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Post by 1dave on Nov 18, 2013 7:21:28 GMT -5
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Post by 1dave on Nov 18, 2013 11:07:05 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this post, I've only had any real experience with wire wrapping and pmc. To add a note about the pmc, you don't need a kiln, you can use a butane torch with many of the brands. The copper pmc is much cheaper than the silver for anyone who wants to dabble. Thanks Marie!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 22:55:06 GMT -5
@marie, any PMC tips you might share?
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Post by 1dave on Nov 20, 2013 11:45:01 GMT -5
@marie, any PMC tips you might share? Yes Marie, PLEASE!
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Post by Marie on Nov 23, 2013 15:06:16 GMT -5
To start, there a few different brands and they all vary from each other. Most sites will state if you can fire using a torch, and I personally order from Riogrande. Its hard to find good deals on pmc, even on ebay or amazon. I use pmc3, but I've also used Artclay, and I like the Artclay copper clay. The original pmc requires a kiln. Other than that, its just personal preference. I might add the copper clay is more difficult to "cook" than silver clay. In my opinion, pmc3 is sturdier than others and has less shrinkage.
Working with your clay is the easy and fun part. You can use push molds like with polymer clay. You can use items you already have and make molds of them using oven-bake polymer clay, just spray your item before with pam so the polymer clay doesn't stick to it. You can make great organic shapes with it. Working with the clay is all about experimentation, and there's a lot you can do. Pmc3 sells an item which is basically a syringe filled with slip that you can use to connect pieces of fired silver or other pure silver parts together. The opportunities are endless with this. If you want to use cabs or stones be sure they can surive 1500º flame.
Once you are done making your clay piece, let it sit out and dry completely, which can take about a day. Clay you don't use you want to make sure has as little exposure to the air as possible.
To actually 'cook' the clay you will need a soldering block. A soldering block is worth the investment, and Riogrande carries them as well. A safety note: always fire in a well ventilated area since there are fumes released from the bonding process. Take your butane torch and make sure its filled since you will have it on for several minutes. You don't want to use something more powerful than a butane torch since it will melt or overcook your piece (done this before). You want to turn it on, but don't have it on "full blast" unless its a very weak torch. I have mine at like 3/4s power, but every torch is different. You want to hold the torch fairly close, but not so close the flame is touching the piece. The piece will flame, and there will be smoke. Try to keep the flame moving around the whole piece. The point is to evenly heat the whole item, like a kiln, and you don't want one part to get hotter than the others. You will have to do this for several minutes. You are waiting til the item gets "red hot"(more of an orange), and then, depending on the thickness of project, keep the flame on it for another 3-6 minutes for pmc3, and 5-10 for pmc+. Its easier to tell if you've over done it, since the piece will be very shiny. It should be matte. Let it cool when its done. Some people dunk it in cool water to accelerate the cooling process, but I'm not a fan of doing this. With pmc, patience is key. Be sure to let it cool slowly if there's a stone in the piece. The firing process takes experience and practice. If its shiny after or it melted or folded- too hot. If it never got red or orange- not enough heat.
I'm sure I left something out. I'll work on a photo tutorial once I have more time, little busy with the first thanksgiving I have to cook for inlaws!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 16:51:04 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to write that. Very informative. Good luck with the cooking. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 20:32:45 GMT -5
awesome Marie! Great essay. Is there shrinkage during firing? If so, is it predictable?
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Post by pghram on Nov 24, 2013 19:21:49 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for sharing that. I see you mention firing with the stone in place. I have read (I've never used PMC) that you can fire then set. Which way do you think is best?
Rich
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Post by 1dave on Nov 24, 2013 21:20:06 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for sharing that. I see you mention firing with the stone in place. I have read (I've never used PMC) that you can fire then set. Which way do you think is best? Rich Make sure the stone can take the heat! Then no sweat, and you can do things otherwise almost impossible.
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Post by 1dave on Jan 6, 2014 10:26:18 GMT -5
I'm impressed by how many expert "first pieces" we are seeing!
