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Post by spiritstone on Jun 26, 2015 10:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Jun 26, 2015 11:35:36 GMT -5
before we get to accusatory about desert dwellers as loco en la cabeza to live here it be well to keep in mind that some of the oldest settlement of mankind have thrived in a desert environment. But still it take roca en la cabaza to wonder why
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 26, 2015 21:09:02 GMT -5
I don't see why people continue to live in the desert, the economy it seems to me is not doing well. I've looked at towns throughout southern California and they are just about dried up completely. Maybe it's money troubles or family that are too bull headed to leave. I'd like to visit CA, but living there is a different story. My ex lives there and she only goes out at night. That's messed up, not able to leave your house when the sun is out. In another perspective that sounds familiar except change that to cold snow and darkness. lol
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Post by chassroc on Jun 27, 2015 8:54:52 GMT -5
I don't see why people continue to live in the desert, the economy it seems to me is not doing well. I've looked at towns throughout southern California and they are just about dried up completely. Maybe it's money troubles or family that are too bull headed to leave. I'd like to visit CA, but living there is a different story. My ex lives there and she only goes out at night. That's messed up, not able to leave your house when the sun is out. In another perspective that sounds familiar except change that to cold snow and darkness. lol Most snowbirds who move to Florida never go to the beach after the first year; some of them never go outdoors anymore ...(and they still wont move back! And if you've ever been to Las Vegas or Phoenix in April, May, September, or October, not to mention the Summer Months, nobody even wants to go outside at 10Pm, too hot.. but they're not moving back either
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Post by booboo on Jun 27, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
before we get to accusatory about desert dwellers as loco en la cabeza to live here it be well to keep in mind that some of the oldest settlement of mankind have thrived in a desert environment. But still it take roca en la cabaza to wonder why mostly Word Up!!!!!
the desert in its purest form is a beautiful place....dangerous and prickly but beautiful nonetheless....
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Post by jamesp on Jun 28, 2015 18:02:54 GMT -5
No problem living in the desert if you are not bothered by the heat. No problem living in the desert if resources are not stressed and have responsible population levels. Present day population density map. Someone was chuckling, economic impacts from a continuing drought in the SW US will have far reaching impacts. Looks like a big black cloud.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 28, 2015 18:06:33 GMT -5
In another perspective that sounds familiar except change that to cold snow and darkness. lol Most snowbirds who move to Florida never go to the beach after the first year; some of them never go outdoors anymore ...(and they still wont move back! And if you've ever been to Las Vegas or Phoenix in April, May, September, or October, not to mention the Summer Months, nobody even wants to go outside at 10Pm, too hot.. but they're not moving back either LOL Charlie. You are so correct. They call us 'locals' the 'sunshine boys'.
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Post by mohs on Jun 28, 2015 19:22:21 GMT -5
you make a good point james
and I suppose when the desert runs dry of water you'll see the population level get responsible real quick plus I understand the irresponsibility of building an economic system that may have larger consequences if this drought produces the damage it potentially will
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2015 6:28:21 GMT -5
you make a good point james and I suppose when the desert runs dry of water you'll see the population level get responsible real quick plus I understand the irresponsibility of building an economic system that may have larger consequences if this drought produces the damage it potentially will Almond crops alone use a bunch of water. I suppose they could stop farming and use that water to take care of the needs of the large population. Lots of fields here in the south are left fallow. Farmers are being paid by the govt. to grow pine trees on their fields. Not sure why, I guess they were over producing or it reduces subsidiary funding for crops. Lots of unused farm land out this way. The younger generation is not interested in carrying on the farming tradition of their parents. Too much work. Maybe the desert farmers should pick up and move out this way.
