meta7
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Post by meta7 on Feb 10, 2014 11:32:43 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
I was looking into buying a couple of the really large tumbler barrels that Diamond Pacific now makes. My problem is that I have recently moved out of a home and into an apartment. And so, I need my tumblers to be as quiet as possible. The rubber 12lb lortone barrels are quiet enough for me, but all of the larger barrels that are on the market are plastic or metal and do not have any rubber lining.
Does anyone know of a way to put rubber lining inside the barrels, or a rubber spray/melt that would work? The rocks are just too noisy when they hit plastic or metal.
My barrels will be individually dedicated to a single grit/barrel, so it does not matter if the lining is prone to having grit get stuck in it.
Thanks, :-) Dave
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Post by phil on Feb 10, 2014 11:46:29 GMT -5
Make your own from used go cart tires.
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Post by garock on Feb 11, 2014 14:58:50 GMT -5
The first tumbler I had, I used paint cans for my barrels. Had to "burp" them everyday to be safe. I used old car tire inner tubes. Cut them to the outside diameter and glued them on the inside of the barrel. Also glued inner tube to the ends. Worked pretty good back in the late 50's when I first got started. I lived about a thousand yards from a truck stop. The always had plenty of inner tubes. Reduced the noise alot.
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meta7
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Post by meta7 on Feb 11, 2014 21:47:24 GMT -5
What kind of glue would you recommend? The barrels will probably be plastic. If not, then metal.
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Post by phil on Feb 12, 2014 15:07:26 GMT -5
I'm telling ya, one used go cart tire, 2 pieces of metal center drilled, one bolt with some large washers and nuts, and you've got a cheap long lasting tumbler barrel!
And if you want bigger, use an ATV tire, and plywood rounds!
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 12, 2014 21:19:13 GMT -5
I want a set of drag slicks Lee #2
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Post by sak on Feb 13, 2014 1:38:12 GMT -5
Hi Meta7, I can feel your pain, trying to create something that isn't readily available. I have a good solution for you although it may not be the cheapest solution it will be an effective one. Regarding the glue, JB Weld is perftect. I've used JB-Weld to glue rubber to my PVC barrels and it works. The first time I did it, I attached the rubber to the PVC with JB-Weld and then after it cured I submerged the barrels in water for a week to ensure the JB-Weld would still hold. And it did. Regarding the rubber, there's lots of places you can get that. I did a quick Google search and found an online place that sells sheet-rubber with various thicknesses. They also have rubber with an adhesive back, and while that may sound appealing, I wouldn't trust that adhesive given your application. I would get the sheet rubber without the adhesive and as I said before just use the JB-Weld. See the link below. www.rubbersheetroll.com/rubber-sheets.htmHope this helps. Sak.
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Post by panamark on Feb 13, 2014 8:52:59 GMT -5
Hi Dave, I thought I posted this already but don't see it. Anyway, I tried some spray on truck bed liner (like Rhino-liner) thinking that would be great. But it was too soft and within a week had all worn off. A surprising disappointment. Next I tried gluing in rubber inner tube. I bought a used huge truck tire innertube at a tire store. It was big enough it had some nice large flat areas. I glued them using "Shoe Goop" adhesive and roughened both the innertube and the inside of the barrel. This has worked very well for several months so far. HTH.
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Post by StoneGolem on Feb 20, 2014 0:58:05 GMT -5
My Thumbler's Tumbler has a 15lb barrel(model B) and is made of metal and lined with 3/8" or so of rubber. Last I checked, they sell complete replacement barrels as well as the rubber inserts. It is nice and quiet. I got it over at www.therockshed.com if you're interested.
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meta7
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Post by meta7 on Feb 20, 2014 23:57:51 GMT -5
Sak,
How thick of a rubber lining would you recommend? Basically it is going to be a 16" high by. 13" diameter barrel with 1 large 5-10 pound rock, lots of non-abrasive media, water & grit. I want it to be as quiet as the lortone. 12 lb barrels.
Thoughts ?