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Post by kk on Jan 6, 2014 10:37:21 GMT -5
That is something seriously to consider in the future. See that kind of process rather than actual metal-work for me. Thanks for the post.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 6, 2014 10:45:09 GMT -5
Back when pmc was first available, I tried it. The early pmc had a lot of shrinkage. It was so difficult to get precise or even close measurements, that I gave it up. The new stuff has far less shrinkage. I thought about trying it again. I have a glass kiln, so all I really need is the clay. However, one thing at a time.... silver sheet has my attention right now. If Gilson opals were still available, I'd take it up again in a heart beat. They are what made me want to get into it in the first place. You could fire them in place- along with the boro glass cabs I was making.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Aug 1, 2016 20:59:03 GMT -5
I want to make myself a ring with a 6x9mm ruby. The silver has a shrinkage of 8-12%. What is the best method of setting this gem?
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Post by metalsmith on Aug 14, 2016 12:35:30 GMT -5
I'd be really careful about firing a ruby. You'd be adding heat treatment to the ruby, which if it wasn't already heat treated would have the effect of devaluing; secondly, many rubies are glass-filled and the risk of heating would be to cause the glass fill to run exposing the less than perfect stone; thirdly without careful heating and very careful cooling you risk further fractures. TBH I'd think about setting a stone like that outside of clay and kiln.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Aug 14, 2016 21:58:33 GMT -5
I personally dug these rubies out of the dirt and had them professionally cut. I'm going to torch fire the silver pcm clay. If I can calculate the shrinkage I'm okay with adding it later. I need to get the mounting space pretty accurate though. The three rubies are visually flawless. I have several pounds of uncut gemstones yet to be cut. I have already sold a loose pair of garnets for a $120 profit. Your comments are full of good information. Thanks. I'm not rushing this project.
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Post by metalsmith on Aug 15, 2016 13:29:15 GMT -5
I personally dug these rubies out of the dirt and had them professionally cut. I'm going to torch fire the silver pcm clay. If I can calculate the shrinkage I'm okay with adding it later. I need to get the mounting space pretty accurate though. The three rubies are visually flawless. I have several pounds of uncut gemstones yet to be cut. I have already sold a loose pair of garnets for a $120 profit. Your comments are full of good information. Thanks. I'm not rushing this project. Sounds amazing! Re adding them later would be the way to go. That way you benefit from the wide options open to your design in metal clay and don't risk the stones. An untreated, flawless ruby that size (dependent on colour, cut, clarity) would be worth a stack. Don't compare it with the glass-filled material that is common on the internet right now. In terms of setting it, I'd concentrate on the design to accentuate the stones, incorporate how you'd set them dependent on the design and the shape of the stones. Those must have been quite some garnets too.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Aug 20, 2016 17:01:07 GMT -5
These arrived yesterday from metalclays.com:
Ring Maker - 8mm - (9-10 US Size) Ceramic Shrinkage Stopper, #21( 9-1/4 to 9-1/2 US)
I'll do a test ring in a few weeks. I looked at the rubies under real good light and they are more pink than they looked outdoors. Hopefully the heat will make them a deeper red.
The dog and I are headed to a jewely swap meet and make in a few minutes.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Sept 5, 2016 8:55:19 GMT -5
I'm feeling more confident. I got a ring mold that adjusts for shrinkage, plus a ceramic plug to keep the inside diameter my size. I'll do a test ring before adding the ruby.
I've been sticking with wire wrapped rings and a few sets of earrings. A friend gives me good feedback. She has a shop downtown. She is evaluating a ring made with brass. If it wears well she might buy some of my pieces outright. She doesn't do commission work. She would pay me 50%. She thinks the rings will go for $15-20 each. I'll be happy with $7.50-10 per on my end. I can easily make five rings an hour. I buy the wire by the pound. The stones, etc. are bought at a discount. Few rings cost mor than 50 cents to make. I enjoy the process so labor isn't an issue.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Sept 9, 2016 9:14:20 GMT -5
So, I made my first silver pmc ring last night. It snapped off on the bottom. It will still work as a 4/5th round. I was shaping too hard. I also designed a pendant. They will get torch fired in a few days. I'm not ready for stone setting yet, but it was a good experience. Pictures at some point. Thanks for the support.
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Post by shermandukejewelry on Sept 9, 2016 9:54:57 GMT -5
Ring broke in two. It will become a set of curved ear dangles. I'll need to order a thicker ring mold. Accidents can produce real beauty once you look past failure.
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