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Post by grayfingers on Oct 3, 2013 9:12:58 GMT -5
Here is one that came from north of Yellowstone, These mountain bucks stay up high unless the rut and cold weather bring them down.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 3, 2013 9:46:46 GMT -5
I know the 7mm. Our whitetails are not easy to kill so 7mm are fairly common. I am guessing that is a muley the way the high tines split. How many inches between the horns? It looks giganticus and nicely symmetrical.
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 3, 2013 10:23:17 GMT -5
James, yup it is a Mulie. He has a spread of 27 1/2". I am refinishing (old, shot varnish) some fat racks my Dad and Grandfather got way back in the day, will post pics when done. I lost a bigger one than this in the Missouri Breaks, (Desolate section of the Missouri river, accessible by floating in only.)It was the only deer I shot and did not get. He fell into a cave up in the rims. Still bum out thinking about that huge deer, maybe he will become a fossil.
I have taken a few whitetails, I am a meat hunter and prefer to shoot a long-yearling doe. Them Whitetails are some good eating, better than Mule deer if they are on grainfields.
Off topic, but there is a good Western that was filmed on location in Montana. Never see it on TV. The Missouri Breaks is a 1976 American western film starring Marlon Brando and Jack Nicholson. The film was directed by Arthur Penn, with supporting performances by Randy Quaid, Harry Dean Stanton, Frederic Forrest, John McLiam and Kathleen Lloyd. The score was composed by John Williams.
The title of the movie refers to a forlorn and very rugged area of north central Montana, where over eons the Missouri River has made countless deep cuts or "breaks" in the land. Edit: Sorry, the link I posted is the French version. Will see if I can find it elsewhere.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 3, 2013 10:39:59 GMT -5
Wow. We are lucky to get 24 on a whitetail. What a moose. Bet the old antlers are looking good for size too. Sorry you lost one. That is a heart break. Especially if you had to go so far back. And injuring the animal. A bad scene all around and is the unfortunate part of hunting. It happens to all of em. I had a monster run 4 does under me and he stopped. i was in a stand this time and he was 10 feet below me and i saw brown hair and shot straight under me(moving my foot). I shot and saw a 3 foot circle of brown hair and was instantly disgusted. Got down from the stand, set gun against tree, took 10 steps and looked up and had enough time to count 12 points.
NEVER leave your gun behind. i saw a streak on his side where i skinned him. At least he was fine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 12:27:01 GMT -5
thanks for the stories gentlemen.
Personally, I haven't actually taken big game yet. I did make a conscious pass on a volkswagen beetle size boar. He was 30 yards slightly up hill from me, wind in my face 200 yards from the truck. Two things kept me from shooting him. He was skylined and I could not be sure what was behind him and second he was so flipping big and I was alone, the panzy ass in me said, "no you are here for a sow". Ten minutes later I saw a sow with piglets, passed on her too. I am not gonna starve little piggies like that. I was shooting 3/4oz cooper slugs in my rifled barrel single shot 12 gauge.
Maybe this winter I'll hire a pig guide. I favor pork over venison.
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Post by quartz on Oct 3, 2013 17:06:33 GMT -5
Hanky-panky in the brush, nope, too many sticker bushes. Like all that .270 talk, with 130's they are hard to beat. Shotgunner, come up to Oregon and hunt feral pigs around John Day. A couple people I know that have gotten them say the meat is nice and lean, sort of pre-spiced with sage.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 3, 2013 18:41:28 GMT -5
Larry I buy 170 grain special order and load by hand. Plastic tips for spitzer ballistics and lets just say stopping power.
The ole 270 is too fast shooting thru the bush w/130 and brush penetration is important for much of our conditions. A slight impact wacks the bullet at 3600 fps or whatever it is.
