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Post by gingerkid on Jan 8, 2016 8:46:08 GMT -5
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Post by adam on Jan 8, 2016 9:00:17 GMT -5
Wonderful day for an outing out in the Laguna Mtns. I would've run up that hill, then pass out. lol
I'm heading to SoCal in 3 days! Imperial Valley, here I come!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 12:48:15 GMT -5
Large German shepherds and wolves are same size.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 8, 2016 16:40:05 GMT -5
If you say so, but those tracks were not left by a large German Shepherd. To borrow one of captbob 's favorite gifs -
No, wrong, end of story.
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Post by Peruano on Jan 8, 2016 16:59:28 GMT -5
I'm with the Shotgunner. It will take more than a big track photo to "cry wolf". There are more big pyranees, sheepdogs, and other big breeds in California than there are wolves. I wish that was not the case. Bobcat scat are often tied together like sausages, but I'm not sure whether mountain lion scat are similarly tied together (by fur or hair in the diet). The scat you show does not look like typical canid "stuff" to me, and I would not exclude a large cat for your culprit. Its anyone's guess. Plaster of paris poured in tracks is a great way to verify and compare sightings. As if you needed one more thing to carry into the field. Cheers. Tom
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 8, 2016 17:16:49 GMT -5
Tom, you have to understand that this is in an area nowhere close to people and homes. Totally agree with your third sentence. Most of those large dogs you speak of live in the city, (large couch potatoes, lol) or are working animals on large ranches. There are no homes or ranches close by to this area one would find a large dog like that. The tracks go through the area one time only, and actually there are no human tracks of same age, implying that it was not someone's pet. The dirt was plenty wet enough to allow good imprints.
My sister has a large Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian Mastiff) that weighs about 120 lbs. She is old now, but she used to weigh about 140. So I have seen large dog prints, and know that shape-wise, could very well be a large dog. But taken with the fact that there are none of those large dogs wandering through the backcountry, wolf seems the more likely culprit to me. Very easy for a wild animal to stay hidden in the chaparral. Some people claim they have seen Bigfoot!
Just for you guys, maybe I do need to carry some plaster of Paris with me next time. These tracks definitely canid, the scat does look more feline. I did wonder if scat and tracks were from same animal. Most likely not. Feline tracks more round, do not have imprints from claws.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 17:40:15 GMT -5
Dogs dont LIVE in the lagunas. But they certainly follow their owners to club claim sites. I wonder how many people thought they saw coyote tracks the day after you took Lucy home! Sorry Bob.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 8, 2016 19:06:19 GMT -5
Ya still don't get it... No one had been up there since the previous rains (not these last ones, the ones before we went), and these XL canid tracks were not all over the area. There was just one track through there. You are correct, last time Lucy was up there, I'm sure she left tracks - ALL OVER! Not just once through.
I am more inclined to believe that a wolf trotted through there, than someone's large dog, that had to walk by itself for many miles to get there. Why would it do that? What was it looking for? Did it freeze up there?
When I was but a wee lass, living in Alabama for almost exactly one year when I was eighteen, we had to drive a couple miles to a nearby spring to get drinking water. This was at the first place I lived when I was back there. The well water carried a heavy load of iron and was orange! Locals got used to it over their life times, but others would get, ah, intestinal distress. One crisp morning, I was driving to get water, and saw movement at the side of a clearing, just into the brush. It was a pack of wolves, maybe six to eight of them. Yes, like National Geographic type big wolves. Most were black or dark brown. No mistaking them for what they were.
The internet, as we all know and love it, did not exist back then. But the research I could do did not say that wolves existed at that location in Alabama in 1976 - 1977. No mention of them. Just because one of "the experts" did not know of there existence, or just didn't want anyone to know about them, doesn't mean it wasn't so. Most people back there (then, at least) allow their dogs to run free, and being the pack animals that they are, they do tend to run in packs. They cause a lot of mayhem. I have seen these packs of dogs, that is not what I saw there. What I saw were wolves, and no one can tell me different.
What I am trying to get at, is that the "experts" don't know everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 19:49:18 GMT -5
OK. Rain cleans the pets footprints up. That is a huge find. A relic population of wolves in lower California both US and Mexican is a huge scientific discovery. Wolf range in north america - www.endangered.org/cms/assets/uploads/2013/07/PlacesForWolves_VisionMAP1page.pdfDoesn't even list that region as 'suitable'! Im telling you this is a huge find. It appears they were never found in that region. I wonder if your club would allow trail cams to record the wildlife? I'd fund one or two for this study. We may have something real big here. I am serious about trail cams. I apologize, I know your bio knowledge is very strong. I should never have doubted you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 19:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mark K on Jan 8, 2016 22:25:10 GMT -5
Osky says it is not a wolf. If he says it is not, it is not.
Osky lives with the wolves and he knows.
Scott was right.
Dammit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 23:29:54 GMT -5
Osky says it is not a wolf. If he says it is not, it is not. Osky lives with the wolves and he knows. Scott was right. Dammit. If we are gonna meet up while you out here, please hit me up soon. My schedule is filling up. Pm me!
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2016 9:03:44 GMT -5
Fueling the enigma Consider the size of this Great Dane's feet(Danish wolf ), 5.5 inches and some
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Post by gingerkid on Jan 9, 2016 9:13:08 GMT -5
Will red wolves and coyotes mate? Read a little bit on the reintroduction of the red wolf and wondered.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2016 9:17:41 GMT -5
@shotgunner, borrow a Dane and walk it around Jean's house when she is away. We love you Jean. The giant Chihuahua a possibility
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2016 10:25:45 GMT -5
This mornings Ridgebacks concerned about your wolf dilemma Jean. Photos by Wifeunitincorp. Maggot: Doe Doe:
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Post by Tommy on Jan 9, 2016 10:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2016 11:58:28 GMT -5
People have wolf hybrids too. No telling if one of them escaped.
Pet panthers have been released and seen in Georgia. I believe some people have wolves in captivity. Some animals are kept in captivity unbeknownst to the public.
lots of scenarios
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 13:34:27 GMT -5
I alluded to that animal earlier. He is a wanderer, a natural range expander. There are nearby natural wolf packs.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 9, 2016 22:50:45 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for your comments! This whole wolf thing has me intrigued, will have to do some research. There is a "California Wolf Center" located in nearby Julian. Will have to make a visit sometime. This mornings Ridgebacks concerned about your wolf dilemma Jean. Photos by Wifeunitincorp. Maggot: Doe Doe: James, thank your girls for me for being concerned about my wolf dilemma, lol. And tell them for me that they are absolutely adorable in their eared chullos. Wait, what am I talking about? They are adorable, even when nekkid. Um, I mean with fur on them, of course, just no accoutrements.
Yeah, I know what they look like, lol. And how big they are...
But I didn't actually see one, just the print. Like the aliens, I think they are out there... somewhere. If not now, maybe in the future?
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