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Post by jamesp on Mar 25, 2014 19:46:51 GMT -5
Those plant take inundation for a month at a time. So Jean has not drowned hers. Not enough time.
Scott looks like he has dead one too. They probably died from heat shock.
Jean's and Scott's have taken off at fast rate meaning it was hot. I can tell it was hot by the rapid growth of the survivors.
Planting them when it is cooler is better. I have waited and planted in June when it is hot. I lose 1/4 and the other 3/4 grow fast.
If I sent you seedlings you would have lost over 3/4 of them.
I got 144 little tissue cultured plants in. Put them in the green house March 2 w/30% shade cloth. Little 3 inch
tall rascals got brown tips from sun intensity. But due to cool conditions and cloudiness i have 100% survival.
And pulled a few and have new white roots. I have received TC plants and stuck them in the same spot and lost over
half of them because it got and sunny for a couple days and i forgot them and cooked them.
so i sent those to you guys to plant and see what happens.
1) I can tell you there is plenty of warmth and sunlight.
2) Next time start them earlier or in a cooler enviro or screened light or a combo.
So bare root sarrecenias will either cook or take off like a rocket in your conditions at that point of the season.
No different than here.
As far as rain, do not worry unless you are going to have 4 inches a week for several weeks. Not gonna happen out that way is it?
Just do not let the water pan flood and fill too high. I leave my stock plants out all year and have rarely had a problem w/rain Pat.
If i was to order the perfect conditions, it would be 6 months Mojave heat/sun, 5 months Tennessee winter, and 1 month gradual warm up between the two.
The only worry i ever had about those doing well out there is a long enough cold dormancy. Had a very long cold winter here and can tell the sarracenias
are gonna be one of the best crops so far. They thrive off of a dormancy. I cover the greenhouse doors during the warm season for max heat and open
them during winter for max cold. It is a strange crop that way.
If i sent you guys potted plants you would have zero loss. Can about be sure of that. California is strict about not shipping soil, so that is not a good idea.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 26, 2014 8:57:49 GMT -5
As far as rain, do not worry unless you are going to have 4 inches a week for several weeks. Not gonna happen out that way is it? Just do not let the water pan flood and fill too high. I leave my stock plants out all year and have rarely had a problem w/rain Pat. Four inches of rain a week for several weeks? Don't have to worry about that! We've only had 4 1/2" of rain since last July 1!
Had expected some drizzle this am, but actually did get some measurable rain. It was not a driven rain, so my plants did not get dumped on.
As expected, the larger bloom is opening up! Some photos I took yesterday - 
The smaller bud, and the start of pitchers 
The real challenge will be when it starts to heat up!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 26, 2014 9:08:31 GMT -5
Out of 1000 pots, only one has an open flower(in the greenhouse !). Whatever you are doing there Jean, keep doing it.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 26, 2014 11:16:17 GMT -5
I really think it is the reflected heat off the pavers and side of the garage. Thanks, James, will do! Good to know I can do something right, lol!  |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 27, 2014 4:43:29 GMT -5
I really think it is the reflected heat off the pavers and side of the garage. Thanks, James, will do! Good to know I can do something right, lol! One thing for sure, you have lots of heat Jean. It was 25F yesterday morning and a bit windy. It was a close call for the buds outside. If it was calm, there would have been a frost and would have burned all the buds off the outside plants. The plants in the greenhouse are safe. They take lots of our fluctuating temps. Once established, they are real tough except the buds in cold climates. You will never get too hot there for established plants. Jean's yard by summer's end.  |
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Post by Pat on Mar 27, 2014 18:43:51 GMT -5
Here's the most advanced specimen we have.  IMG_2251 by Pat6489, on Flickr Notice it has little spikes down by the soil. This is the same plant.  IMG_2252 by Pat6489, on Flickr The trouble with slow growers, is it is not clear whether or not the plant is dead, hibernating, or just slow! |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 28, 2014 6:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 20:21:48 GMT -5
two of mine have zero green and two are thriving.
