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Post by bushmanbilly on May 30, 2016 13:57:48 GMT -5
Really Rich! You post a link from the Communist Broadcasting Corp. The taxpayer funded Liberal super pac. Their the MSNBC of the north. Nothing they say has not been vetted by the liberals first. Maybe that reporter should have been in Vancouver when Japans ambassador was pleading with the BC gov to build the pipelines. Your as full of shit as the CBC is. You should go work for them. As for the Gov. document you added. Dated March 3 2016. It was written up by the enviro terrorists that Trudeau has working for him. Goggle Gerald Butts and that should tell you the rest of the story.
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Post by spiritstone on May 30, 2016 14:23:42 GMT -5
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Post by wampidytoo on May 30, 2016 17:33:39 GMT -5
bushmanbilly, you are the one that did not read all. I stated that "fossil fuels will be around for a long time to come". You used up a whole page arguing your point with mrzulu because you got pissed with me because you either did not read or ignored what I wrote. Watch Vuduciel with an open mind that is willing to learn instead of a closed mind that knows it knows everything. It is a series on Netflix that covers the entire planet and how we are killing ourselves. Oh yeah, and they show proof so you do not need to ignore what I say, you can just rant and call them liars. I have given up arguing with people that are so ingrained in their beliefs that they are 100 percent certain there is no possibility they could be wrong. Have you even taken a look at what might be happening instead of just reading Exxon magazine. By the way, Exxon has admitted that they knew they were harming the environment back in the seventies but shortly after releasing their findings they covered it up a short time later. GOOGLE it. Jim I don't have netflix so I can't watch your propaganda film. As for Exxon saying they were harming the planet. That was in the 1970's. Tech has changed alot since then. By 1970 logic they should have been called hero's and saviors of the planet. I will help you with your one sided memory. In the 70's your so called climate experts were predicting a ICE AGE! They wanted to cover the ice sheets with coal dust, ie carbon!!! Your wannabe scientists have to pick witch one it is. Cooling or warming? Whats their flavor of the day today? Ah Billy, you are dipping your hand in the s..t again. Vuduciel is not all about your precious oil and it is not propaganda. It is a series on how many factors are causing the death of mankind or the majority of it. The biggest one is water pollution caused by chemicals (made from, yup, oil) then deforestation, plastics (oil again), over fishing the oceans, large animal factories, excessive building practices (20 to 50,000sq foot homes for 2 people) and many others. It is not any one thing but an accumulation of many things. You call some of us do-gooders and I thank you for that. The problem is, there are not enough of us to fix things for the do-badders that don't give a rats ass about their children's or anyone else's future. People have to be forced to recycle (total stupidity) which is of topmost priority because not doing it causes pollution, deforestation and a tanker full of other problems. People in this country, and yours, are spoiled brats that over consume and will not put out any effort to reduce the problems. Have you considered the possibility that what you read or watch is propaganda? The oil companies have never told a lie or misled anyone ever? I do not attack the oil that has and is giving me a better life but at the same time I use as little of it as possible because I am a do-gooder. Who I attack are people like you that refuse to even consider the fact that oil pollution exists in many forms and there might be a better way in some of those areas. You live on and breathe oil so you will defend it to the death, right or wrong. But hey, if you can survive the down turn until you retire, more power to you. If you think there is not going to be one you are a fool. Check to see how many huge oil suppliers are investing huge dollars in alternative energy because the solar and wind technology is blowing the carbon technology right off the road. Emerging third world countries are bypassing the carbon energy and going straight to alternative sources. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 30, 2016 18:37:38 GMT -5
Americans ain't gonna be happy living with a car battery for a power source. ALL alternate energy folks need to do a little tally on their electrical panel. chunk the stove chunk the oven chunk the reefer chunk their 75 watt bulbs. water heaters/dryers/motorized stuff All that on-demand equipment in your house gets chunked. 98% of greenies have no idea of the sacrifices needed to operate under such low power conditions. Young families raising kids will be hit the worst. Parents darn sure not going to be interested in requirements of low power lifestyle. Homesteaders up in Alaska maybe; that is a hearty bunch willing to put up with excruciating circumstances. Bringing power in to a community on 100,000 volt lines is efficient, cheap and practical. Just don't see this and many other countries living under such conditions. Wondering how many windmills are required to run a large(or small) US city. Got news for you. Do simple energy calculations. And hope the wind doesn't stop.