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Post by sak on Feb 22, 2014 1:36:24 GMT -5
Sak, How thick of a rubber lining would you recommend? Basically it is going to be a 16" high by. 13" diameter barrel with 1 large 5-10 pound rock, lots of non-abrasive media, water & grit. I want it to be as quiet as the lortone. 12 lb barrels. Thoughts ? Hi Dave, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You're asking a simple question to a somewhat more complex situation. So, I'm going to give you a simple answer followed by a complex answer. Before I get into the answer, just understand that I am completely anal, and I do things the way there intended to be done (even if no one is looking). So here goes, the simple answer is... 1/4" minimum. Now, the complex answer… Before we get into the details I've got some questions for you to consider; 1) Regarding the barrel, is it expensive or not? 2) Do you want to have the option of reusing the barrel after the rubber has deteriorated? 3) Are you open to to a solution that may cost more then simply purchasing sheet rubber and JB weld? Okay, so here's the deal. If the barrel is inexpensive, then you could get sheet rubber & glue it. The intention there would be that when the rubber deteriorates you will dispose of the barrel (because you won't be able to remove the deteriorated rubber...I'm assuming your using JB weld). If, on the other hand, you want to salvage the barrel and your budget allows for it, you could get a custom rubber insert fabricated to your specs. This allows you to simply replace the insert after it deteriorates thereby salvaging your barrel. I actually found a manufacturer who was willing to custom fabricate 1 insert to my specs for as low as $24. If this appeals to you, I can post the details of the company that I located. Regardless of the solution you choose, you need to choose the appropriate rubber. There are 4 factors that you want to consider. They are; 1) MATERIAL (there are many different kinds of rubber to choose., For ex., Neoprene, epdm etc). FYI, neoprene will probably be the cheapest. Below is a link of all different rubber types. www.merl-ltd.co.uk/2003_materials/rubber12.shtml2) HARDNESS. I would recommend a (durometer) Shore A rating of 65-70. See the links below for durometer explanations. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shore_durometerwww.smooth-on.com/Durometer-Shore-Ha/c1370/index.html3) ABRASION RESISTENCE. Below is a link to a research document that explains abrasion and rubber. Pay close attention to page 11-12 (section 3) specifically on ASTM 1630. I would recommend finding sheet rubber with high 1630 score. www.intechopen.com/download/get/type/pdfs/id/317054) THICKNESS. 1/4", 3/8" would give you a better insulating effect and would theoretically last longer. I wouldn't go much thicker than that. I hope what I've documented here helps you choose the correct approach and best materials. Let me know if you have any further questions. Sak
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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2014 8:05:36 GMT -5
For the money and durability your 12 pound Lortone is going to be hard to beat. It is about as quiet as it gets since it is entirely rubber on the rock to barrel contact . I built a lot of barrels. Mostly noisy ones. But those 'made for the job' barrels are hard to beat. They were made to run quiet. Which pretty much means rubber is by far the best choice. Tires are really tough. I sealed my tire tumblers by inflation a sports ball that would fit in the tire hole. Then deflated it to get the rocks out. Many ATV tires accept a volleyball. I sealed the hole in this tumbler with a 28 inch exercise ball. Never leaked a bit. May be a bit big for an apartment
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Post by dshalldms on May 20, 2014 8:03:24 GMT -5
Hi,
Many years ago I solved your problem by using an old rubber blanket from a Litho Printing Press.
This material has the added advantage of a cloth surface on one side and smooth rubber surface on the other.
Hope this helps,
Derek
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meta7
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Post by meta7 on Dec 30, 2014 22:23:02 GMT -5
Sak,
You wrote: "I actually found a manufacturer who was willing to custom fabricate 1 insert to my specs for as low as $24. If this appeals to you, I can post the details of the company that I located."
Could you please give us the info on that company? I would be interested in getting custom inserts made for the XXL Diamond Pacific barrels as well as some other barrels, or even buckets.
Thank you, :-) Dave Lukaszewicz
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 22:22:52 GMT -5
The first tumbler I had, I used paint cans for my barrels. Had to "burp" them everyday to be safe. I used old car tire inner tubes. Cut them to the outside diameter and glued them on the inside of the barrel. Also glued inner tube to the ends. Worked pretty good back in the late 50's when I first got started. I lived about a thousand yards from a truck stop. The always had plenty of inner tubes. Reduced the noise alot. I think that is a good bit of thinking outside the box. Nice!!
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Post by minerken on Jan 1, 2015 23:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by matt2432 on Jan 2, 2015 15:03:42 GMT -5
If you REALLY wanted it quiet, you could always build a sound enclosure to run it in. Something similar to what you would do with a shop vac to keep the noise down, although I suppose you want the inside to be a little more waterproof in case the tumbler spilled. It would never wear out or need replacing like a rubber liner... home.comcast.net/~prestondrake/Stuff_Workshop_shopvacsilencer.htmJust an idea...
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Post by Intheswamp on Sept 25, 2015 12:07:19 GMT -5
Hi Dave, I thought I posted this already but don't see it. Anyway, I tried some spray on truck bed liner (like Rhino-liner) thinking that would be great. But it was too soft and within a week had all worn off. A surprising disappointment. Next I tried gluing in rubber inner tube. I bought a used huge truck tire innertube at a tire store. It was big enough it had some nice large flat areas. I glued them using "Shoe Goop" adhesive and roughened both the innertube and the inside of the barrel. This has worked very well for several months so far. HTH. Hey Mark. How did the inner tube and Shoe-Goop hold up? Still working? Thanks!
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Post by jamesp on Sept 25, 2015 17:42:46 GMT -5
One thing for sure, tumbler barrels got to be darn near bulletproof. And totally cleanable. Lortone solid rubber still about as quiet as it gets.
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Post by panamark on Sept 26, 2015 9:01:35 GMT -5
Hi Dave, I thought I posted this already but don't see it. Anyway, I tried some spray on truck bed liner (like Rhino-liner) thinking that would be great. But it was too soft and within a week had all worn off. A surprising disappointment. Next I tried gluing in rubber inner tube. I bought a used huge truck tire innertube at a tire store. It was big enough it had some nice large flat areas. I glued them using "Shoe Goop" adhesive and roughened both the innertube and the inside of the barrel. This has worked very well for several months so far. HTH. Hey Mark. How did the inner tube and Shoe-Goop hold up? Still working? Thanks! Yes Ed, it has not come loose at all and is barely showing any wear! Turns out that the Shoe-Goop holds very well as long as the surface is real clean before gluing.
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