing ever to blast over at full tilt....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 0:04:27 GMT -5
Scott: Back in the dark ages when I collected snakes, there was one snake that was the holy grail and that seemed to have more collectors than snakes, the San Francisco Garter Snake, Thamnophis s. tetrataenia. Guess they're endangered now. My major professor, Sam McGinnis was really into studying them but boy, that was one snake that was uber hard to find. Black Toad from up at Deep Springs was a rare item too. haha, San Fran Garters are only found in about two ponds in Cali!  BUT, you can go to a European show and buy unlimited babies for about $75. Plus no Californian/American could care less. Nobody wants garter snakes. Pretty or not, they stink. Nobody is hunting them, but even if all 1000 herpers showed up, there would still be more snakes than herpers Black toads?   They are completely badass. Only found in one pound on private property at a private college. Nobody hunting them either. But thousands abound, in that one well protected pond and surrounding habitat. I love those species. Similar but quite different. I doubt one can actually say which is 'larger'. I love that both species evolved in a manner that caused the males and females to NOT compete for food. Completely different sizes eating different food. Awesome biology. I am told there is an analogous species pair farther south on private ranches but undescribed to science. Similar river drainages, farther south support new species. Can you confirm this habitat may exist? Mel, I need to visit you! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 0:15:47 GMT -5
jamesp RE: Map Turtle sizes - there are two groups of species in the genus Graptemys. Small and large. The small one are more common (except for mel's Cagles/Texas Maps) They are smaller and may be found in many river drainages. The large species are more rare and only found in one river for each species (mostly). The females are feeders on mussels. They have huge heads for crushing clamshells and eating the juicy sweet meat inside. A large female can be a foot long! Here is an image of the Escambia River Map Turtle (Graptemys gibbonsi). A large adult female.  and her head  and last - her adult male boyfriend 
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 2:51:57 GMT -5
This is Grap. Caglei of Mel's Guadalupe river. Is that pretty,wow  |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 11, 2013 2:54:54 GMT -5
The mussel eating is new to me. Look at the head on that heifer. And she is a dirigible. haha. BBW
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