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Post by parfive on Jun 4, 2015 10:47:57 GMT -5
The water shortages that have brought California, Arizona and other Western states to the edge of an environmental cliff have been attributed to a historic climate event — a dry spell that experts worry could be the worst in 1,000 years. But an examination by ProPublica shows that the scarcity of water is as much a man-made crisis as a natural one, the result of decades of missteps and misapprehensions by governments and businesses as they have faced surging demand driven by a booming population.
The federal subsidies that prop up cotton farming in Arizona are just one of myriad ways that policymakers have refused, or been slow to reshape laws to reflect the West’s changing circumstances. Provisions in early–20th-century water-use laws that not only permit but also compel farmers and others to use more water than they need are another. “Use It or Lose It” is the cynical catch phrase for one of those policies. Read it a few more times. Then maybe what man-made actually refers to in this instance will unmire . . . or sink in. Whatever.
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Post by parfive on Jun 4, 2015 10:58:14 GMT -5
Since when does May 29 = “last winter” ?
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2015 7:50:27 GMT -5
Can there also be a looming Groundwater crisis that could affect Florida and the Midwest States. We've seen and heard of the sink holes. Is there a chance of running out of groundwater any time soon? Charlie The problem in Florida and along the coast is salt water intrusion as aquifers are pumped to lower levels at peak draws periods. It is a basic problem and certainly man made. Well understood and documented for at least 30-50 years. Not so much running out of water, but running out of fresh water or mixing salt with fresh. Sinkholes, yes, often caused by pumping aquifers down.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2015 7:53:11 GMT -5
Nothing like forensic science to expose the facts. Well done Scott. Maybe this will 'sink in'. Talkin Trees !! Drought game is a history game. Trees don't lie. They have a long story to tell. Love the I.D. channel.
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Post by parfive on Jun 5, 2015 11:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by captbob on Jun 5, 2015 11:43:45 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been brought up, as I haven't been following this thread (because I don't care) but the chart above using data from tree rings pretty much shows that this stuff is going to occur whether man is around or not. Point is; if it's too hot or too cold, too wet or too dry, there are going to be those that insist it's "man's" fault. If climate conditions were Goldilocks perfect worldwide I'm sure it would still somehow be a problem requiring more government control and regulations, redistribution of wealth and probably reparations to all that feel they (or their great-great grand parents) have been wronged in any way. Utopian weather would be blamed on man and used to create an agenda. No winning when trying to debate with libtards. They ignore facts and won't ever STFU even when facts prove them to be incorrect. They just whine louder, stomp their feet more and wrongfully attack and disparage all that dare disagree with them in an attempt to silence any opposition to "the cause". Logic, historical proof and facts be damned. standing by for enlightening libtard hissy fit ...
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 5, 2015 11:54:23 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been brought up, as I haven't been following this thread (because I don't care) but the chart above using data from tree rings pretty much shows that this stuff is going to occur whether man is around or not. Point is; if it's too hot or too cold, too wet or too dry, there are going to be those that insist it's "man's" fault. If climate conditions were Goldilocks perfect worldwide I'm sure it would still somehow be a problem requiring more government control and regulations, redistribution of wealth and probably reparations to all that feel they (or their great-great grand parents) have been wronged in any way. Utopian weather would be blamed on man and used to create an agenda. No winning when trying to debate with libtards. They ignore facts and won't ever STFU even when facts prove them to be incorrect. They just whine louder, stomp their feet more and wrongfully attack and disparage all that dare disagree with them in an attempt to silence any opposition to "the cause". Logic, historical proof and facts be damned. standing by for enlightening libtard hissy fit ... Here is another one they won't STFU about. Fracking not a widespread risk to drinking water, U.S. EPA finds U.S. Congress requested the study from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fracking-not-a-widespread-risk-to-drinking-water-u-s-epa-finds-1.3101735Who's not telling the truth here? ecowatch.com/2015/06/04/epa-fracking-pollutes-drinking-water/
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 5, 2015 11:59:23 GMT -5
Nothing like forensic science to expose the facts. Well done Scott. Maybe this will 'sink in'. Talkin Trees !! Drought game is a history game. Trees don't lie. They have a long story to tell. Love the I.D. channel. [/b] But...But..........But...........That graph is the Kock brothers conspire against the global warmers.. It can't be true.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2015 12:26:58 GMT -5
No matter who says what in the end. Someone best get off their buttocks and figure out how to get some water to those people. This level of drought is not left, right, or center. It's going to affect all in it's area. Watching this one.... Katrina sent groves of people to Georgia and Florida, and it's effected area was small compared to the amount of people effected out west. But that is how that problem was solved. jakesrocks is getting lots of rain, I think the Dakotas will have open arms, eh Don ?
