spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on May 18, 2015 19:04:10 GMT -5
Todays Ocean temps and Current pattern. I have to go with "La Nada"
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on May 18, 2015 19:31:00 GMT -5
New one on me spiritstone. Says La Nada occurs about half of the time.
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Post by Fossilman on May 18, 2015 19:44:41 GMT -5
Here it comes-LOL.................. I guess either way,we will have to deal with the weather!
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spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on May 18, 2015 19:54:02 GMT -5
New one on me spiritstone. Says La Nada occurs about half of the time. Thats just it .... No change all year in the temps or currents in the pacific. Same dry weather should happen all summer on the west coast.
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Post by snuffy on May 18, 2015 19:59:47 GMT -5
We have been getting rain every day still.The county south of us has some spots record 20" of rain the last 2 weeks.I quit keeping up with ours,this morning had a 2" wakeup shower!My 41st spring garden,never went this long without stringing out the water hose. Will be midsummer before I have to,if then.Aint complaining though.
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Post by parfive on May 18, 2015 20:06:14 GMT -5
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Post by spiritstone on May 18, 2015 20:49:26 GMT -5
I noticed 2013, thats why i added it in. El Niño is characterized by unusually warm temperatures. La Niña by unusually cool temperatures in the equatorial Pacific. If you look at the equator its in a hot to warm state, meaning not La Nina, but also not El Nino because it's not in the Pacific west coast, no mixing going on. The Pacific is still cool and stagnant, La Nada, Meaning No change Extreme dry or Extreme wet but unpredictable.
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Post by mohs on May 18, 2015 20:55:55 GMT -5
This is a most complicated arrangement. Incredible. Dominos come to mind. With lots of branches and forks. yep it is complicated the Hohokam & Anasazi had to leave due to a drought could happen here
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Post by jamesp on May 18, 2015 21:14:13 GMT -5
Drought in a selected area is bad situation for any location. Small native populations are quite resilient mohs. Large populations fairly untested territory. Long river like the Colorado and attached rights accentuates situation.
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Post by mohs on May 18, 2015 21:34:12 GMT -5
That’s for sure jamesp& trying to draw analogy of a drought between 14th century Indian settlement of 10,000 people tops to megatropolis like Phoenix would be dry proposition. and those that study this sort of thing aren’t even 100% sure why the Hohokam abandoned their settlement? drought is an easy answer could be other factors: internal strife, supernatural signs, encroachment of another tribe ect… One thing though we can be fairly sure of is: if there is no available water populations dwindle quickly.
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Post by vegasjames on May 19, 2015 0:35:44 GMT -5
SOL eh, I believe you are glad to get away from that place jakesrocks. Hear complaints on the forum about Cali. Well you took one thing they wish they had now ! I believe California has claims to the Colorado's water. After it flows thru a bunch of other states. Mexico also has some claims on that water.
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Post by jamesp on May 19, 2015 6:40:49 GMT -5
Rain and ice pack two separate issues that effect the Colorado. Watching rain here in the south. One inch of rain has a hard time making it to the creek in hot season. It absorbs into the dry ground and gets gobbled up by thirsty trees. During the cold season when the deciduous trees have lost their leaves becoming dormant and evaporation/ground absorption is low, a small rain fills the creeks, raises water table.
Cutting timber allows ground heating and high evaporation rates. Not so much a problem since we get 40-50 inches of rain a year. Looking at the damage from the pine beetle in the Rockies, lack of shade to protect the ice pack is a big deal. Apparently warmer winters reduced the ice pack too, along w/less snow fall. Several factors at play effecting the Colorado River. Primary factor is the ice pack for whatever reason is suffering.
Insects can reap havoc. Once conditions are favorable no forest is safe. The China Moth can fly in and lay eggs and the resultant larvae can eat water lily leaves for miles. When the lilies lose their pads wave action in the water body is greatly increased and so is shoreline erosion and increased water temps from lack of shade that the pads provide.
Barrier wetlands another issue. They are dying and land is falling off in the ocean at high rates. Canals allowing salt water intrusion did not help. Salt water carried in from hurricanes kills large amounts of protective vegetation. A natural process.
Bark and borer beetles are relentless and too concealed in the tree to treat with pesticides easily. They wipe out mature forests and nothing can be done.
Not sure the effect on Nina/Nino on ice pack.
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Post by jamesp on May 19, 2015 6:55:44 GMT -5
Native man may have been a musky fellow mohs LOL. No toilets or running water. Curious how those fellows stayed clean. Ocala Nat Forest is devoid of creeks, mostly large springs and a few large water ways. Watering holes limited, but the few there are large and clean. Makes artifact hunting a no brainer, hunt them around water. Trade routes were connected by water and routed through forests to avoid impenetrable scrub. Forest called islands, routes rarely in a straight line. Anyway, the giant springs were real party holes. Probably lots of leather string bikinis. We missed out Ed.
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Post by gemfeller on May 19, 2015 23:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on May 20, 2015 7:44:25 GMT -5
Solved that riddle @gemfellar. Does not take much water to make a lot of steam. Steam goes a long way in an insulated enclosure. Nothing like a sauna to make a clean body. You know those guys were proficient with fire, some real cold nights out west.
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Post by parfive on May 20, 2015 13:15:33 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on May 24, 2015 5:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by snowmom on May 24, 2015 5:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on May 25, 2015 7:21:46 GMT -5
Apalachicola Bay produces 90% of Florida's oysters. Oyster health depend on the water from the Chattahoochee(left river) and Flint River water feeds. Lack of water in these rivers during 2007 drought came close to severe damage to oyster reefs in the Bay. Closer in, Apalachicola Bay
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Post by jamesp on May 25, 2015 7:26:17 GMT -5
Time and place for concrete dam. What were the thinking snowmom ?
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