Hogs are devastating. I think Texas has it worst.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 20:49:37 GMT -5
I have not hunted for a long long time but when I did it was 243 or black powder. I ALWAYS took neck shots and I either ate them or missed them. With the black powder it was "take whatever you could get close enough to". Which can be very tough in Montana. No place for a man to hide like there is back east. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 21:00:55 GMT -5
Hanky-panky in the brush, nope, too many sticker bushes. Like all that .270 talk, with 130's they are hard to beat. Shotgunner, come up to Oregon and hunt feral pigs around John Day. A couple people I know that have gotten them say the meat is nice and lean, sort of pre-spiced with sage. thanks for the lead. I had heard they made it to oregon, but did not know where. Do you have a friend who might guide? PM me if so. Thakns!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 21:31:49 GMT -5
Larry I buy 170 grain special order and load by hand. Plastic tips for spitzer ballistics and lets just say stopping power. The ole 270 is too fast shooting thru the bush w/130 and brush penetration is important for much of our conditions. A slight impact wacks the bullet at 3600 fps or whatever it is. Hogs are devastating. I think Texas has it worst. Truly loving all the chatter about calibers and bullet weights and designs. I love that stuff and am constantly learning. Thanks guys! My 30-06 at 3000fps with 150gr Barnes Triple Shock X bullets will take anything I plan to hunt. I am good now to 200 yards and can within a couple of trips to the range be good to 400 yards. jamesp - it looks to me like rural Texas has more wild pigs than humans! I had a reptile client whose biz was trapping and shootin' wild hogs. He sold them for $4 a pound hangin' weight to "upscale restaurants". They took all he could catch or shoot. @wampidy, neck shots are the ticket! Large kill zone, drops 'em fast. I used to practice that with my 25 cal pellet rifle (85 grain pellet at 800fps for 105fpe) on feral housecats at the dairy farm. Housecats are a super tough animal. They'll run 100 yards after a dead kill heart shot. Head shots were effective, unless the pellet bounces. Then they'd be cuncussed, but up and running before I could load a second pellet. Hit 'em in the neck and they fold like a house of cards. My buddy in Colorado took 6 elk 6 years straight with a 243 and factory ammo. Neck shots kill 'em dead!
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Post by jamesp on Oct 4, 2013 2:33:52 GMT -5
Those plastic tip bullets are not only ballistically efficient but super deadly for mammal sized body cavities. Yes, they split 4 ways and and after 6-10 inches of travel devastate. Right thru the largest part, the lungs and that deer will be dead. GON (Georgia Outdoor News) has written a lot of negative info about head and neck shots. To easy to cut his wind pipe and shoot his jaw off. Most injured animals i see are fouled head and neck shots.
Looks like Alabama is really overpopulated. Check out limit of 2 adult does per day.
"UNANTLERED DEER (except spotted fawns)
During the Unantlered Deer Gun, Special Muzzleloader, Bow and Arrow, Spear, and Special Youth (under 16) Seasons – two deer per day – only one of which may be an antlered buck (two unantlered deer; or, one unantlered deer and one antlered deer). See Special Exception #2 for selected areas with one unantlered deer per day limit during firearms season."
The 30.06 is the most common gun used here. I loaded 220 grain bullets for bush velocity of 2300 fps. I killed a deer after the bullet went through a 3 inch tree several feet in front of the deer. We are always threading shots between trees/brush. Often with a few inch gap visible between trees.
In the thicket, the monsters roam. Often laying next too you with brier rabbit. Chewin his cud and laughing at you. In a 50 foot circle of blackberrys that can stop a mule. Best to put a wind up alarm clock in there when he is out eating and set it for 1:00 PM when he is asleep. You may catch a shot at him as he is high tailing.
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Post by ash on Oct 4, 2013 10:33:58 GMT -5
Here in LA most folks use a 30-06 as well. I bought one, a Savage bolt action, and wish now that I would have bought a 243 instead. I love the rifle, but man, that thing kicks like a MULE! I have always used my dad's, which is a semi-automatic, but went with the bolt action for some reason.
Here we have a one deer a day rule, but i think you can take one doe and one buck in the same day, too lazy to go look lol, six deer total, only two of which can be antlered. I don't deer hunt so much anymore because I HATE to sit in a stand. I grew up running dogs and loved it. We raised lemon spotted walker dogs and they could fly! Back in the day, we could hunt almost anywhere, but now the big woods are all leased up so the folks that run dogs just use beagles so they can catch the dogs, plus the deer usually don't go too far cause the beagles don't push them like walkers did. I can remember jumping a big deer, prob a buck and they left the country like an arrow, those deer were almost never seen.
