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Post by jamesp on Jul 9, 2017 5:19:13 GMT -5
Unloading problem. 2800 pound stack sitting on trailer. If it were pulled with tractor from the top and fell over it would severely damage trailer. No way it would survive the impact. I forgot to have them lay it over in the parking lot with the fork lift and set it on the trailer laying on its side to be easily rolled off. Solution Disconnected truck from trailer. 5 foot pry bar and pried one side till some 1" water pipes could be stuck under it. Rolled it off the back of the trailer on 6 water pipes. Trailer tilted once past rear axle and sent it down hill and onto ground. Took about 15 minutes. eureka Going to have to remove old wood decking and weld more serious structure under the 20 year old decking if trailer is going to last much longer. Deck starting to look like a cereal bowl. Not made for such heavy point loads. Two stacks at 2800 pounds. Only 5600 pounds. Axles OK, they are rated at 7000 pounds. Look at bow at rear of trailer. Permanently deformed. Poor abused trailer.  |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 9, 2017 6:03:31 GMT -5
At a factory I once worked at we received a load of new machines from Sweden. They were about 9' X 9' X 8' tall. Weighed 12 tons each and had to go under a low ceiling making a crane out of the question. Had to be moved about 200 feet across a concrete floor. There was an expensive fork lift that could be rented to do the job but it risked damaging the mounting ears on the cast iron base. I made a deal with my boss that I would move them on the weekends for the price of the crane rental. Call it a contract job. They laughed and agreed to it. I moved all 6 of them in one weekend(Saturday) on 1.5 inch water pipes. Long day. Had 10 foot sticks of water pipe in stock. Had to sweep the floor real good. Pushed most of them by hand, rolled like a sled on ice. Made a fortune. Won bets too. The production guys challenged me. They came in Monday morning and I asked them to try their hand at pushing them on the pipes. They got it. Submitted. And paid up. The machines were the end structures of giant 26 and 28 meter weaving looms. Called the dobby. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobby_loomThese dobby's had a hydraulic to air canon to fire the composite shuttle 28 meters(like 80 feet), carrying the weft string back and forth as the loom would weave it in. Hydraulic pressure would press an air filled bladder and compress the air to 3000 psi. When the shuttle was received and caught the air accumulator had a big valve that would open. Launching a plunger with 3000 psi compressed air. the 15 pound shuttle averaged 130 MPH back and forth carrying a string(weft). They would carry a string back and forth over ~80 feet almost one per second. Hydraulic pump unit was hefty high flow with big pipes and valves for fast response times. Image says this is a 16 meter loom. Looks like a 26+ meter. Same Swedish manufacturer(Texo).  This looks like a 12 meter Jager loom. May help visualize shuttle traveling back and forth at 1:40. Mechanical monsters. |
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Post by MrP on Jul 9, 2017 7:23:56 GMT -5
Many times gravity is the enemy but if used right it can be a friend.................................MrP
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Post by melhill1659 on Jul 9, 2017 7:36:01 GMT -5
[/quote]Will figure something out. I am spoiled by the Hogg Mine. I should take a trip down there and stomp around. i doubt the area has had much fresh grading, it is out in the sticks. Maybe it has become more commercial. Ah, I will look on google earth[/quote] jamespJim my truck will go any where I tell it to. I'm just good like that. I was reading their web site and they have a few different ways of hounding there. A few extra fees for what seems better access than the date announced digs. Now if you want to make it an adventure and root around in other areas we could possibly stumble upon that will take more time. I could do that July 22-23. Heck not like I only have to visit on William Holland trips. We can always get up an old fashion weekend scouting and digging trip!! |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 9, 2017 7:55:18 GMT -5