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Post by parfive on Jun 5, 2015 13:02:01 GMT -5
No biggie. Just another one of those Ah’ve lived heah all mah lahf and ah’ve nevah seeeeen anythang lahk this befo’ moments.
Like a broken record last few years. Ho hum.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 5, 2015 13:16:53 GMT -5
So now NOAA is tampering with temperature data to make it look as if it was warming for the past 15 years when the temperatures have remained constant. So next NASA finds a way to cook the books regarding their data that shows the ice caps aren't getting smaller.
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Post by parfive on Jun 5, 2015 14:04:03 GMT -5
USGS lies too!!!
May 15, 2015 – Wash. guv declared drought emergency.
June 4, 2015 - . . . snowpack is virtually gone and more than 80 percent of the rivers measured by the U.S. Geological Survey are flowing at below-normal levels – and in many cases, at record lows.
Lies!! All lies!!!
Ho hum.
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Post by parfive on Jun 5, 2015 14:11:25 GMT -5
What drought? Record rainfall in Phoenix!!! Ed prolly washed his car this morning. PHOENIX (AP) — It didn't take much rain to set a record in Phoenix.
The National Weather Service says the .01 inch of rain recorded at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport by 7 a.m. Friday was the largest amount for June 5.
There has not been any precipitation recorded previously on the date in the desert city.
June is normally dry in Phoenix, but a thunderstorm with moisture from remnants of Tropical Storm Andres provided a bit of a change.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 5, 2015 14:33:16 GMT -5
No matter who says what in the end. Someone best get off their buttocks and figure out how to get some water to those people. This level of drought is not left, right, or center. It's going to affect all in it's area. Watching this one.... Katrina sent groves of people to Georgia and Florida, and it's effected area was small compared to the amount of people effected out west. But that is how that problem was solved. jakesrocks is getting lots of rain, I think the Dakotas will have open arms, eh Don ? Nope ! The Dakota's will be waiting with loaded arms. We don't want all those damned illegals & liberals up here. Not to keen on gang bangers either.
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Post by captbob on Jun 5, 2015 16:04:05 GMT -5
No biggie. Just another one of those Ah’ve lived heah all mah lahf and ah’ve nevah seeeeen anythang lahk this befo’ moments. And if you were a 1000 years old, you would be saying something along the lines of: " Global warming? Drought?? This ain't nothing; remember back in 1250 when the Great Lakes dried up?" Oh, was it all these nasty factories, power plants and internal combustion engines that caused that one too? putz Like a broken record last few years. Exactly! Except the broken record is the morons screeching about how the world is coming to an end if we don't do something NOW. The Arctic ice cap will melt by next week. How if 1/3 of the rainfall/snow melt in California isn't diverted into the Pacific those poor innocent Delta smelt will cease to exist. Screw the farmers. Screw the humans. SAVE THE DELTA SMELT Morons. Brought this on themselves and/or could fix it in a quickness if the libs would get the hell out of the way. Saw a nice article last week showing the lawns of the elite (rich) lefties in California. Sure are nice and green! They quack & groan about conservation until it reaches their property line. Hypocrites every damn one of these greenies. They (elites) all still have their private planes, jetting around the world for this film festival or that wedding. Do as I say, not as I do! F 'em all. Guess what? Rich folks on the right do the exact same thing. Private planes, yachts, opulent mansions or multiple houses etc etc ... difference is, most of them aren't out wailing that the sky is falling, all the polar bears will be dead by nest Thursday unless the (socialist leaning) government regulates and taxes the hell out of anyone that's doing well. Yes, we will have more environmentally friendly options in the future, but we don't have them YET. Ya can't regulate and tax a good alternative into existence. Progress takes time. Until you are willing to do without a gas powered vehicle, electricity, clean water and sewage disposal, fresh groceries trucked (or flown!) in from all points on the compass, - basically ANY modern convenience - STFUHo hum ... HYPOCRITE
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Post by mohs on Jun 5, 2015 16:53:41 GMT -5
What drought? Record rainfall in Phoenix!!! Ed prolly washed his car this morning. isn't that the truth!