As far as being inhumane, I raised them all from puppies so they were my babies lol. I wish that I had some pictures now. Most folks think that people deer hunt with dogs to kill a lot of deer. Actually, if you really want to kill a lot of deer, especially big deer, dogs are not the way. Dog hunters mostly hunt to hear the dogs, there is something about it that is, quite simply, awesome. When I was a kid, there was a whole crew of mostly older men that fox hunted as well. I can remember sitting on the side of the road or on a pipeline in the dark listening to the dogs run. I really miss it sometimes. My father sold our dogs when I went to college, they were mine anyway. By then, we had a mix of walkers, lemon spotted, blueticks and walker/bluetick mix. Great dogs, you get the speed with the walker and the cold nose with the blue tick, but don't have to worry about them staying forever on a cold track. Blue tick puppies are a trip, all ears and feet and absolutely no coordination at all!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 10:50:07 GMT -5
yeah, I hear a lot of chatter about neck shots not being efficient. I just do not like that heart shot pigs run 2-300 yards then expire. Heart shot coyote ran so far I never found him. Both animals shot on film for television. Watch the TV hunting shows. Everything shot heart lung runs a fair distance. TV hunters never use neck shots. Maybe the spectacle of the animal running off is desired for production.
I have taken over 50 (maybe 80) animals by neck shot. Cats, possums, coons, skunks, coyote.. 100% have dropped on the spot they stood on. None have had a jaw shot off. I am doing this on much smaller animals with much smaller kill zones. Practice with your weapons, tune your ammo to small groups and follow good sniping practices... do that and you will hit what you aim for.
For what it's worth, if you aim for a neck shot and take the jaw off, you probably will miss heart and lungs too. That is a pretty big miss. If you shoot out the trachea, you most likely got the carotid arteries too. Dead.
Personally I don't care which shots folks use. Being responsible hunters, I hope they use ones they are confident in and make good clean kills. I doubt I'd ever get a deer in the georgia woods. I most likely wouldn't try to thread the needle with 3000 foot pounds of energy. I'd be petrified to have a ricochet travel some distance and do damage somewhere far off. You are better trained than me. And have more sausage!
South Carolina used to not have a season. I cannot confirm that now. pdf viewer not working.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 6, 2013 13:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 13:50:51 GMT -5
Camera is doing great. Cool pics.
Like Scott said, if you shoot your rifle enough to get good with it it does not matter what shot you take you are going to drop them. I have never lost a deer and I have never had to take a second shot.
I saw one guy running and shooting on the run. Yes, there are people that stupid out there. Another guy shooting over the top of his convertible car with a scope. Put three shots inside his car splattered on the heavy metal over the windshield. There was someone sitting inside the car. Damn lucky. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Oct 6, 2013 17:56:39 GMT -5
My old timer neighbor always killed deer in his crops resting his 270 on the P/U truck-with iron sights.
His nephew put a scope on it for him and the old fella kept complaining about the bullet hitting 30 feet to left,then 40 feet short-all over the place.
Nephew found 5 holes in the other side of the bed where the scope had lowered the shot 2 inches up close.
They laughed at MR. Campbell for a long time.(it was Sammy Frankie).
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Post by jamesp on Oct 9, 2013 13:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 13:29:28 GMT -5
My old timer neighbor always killed deer in his crops resting his 270 on the P/U truck-with iron sights. His nephew put a scope on it for him and the old fella kept complaining about the bullet hitting 30 feet to left,then 40 feet short-all over the place. Nephew found 5 holes in the other side of the bed where the scope had lowered the shot 2 inches up close. They laughed at MR. Campbell for a long time.(it was Sammy Frankie). Now, that I have read this three times I understand what happened! The scope could see a close deer but the barrel could not so he blew holes in his truck! So, take the effing scope off and let ole Mr Campbell kill deer anyway he wants. Poor ole codger.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 24, 2013 11:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mark K on Oct 24, 2013 11:51:43 GMT -5
Game cams are easy. And James, you need to learn how to do it like me.
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