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Post by chassroc on Jun 29, 2015 8:17:23 GMT -5
you make a good point james and I suppose when the desert runs dry of water you'll see the population level get responsible real quick plus I understand the irresponsibility of building an economic system that may have larger consequences if this drought produces the damage it potentially will Almond crops alone use a bunch of water. I suppose they could stop farming and use that water to take care of the needs of the large population. Lots of fields here in the south are left fallow. Farmers are being paid by the govt. to grow pine trees on their fields. Not sure why, I guess they were over producing or it reduces subsidiary funding for crops. Lots of unused farm land out this way. The younger generation is not interested in carrying on the farming tradition of their parents. Too much work. Maybe the desert farmers should pick up and move out this way. Hmmm ... let them grow Pine nuts instead of almonds .. In New Mexico they sell them all over the place and they are really tasty, better than almonds. The Government goes out of its way for farmers and once a giveaway starts it is nearly impossible to stop. NO POLITICIAN LIKES TO SAY NO. Unless they are not up for re-election. Don't make enemies if you want to win an election. Vote for mine and I'll vote for yours.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2015 8:55:25 GMT -5
Can't comment negatively on this subject chassroc, I am a recipient of farm based tax relief. But do pay my share of taxes for many services that do not benefit me.
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Post by chassroc on Jun 29, 2015 10:26:51 GMT -5
I am not singling you out James.
Farmers (and of course many others) receive many Government Bennies in the USA. Hell, we all like a freebie.
And we all pay for services we don't use nor do we get benefit from.
Politicians from all sides love farmers and love to prop them up with all kinds of subsidies. Besides the special water allowances for farmers, there are lots of others like the crazy corn ethanol subsidies. Made a lot of sense when we were being hit by imported oil but makes no sense now and our Politicians can't even agree to cut these off; cannot say no for fear of losing their jobs. It is tough to have balls when you wont be able to support your family
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Post by parfive on Jun 30, 2015 14:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jul 1, 2015 5:52:22 GMT -5
I am not singling you out James. Farmers (and of course many others) receive many Government Bennies in the USA. Hell, we all like a freebie. And we all pay for services we don't use nor do we get benefit from. Politicians from all sides love farmers and love to prop them up with all kinds of subsidies. Besides the special water allowances for farmers, there are lots of others like the crazy corn ethanol subsidies. Made a lot of sense when we were being hit by imported oil but makes no sense now and our Politicians can't even agree to cut these off; cannot say no for fear of losing their jobs. It is tough to have balls when you wont be able to support your family One such 'tax break' is reducing property taxes on larger pieces of land if you commit to 10 years of constant farm type land use. i.e.-not developing or subdividing. Allowing a $2000 annual property tax cap on each 100 acres owned. Or reducing land taxes by 80% on small farms 10-99 acres. If land use is changed within the 10 year period, the back taxes saved are due in double. My 30 acres is 20 miles from downtown Atlanta. I would have gotten barbecued by land taxes had this Georgia state program had not been put in place. This arrangement is transferrable in a sale as long as new owner continues the required land use. Funny, no one opposes this program because most people do not want to have the responsibility of a farm. And many people do not realize that standing timber is considered a(very passive) crop and qualifies them for this program. Any timber company that plans to survive better be aware of this Conservation Program.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 1, 2015 6:05:02 GMT -5
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Post by parfive on Jul 2, 2015 18:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by captbob on Jul 2, 2015 18:37:27 GMT -5
My 30 acres is 20 miles from downtown Atlanta. Have you seen The Walking Dead?!! Being that close to Atlanta didn't work out so well for them!
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Post by jamesp on Jul 2, 2015 20:23:15 GMT -5
My 30 acres is 20 miles from downtown Atlanta. Have you seen The Walking Dead?!! Being that close to Atlanta didn't work out so well for them! There are two zombie restaurants within 15 miles of the house. The legs are a favorite. I think the local Purina plant has come up with some new dog food.
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Post by spiritstone on Jul 3, 2015 14:52:48 GMT -5
Long trip and a lot of hiking. Surprised at what I saw in the glacier fields. Drought certainly is happening. Small changes on the glaciers itself, but I thought for the good. Have some pics, but first cleaning up the war wounds. lol Post soon and show you all. Oh Yeah forgot to mention, found a jackpot of script stone.
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