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 30, 2016 19:39:25 GMT -5
But hey, if you can survive the down turn until you retire, more power to you. If you think there is not going to be one you are a fool. Check to see how many huge oil suppliers are investing huge dollars in alternative energy because the solar and wind technology is blowing the carbon technology right off the road. Emerging third world countries are bypassing the carbon energy and going straight to alternative sources. Jim www.pinchercreekecho.com/2016/03/15/canadas-first-wind-turbines-to-be-dismantled-this-april| 2016-01-25 | 10:00 AM The first decommission in the world of an offshore wind farm is now complete corporate.vattenfall.com/press-and-media/press-releases/2016/the-first-decommission-in-the-world-of-an-offshore-wind-farm-is-now-complete/It is a sight that will cheer campaigners across the land. After blighting the Yorkshire Dales for more than two decades, four giant turbines have been removed from the stunning landscape – the first ever windfarm in Britain to be scrapped. To the delight of residents and walkers there are once again unspoilt views across the rolling hills and deep blue waters of Chelker Reservoir, near Ilkley. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2461999/Yorkshire-Dales-wind-farm-Britain-torn-down.html#ixzz4ABlcW9p6 Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Mark Duchamp writes in with this news from the Lerida, Autonomous Community (state) of Catalonia, Spain: A judge ordered the removal of 45 wind turbines on the grounds that planning laws were violated. There was no “general municipal plan” establishing a “reserva del suelo” – i.e. the land was not legally declared appropriate for the erection of wind turbines. wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/18/wind-farm-ordered-dismantled/NDP vows that the province will have 30% of its electrical generation from green sources by 2030. Where is the investigative journalism regarding this “pie in the sky” initiative? Premier Rachel Notley states the cost estimates made by energy analysts are overstated. Here is my analysis: 1. Alberta would require 4,200 new wind turbine locations that would have a useful life of 12-15 years and then must be dismantled and replaced; 2. All wind generation capacity must be back-stopped by an equivalent capacity of gas-fired generation because wind energy is unreliable; 3. Wind generation and even more so, solar generation, is currently uneconomic and would require substantial subsidies by the government, in the range of $1 billion per year, or more; 4. Companies like Transalta, Alberta Power and Epcor would reasonably expect compensation for the stranded costs of their existing coalfired generation facilities; 5. The current recently expanded transmission system would become obsolete, and those costs would become stranded; 6. A new transmission network would be required to link the wind generated power to the markets, or we could locate 4,200 wind turbines next to our cities; 7. The effect of electrical energy pricing would be explosive (Ontario’s electrical pricing is up 88%); and 8. Due to the high and unchecked rise in energy pricing, existing industrial capacity would be closed and the so-called diversification initiative of the Alberta economy would be ended. The outrage from Albertans, when they find out these unavoidable outcomes will stop this initiative in its tracks. DAVID BOYLE (You mean our bills would be worse than what they are now? No thanks.) Jim I never said that oil does not pollute. All industries pollute.
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Post by wampidytoo on May 30, 2016 21:59:33 GMT -5
Americans ain't gonna be happy living with a car battery for a power source. ALL alternate energy folks need to do a little tally on their electrical panel. chunk the stove chunk the oven chunk the reefer chunk their 75 watt bulbs. water heaters/dryers/motorized stuff All that on-demand equipment in your house gets chunked. 98% of greenies have no idea of the sacrifices needed to operate under such low power conditions. Young families raising kids will be hit the worst. Parents darn sure not going to be interested in requirements of low power lifestyle. Homesteaders up in Alaska maybe; that is a hearty bunch willing to put up with excruciating circumstances. Bringing power in to a community on 100,000 volt lines is efficient, cheap and practical. Just don't see this and many other countries living under such conditions. Wondering how many windmills are required to run a large(or small) US city. Got news for you. Do simple energy calculations. And hope the wind doesn't stop. Check out Tesla's new in home electrical storage unit. I think it is called "the wall". Stores piles of electricity and is only a few hundred dollars. You do not know how little you can live on until you haffta. Much easier for people to go up to electric than it is for Americans going down. There is a huge percentage of the world population that does not have electricity so when they get a little it is a lot for them. I can not see them running right out and buying a washer and dryer. Like I said, most Americans can not imagine living without electricity but over half the world population does live without it. I use very little and could get my with solar and wind quite easily. Hundreds of thousands do this in Arizona, New