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blessed spending too much on rocks Member since January 2010 Posts: 329	Removed wire on "ain't wire but is an outside the box wrap" Jan 27, 2015 10:29:24 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by blessed on Jan 27, 2015 10:29:24 GMT -5 How did you join the ends of the string that goes around the neck? James B

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Jan 25, 2015 20:57:57 GMT -5 @shotgunner said:

what stone is this?

I do not have a clue Scott. At pow wow last year I bought a bunch of stone that the vendor said came out of a rusty bucket with Wyoming nephrite written on the outside so I assumed it was jade. It is not jade because it broke when I was trying to make a ring out of it. Easy to see on the break that it is not jade. The black has chatoyance like feldspar so that is one possibility but it has to have something heavy mixed in if it is. Gave some to Frank on the other forum and he can not ID it.
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Feb 2, 2015 15:17:05 GMT -5 @wampidy said:

Jan 25, 2015 20:57:57 GMT -5 @shotgunner said:

what stone is this?

I do not have a clue Scott. At pow wow last year I bought a bunch of stone that the vendor said came out of a rusty bucket with Wyoming nephrite written on the outside so I assumed it was jade. It is not jade because it broke when I was trying to make a ring out of it. Easy to see on the break that it is not jade. The black has chatoyance like feldspar so that is one possibility but it has to have something heavy mixed in if it is. Gave some to Frank on the other forum and he can not ID it.
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Any chance there's a tiny bit of orange pink in it? I think I know what it is. If I'm right I have a sphere of it.

Deleted Deleted Member Member since January 1970 Posts: 0	Removed wire on "ain't wire but is an outside the box wrap" Feb 2, 2015 16:00:32 GMT -5 snowmom likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 16:00:32 GMT -5 Hell yea, now that you mention it there is a tiny streak of pink/red through it that looks like a healed fracture. WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT. Jim

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Feb 2, 2015 16:00:32 GMT -5 @wampidy said:

Hell yea, now that you mention it there is a tiny streak of pink/red through it that looks like a healed fracture. WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT.
Jim

The stone I have came from Tennessee rock shop and was labelled unakite. Chuck and Rob disagree saying the black disqualifies it as unakite. No matter, if it is, it's low grade with almost no pink. The rock shop folks said that it came from a Tennessee "mine" and was their last piece until next order was delivered.

Is it possible you got that in my free rock sale last year?? It is so similar it looks like a cutoff from my sphere!! The sphere has black feldspar with the shiller you might expect. Needa better pic.

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Post by snowmom on Feb 2, 2015 18:15:29 GMT -5

If the olivine/epidote is very very dark, it can look black, I guess technically if that has happened here, then it is unakite. Just doesn't appear to be unakite because the green is so dark. little pendant, meet your momma. Don't you love a story with a happy ending?

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I think it's just granite myself. The rock store called it unakite. The black part is feldspar and the green is ... well.... green stuff. There is a nice rose/orange/pink stripe in it similar to real unakite.

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Feb 2, 2015 16:54:57 GMT -5 @shotgunner said:

Feb 2, 2015 16:00:32 GMT -5 @wampidy said:

Hell yea, now that you mention it there is a tiny streak of pink/red through it that looks like a healed fracture. WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT, WHAT I GOT.
Jim

The stone I have came from Tennessee rock shop and was labelled unakite. Chuck and Rob disagree saying the black disqualifies it as unakite. No matter, if it is, it's low grade with almost no pink. The rock shop folks said that it came from a Tennessee "mine" and was their last piece until next order was delivered.

Is it possible you got that in my free rock sale last year?? It is so similar it looks like a cutoff from my sphere!! The sphere has black feldspar with the shiller you might expect. Needa better pic.

Hornblende is super common in these parts Scott. Could that be the black component ? It occurs in many textures with quartz, felspar, quartzite, gneiss', gabbro, schist etc
It can also create needles and behave like black tourmaline. Probably the most common black component of Appalachian minerals. It glitters strongly when water worn

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That does look really really similar but the pieces I have do not look like stuff from prepping a sphere. And mine has no green. The black is super black and the light colored stuff is yellow or ?off yellow.

I will round up more pics when I am finished eating breakfast.
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Feb 2, 2015 19:39:20 GMT -5 @shotgunner said:

I think it's just granite myself. The rock store called it unakite. The black part is feldspar and the green is ... well.... green stuff. There is a nice rose/orange/pink stripe in it similar to real unakite.

black feldspar?

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Here are all the photos that I have of this rock. In one you will see that the SG is way too high for feldspar although it looks spot on with the stone in your sphere. I have been running this through my head and I have come to the conclusion that I could have gotten this from your box of scraps. I would have bet money that it came from pow wow but I have been wrong at least once before and the older I get the higher that number goes. Gotta blame it on sumpin right?

The thing that throws all of the theories off is the SG of 3.29 which is way higher than feldspar that comes in under quartz at 2.65. I have to admit that this rock has the chatoyance or light reflecting properties or whatever that feldspar has. And you will see that the red line is there exactly the same as the line in your piece.

Your turn.
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Post by Roger on Feb 3, 2015 22:48:01 GMT -5

@wampidy, I had to try this. I just did a quick mockup to see how it worked. I used some waxed linen cord and real fast wire twist to close it.

This is a really fast and simple way to make a wrap! I didn't spend anytime on the bail - but this is a brilliant wrapping technique

I think they will probably need a little glue - at least for me. I am not sure how well the cord will stay on without it.

Thank you for posting this!

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That cord looks real nice with that stone. Is the stone grooved? I would not make one without glue but there may be a problem gluing wax so a different cord might be best. Also with the slight inside curve there would have to be glue there.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:10:21 GMT -5 @wampidy said:

That cord looks real nice with that stone. Is the stone grooved? I would not make one without glue but there may be a problem gluing wax so a different cord might be best. Also with the slight inside curve there would have to be glue there.
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No groove. I have never tried to cut one. The idea intimidates the heck out of me lol. Waxed cord would not work for a real wrap, but it is all I had on-hand. After I made it home today, I had your wrap on my mind so I tried it with what I had handy.

Using cord is a fantastic idea! Thank you again for sharing it!

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Post by washingtonrocks on Feb 7, 2015 12:49:15 GMT -5

Nice wraps, Jim. Way to think out of the box! I might guess you have something in the Epidote/Zoisite family. SG's right. We have a jet black Rhodonite out my way that sometimes contains Zoisite or Epidote. Could be a possibility.

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