I will leave the brown ones for a bit more in case the plant makes a last ditch effort at survival!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2014 5:09:26 GMT -5
two of mine have zero green and two are thriving. I will leave the brown ones for a bit more in case the plant makes a last ditch effort at survival! Sometimes they will put sports up off the side of the old rhizome. Usually if the mother plant dies it takes the whole rhizome with it. If you have a long rhizome and a live mother plant there is a way to put slight cuts alone the rhizome to promote new buds. Never tried that. But have taken a long(live) rhizome and cut it into 1" - 2" lengths and planted them w/success. Takes a long time though. But only during dormancy and just before warm weather comes. All repotting/dividing/rhizome division and manipulation should be done at the very end of dormancy say (guessing) Feb in your area Scott.(including TC starts). TC plants should be ordered 6-12 months in advance for a FEB delivery due to demand. So think ahead... Dormant rhizomes are a bit like bulbs. If kept damp they can be stored for a good while. Found a timbered track of land with many S. Minors laying around and buried deep one winter. They were alive and well laying on the cool damp ground. Pitchers were also growing out of the ground where they had been buried 12 inches deep. But that was a stressed environment. If it was a warm weather situation the ones laying on the ground would quickly dry up and die. |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Apr 1, 2014 10:41:29 GMT -5
A few new pics
3/25/14 Stalk does a 180 turn, and points flower head down 
3/31/14 
Looking up from underneath 
Holding flower up 
4/1/14 This morning. Gave it some Viagra - April Fools!!! Stalk is lifting, tipping flower up. Getting some sprinkles here this morning. 
The plant with the smaller bud. The bud has not grown much, but it's got a good start on pitcher production. The one "dead" one to the right. I'll leave it as well, see what happens! 
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Post by jamesp on Apr 1, 2014 19:16:10 GMT -5
Jean, can you take a vernier and measure the diameter of the tall flower stalk starting 1 inch from the soil and every inch up till you hit the bend in the stalk and post them ?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Apr 1, 2014 23:37:27 GMT -5
Is this significant data, or makework for Alienna, lol?
Your results, sir:
@1" - .240"
@2" - .244"
@3" - .252"
@4" - .254"
@5" - .252"
@6" - .230"
@7" - .218"
@8" - .184"
@9" - .158"
@10" - .149"
@11" - .123" - the bend
So what does this tell you, besides that I can read a caliper?
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2014 1:29:23 GMT -5
It tells me that you fell for an April Fools trick. Ribs are sore from laughing.
Sincerely Grinningfromeartoear
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Post by rockpickerforever on Apr 2, 2014 1:59:36 GMT -5
Yes, pretty much what I expected. I'm a good sport, no? Think of me while your ribs are aching...
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2014 8:37:03 GMT -5
I figured you were way to socially saavy to be tricked by the likes of me.
Yes a good sport at the very least. Not sure I could pull anything over on you.
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 2, 2014 8:48:51 GMT -5
Haha that had me going too. I thought maybe James was wanting to check for excessive stem elongation.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Apr 2, 2014 8:51:16 GMT -5
James, I knew what you had in mind. I just went along with it, played the game.
Excessive stem elongation... Yes, I think that's it, Bill. No more blue pills for you, James.  |
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Post by Pat on Apr 2, 2014 9:18:15 GMT -5
I fell for it, too, but I am now grinning from ear to ear all the way down the page. You are gooood!
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 2, 2014 9:27:18 GMT -5
Used to grow blooming plants for retail. Lots of things involved in getting the type of growth desired. - DIF and/or Florel, A-Rest, B-Nine, Cycocel, Bonzi and Sumagic if growing too fast, gibberellic acid if coming on too slow. Also employed leaf and node counting to manage height.
So, would not be out of the question. . .
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2014 19:02:50 GMT -5
Your repertoire of growth agents is wide scale Bill. Ha, James needs more than Blue pills; considering some of Bill's plant products for the beanstalk Jean.
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