Mexico and south Texas every winter. I did not say that any one source would do the job. People off the grid around here use solar, wind and sometimes moving water. I also did not imply that we were going to power NY in the next couple of years but many places are switching over slowly as we speak. Conservation plays a big role in switching over. The people from the US probably waste about as much as they use. Las Vegas should be nuked for it's waste of both electricity and water. Son's soon to be ex girlfriend and daughters wear a hoodie one time and throw it in the wash, son follows behind and hangs them back up. They have not noticed once that their hoodie wasn't washed. Hanging cloths on the line like my mother did once a week can cut an electric bill in half. And she did it winter and summer back when we actually had winter. I have thawed pants by the heater more than once. You don't miss what you haven't had so if people in emerging countries can power a light bulb so their children can do their homework they would be tickled pink. Take away an American's chocolate bar and they will hate you forever. I read that a young girl came up with the idea of a light powered by a weight on a string. Pull the other end of the string to raise the weight then let gravity do the rest. Her friends that did not have electricity to read by were ecstatic because they could read at night. Most of the kids here would have a cow if they had to pull the string a few times an hour. Not one thing can be judged by the lifestyle of American people. If we do not learn to give up a little bit here and there and actually want to recycle we are painting a very gloomy picture for our children and grand children. Damn, I said I wasn't going to do this any more and here is another three mouths full. My toes are getting sore from kicking a bunch of dead horses. Jim
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Post by parfive on May 31, 2016 1:19:52 GMT -5
”Bringing power in to a community on 100,000 volt lines is efficient, cheap and practical.” Seems to be the general idea . . . Texas recently wrapped up construction of $6.9 billion worth of new transmission lines, many connecting West Texas to the state’s large cities. These massive power lines enabled Texas to become, by far, the largest U.S. wind producer.
Solar developers plan to move electricity on the same lines, taking advantage of a lull in wind generation during the heat of the day when solar output is at its highest.
www.wsj.com/articles/next-texas-energy-boom-solar-1440149400
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Post by wampidytoo on May 31, 2016 7:57:35 GMT -5
HAHAHA I love the color of the sun. Jim
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Post by wampidytoo on May 31, 2016 7:58:58 GMT -5
But hey, what do I know. Just a dumb farm boy right. Jim
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Post by mrzulu on May 31, 2016 9:06:23 GMT -5
I am actually thankful that we have had oil products up to now. I will tell you this...
My two solar panels that cost only $120 each powers my iPad and my stereo and a light and the two car batteries I use for storage hold a charge for three nights. Since I live in a Giant a redwood forest I don't get much wind... But how my camper is positioned I get sunlight from noon on. It actually doesn't take a full day of sun to charge the battery. Pretty efficient little panels.
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And a word for billy... Last time I was on an airline as in 1996 when my band did a tour of Alaska fishing camps playing some hard rock for some hard workers. I have long hair and a beard and wear dentures. Don't need petrol products I have a spring fed stream nearby to brush my dents! Most of my meat is cooked on wood fired stove. Oddly enough, I live near enough natural resources to bicycle to and fro so I am researching how to make black powder.
I can't wait to hear the Trumpian rant coming from Billy in the next little while. He even uses Trump phrases like "all you haters".
It's actually an entertaining read. I am done beating dead horses. Laughing at them is much more fun!
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Post by jamesp on May 31, 2016 9:33:48 GMT -5
”Bringing power in to a community on 100,000 volt lines is efficient, cheap and practical.” Seems to be the general idea . . . Texas recently wrapped up construction of $6.9 billion worth of new transmission lines, many connecting West Texas to the state’s large cities. These massive power lines enabled Texas to become, by far, the largest U.S. wind producer.
Solar developers plan to move electricity on the same lines, taking advantage of a lull in wind generation during the heat of the day when solar output is at its highest.
www.wsj.com/articles/next-texas-energy-boom-solar-1440149400
Texas has wind. Never seen a wind machine in Georgia/Florida/Alabama/S Carolina/Tennessee Gotta have wind kids
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Post by jamesp on May 31, 2016 9:37:00 GMT -5
To help out with L Powell and L Mead....great solar energy.
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Post by jamesp on May 31, 2016 9:47:13 GMT -5
High power demand east coast screwed. Lots of people over here where solar and wind is not so feasible. Lots of rivers... Hydro power has become a subject of contempt by environmentalists.