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Post by parfive on Jun 5, 2015 20:07:31 GMT -5
So now NOAA is tampering with temperature data to make it look as if it was warming for the past 15 years when the temperatures have remained constant. So next NASA finds a way to cook the books regarding their data that shows the ice caps aren't getting smaller. Aww, thath dethpicable! Ever hear of Richard Muller? He was way ahead o’ ya, and he was gonnna rip them climate scientists a new asshole, them lyin’ sacks o’ shit. Yup, him and his BEST project - with a major chunk of their funding from Charles Koch’s foundation - were all set to bury Mann et al and Hockey Sticks forever. And then a funny thing happened . . . Muller trotted off to congress in 2011 to testify ‘bout them AGW varmints at the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. A kangaroo hearing, by the way, witnesses stacked by the (R) -TeabagNitwits on the committee running the show. And he dropped a beautiful - bought and paid for by Koch - turd on ‘em . . . I begin by talking about Global Warming.
Prior groups at NOAA, NASA, and in the UK (HadCRU) estimate about a 1.2 degree C land temperature rise from the early 1900s to the present. This 1.2 degree rise is what we call global warming. Their work is excellent, and the Berkeley Earth project strives to build on it.
He also put the kibosh on the incessant denier bullshit about temperature station bias & quality. For some reason, Muller’s findings were ignored in the committee’s press release. : )
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2015 21:43:49 GMT -5
I suppose the ancients had diesels and gas engines too. They all rusted away when the ocean rose.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 5, 2015 22:08:36 GMT -5
So now NOAA is tampering with temperature data to make it look as if it was warming for the past 15 years when the temperatures have remained constant. So next NASA finds a way to cook the books regarding their data that shows the ice caps aren't getting smaller. Aww, thath dethpicable! Ever hear of Richard Muller? He was way ahead o’ ya, and he was gonnna rip them climate scientists a new asshole, them lyin’ sacks o’ shit. Yup, him and his BEST project - with a major chunk of their funding from Charles Koch’s foundation - were all set to bury Mann et al and Hockey Sticks forever. And then a funny thing happened . . . Muller trotted off to congress in 2011 to testify ‘bout them AGW varmints at the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. A kangaroo hearing, by the way, witnesses stacked by the (R) -TeabagNitwits on the committee running the show. And he dropped a beautiful - bought and paid for by Koch - turd on ‘em . . . I begin by talking about Global Warming.
Prior groups at NOAA, NASA, and in the UK (HadCRU) estimate about a 1.2 degree C land temperature rise from the early 1900s to the present. This 1.2 degree rise is what we call global warming. Their work is excellent, and the Berkeley Earth project strives to build on it.
He also put the kibosh on the incessant denier bullshit about temperature station bias & quality. For some reason, Muller’s findings were ignored in the committee’s press release. : ) So Muller said the temperature stations were perfectly fine and NOAA had to "fix" the data they produced. So next the NASA satellite data needs fixing, Photoshop maybe?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 5, 2015 22:21:24 GMT -5
So now NOAA is tampering with temperature data to make it look as if it was warming for the past 15 years when the temperatures have remained constant. So next NASA finds a way to cook the books regarding their data that shows the ice caps aren't getting smaller. Aww, thath dethpicable! Ever hear of Richard Muller? He was way ahead o’ ya, and he was gonnna rip them climate scientists a new asshole, them lyin’ sacks o’ shit. Yup, him and his BEST project - with a major chunk of their funding from Charles Koch’s foundation - were all set to bury Mann et al and Hockey Sticks forever. And then a funny thing happened . . . Muller trotted off to congress in 2011 to testify ‘bout them AGW varmints at the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. A kangaroo hearing, by the way, witnesses stacked by the (R) -TeabagNitwits on the committee running the show. And he dropped a beautiful - bought and paid for by Koch - turd on ‘em . . . I begin by talking about Global Warming.
Prior groups at NOAA, NASA, and in the UK (HadCRU) estimate about a 1.2 degree C land temperature rise from the early 1900s to the present. This 1.2 degree rise is what we call global warming. Their work is excellent, and the Berkeley Earth project strives to build on it.
He also put the kibosh on the incessant denier bullshit about temperature station bias & quality. For some reason, Muller’s findings were ignored in the committee’s press release. : ) One question for ya Rich. If global warming is real and the sea levels will rise due to polar ice melting. Why is it that James Cameron, Al Gore, and David Suzuki all still own their beach homes. Why with all there combined smarts about GW. Why have they not sold them before they flood?? James seaside bungalow high and dry. Davids modest cave, high and dry. All these scammers have one thing in common. People like you Rich are making them rich.
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