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Post by jamesp on May 31, 2016 10:09:03 GMT -5
Would be very interested in alternate power. Even bought a farm with a 30 foot fall in the creek to put a Pelton generator. Had to shop over 100 properties to find a creek with a sharp fall. The big dams kick ass. They tried to put a reservoir that backed water to my backyard. It got struck down because it would inundate two Native American mound sites. As mentioned, they are fighting hydro. They do alter the enviro. In some ways improve, others ways damage. Coastal areas here in the east harbor large populations. The topography is flat and hydro will not do. I suppose the above population map would at least open some eyes ?
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Post by jamesp on May 31, 2016 10:14:51 GMT -5
"meat is cooked on wood fired stove"
Try building a wood fire in an urban area. The smoke will cause a fury. We have to get permits out east to burn brush piles. They are pollutive, and must be timed for good conditions. Trees ? Where does the fire wood come from ? Large urban population would defoliate the forests in a hurry.
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Post by wampidytoo on May 31, 2016 12:47:13 GMT -5
mrzulu do you need a neighbor to visit with? haha I went back to the Tesla web site and got slapped on the back of head. Gotta learn to research first, open mouth after. The Tesla "Powerwall 6.4 KW" is $3000, not a few hundred but it is guaranteed for ten years of daily use and not just as a backup. jamesp You make a good argument and I am fully aware that switching to alternative energy is not going to be easy or short term but it will happen a little bit at a time. There are many different ideas for generating electricity and storage for it. In Utah someone is putting railroad tracks on a slope, adding a heavily loaded train, pushing the train up with ? solar or wind when it is available then generating electricity by rolling the train back down the slope. In some areas where there are fifty foot tides scientists are planning on using the up and down to generate electricity. Where there is moving water it just takes a paddle wheel to turn a generator, no dam needed. Nuclear fusion that uses nuclear waste for it's power supply has been perfected and I think there is no waste from it. Coast lines that have large waves on a regular basis can get the power from the up and down like they are planning for tides. People are coming up with new ideas (yes, some a little crazy) all the time and some of them will work. The first people on the planet used and are still using wood, then someone figured out that coal and oil burned real good and now alternative power sources are coming to the front. The first solar powered airplane has flown and as soon as the technology catches up, which could be quite a ways down the road, the new power sources will be able to do almost everything. We needed this change yesterday whether Billy wants it or not. I do not know if oil and coal are causing the planet to heat up but I do know that oil is polluting the oceans, water almost everywhere, the air and us. If we keep on like we are doing now our grand children may be some of the last people on earth. The series "The Earth From Above" has been a real eye opener for me. They cover the good and bad that is happening on the planet and they talk with many people around the world that are dedicated to fixing the bad things. They also talk with people that have fixed things that were almost destroyed by bad decisions, a lot of which is bad farming practices and deforestation. France is the focal point that they use to compare to other places around the world. Quantities of food, water, waste and pollution are the things most talked about. Farming and meat production causes 45 percent of the CO2 and pollution on the planet so oil is not the only culprit. Jim
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Post by MrP on May 31, 2016 19:06:57 GMT -5
Yea that wind is great. I work for a utility and we have been wheeling the energy for a 660 kW generator since 2002. The production for 2002 - 2015 is 16.904% of capacity. As I am typing this I just realized that I also have to take into consideration the energy we supply it. I bet that brings the number down another 1% or so.
I also checked on the 4.6 kW solar system that has been in for 6 years. It cost $36,000 for the install. He received almost $10,000 in rebates so he has $26,000+ into the system. At an average of $1,500 in credit a year that is a long payback. Of course the money means nothing to him because he has more then he will ever spend, he just wants to do the, as he said 'right thing'.
He bought a Toyota prius because it is the 'right thing' to do also. In just less then 5 years he put 180,000 miles on it. Yea he did the right thing but he sure did it a lot. Then there are all the trips, and house, remodel and upgrades,! Easy to do the right thing if you have enough money.....................MrP
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 1, 2016 10:06:03 GMT -5
WTF DO YOU THINK YOUR TOYS AND LIFE SUPPORT PRODUCTS ARE MADE FROM.......FAIRY DUST? Lay off the shrooms for awhile. They are cloudy your judgement.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 1, 2016 10:06:47 GMT -5
NUFF SAID!
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