Will figure something out. I am spoiled by the Hogg Mine. I should take a trip down there and stomp around. i doubt the area has had much fresh grading, it is out in the sticks. Maybe it has become more commercial. Ah, I will look on google earth[/quote] jamespJim my truck will go any where I tell it to. I'm just good like that. I was reading their web site and they have a few different ways of hounding there. A few extra fees for what seems better access than the date announced digs. Now if you want to make it an adventure and root around in other areas we could possibly stumble upon that will take more time. I could do that July 22-23. Heck not like I only have to visit on William Holland trips. We can always get up an old fashion weekend scouting and digging trip!! [/quote] The Hogg mine may have scheduled digs. went down there a few years ago on trust system. Owner had me paypal like $30 and we collected a couple of 5 gallon buckets(their limit) w/out supervision. New ownership since I believe and I don't know how they have it set up. I may scoot down there next week during week and see if I can find some spots or beg for property permission in area. It's only 1.5 hours away. Or you guys can stop by here on the way back home and go thru the coral. Make it an easy stop. I got stuff to romp thru. Lots of goodies. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 9, 2017 7:59:47 GMT -5
Many times gravity is the enemy but if used right it can be a friend.................................MrP Had that stack been set on the edge I would have simply toppled it off the edge Michael. Getting those things separated is a bear too. They come wedged into each other and weigh 240# each. I raise up on them with the tractor lift and a vice grip attached to the top one. Whilst under tension you hit them with a sledge on the side and they come apart. Gotta have the tractor lift. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 29, 2017 10:33:49 GMT -5
Hired help. This is half of them working weekends for a month. Great worker and a friend. Preparing for fall attack.  |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 30, 2017 5:50:57 GMT -5
Those fire pits rust well sitting on concrete with full sun. They rust faster and more homogenous with direct sun hitting their surface go figure, so full day of sun with zero shade is best. Retired full sun plant nursery a God send for growing rust. Rust patina a commodity these days. No water or fertilizer required. However irrigating with water mixed with muriatic acid does wonders for speeding rust. Muriatic acid hell on weeds. Demolition of one of the greenhouses. Bloody hard work. Water holding boxes made of treated 2 X 10's with rubber liners lasted 25 years. Been giving the greenhouse poles away. Land will be reclaimed and put into pasture grass.     |
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Post by snuffy on Jul 30, 2017 6:57:31 GMT -5
Those fire pits rust well sitting on concrete with full sun. They rust faster and more homogenous with direct sun hitting their surface go figure, so full day of sun with zero shade is best. Retired full sun plant nursery a God send for growing rust. Rust patina a commodity these days. No water or fertilizer required. However irrigating with water mixed with muriatic acid does wonders for speeding rust. Muriatic acid hell on weeds. Demolition of one of the greenhouses. Bloody hard work. Water holding boxes made of treated 2 X 10's with rubber liners lasted 25 years. Been giving the greenhouse poles away. Land will be reclaimed and put into pasture grass. The heck with pasture grass. Use the lumber and make raised beds for tomatoes,fruit trees!  snuffy |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 30, 2017 10:30:09 GMT -5
Those fire pits rust well sitting on concrete with full sun. They rust faster and more homogenous with direct sun hitting their surface go figure, so full day of sun with zero shade is best. Retired full sun plant nursery a God send for growing rust. Rust patina a commodity these days. No water or fertilizer required. However irrigating with water mixed with muriatic acid does wonders for speeding rust. Muriatic acid hell on weeds. Demolition of one of the greenhouses. Bloody hard work. Water holding boxes made of treated 2 X 10's with rubber liners lasted 25 years. Been giving the greenhouse poles away. Land will be reclaimed and put into pasture grass. The heck with pasture grass. Use the lumber and make raised beds for tomatoes,fruit trees! snuffy Just to the left of the house in photos is a fine field about 200 feet long and 50 feet wide. Rich soil that washed in from the neighboring property with nary a rock in it with big irrigation pump next to it. That will be the next food growing spot snuffy and will let the tractor do the soil manipulation and weed cultivation to take a load off the aging bones. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 7, 2017 9:35:00 GMT -5
Explaining the rust process. Every picture tells a story seems to work best. Some clients just do not get the rust patina process.  |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 11, 2017 7:25:34 GMT -5
Stocked up on strip steel. Supplier cut them 30 at a time in their big saw, 280 pieces. Labor saver.  Small and large manual ring benders.   Waste from bending rings  Cut outs for drains. One per fire pit all this year. will count to find out 2017 sales Employee uses plasma cutter, I use torch. mine are prettier. Boot suffering from molten steel damage. Need asbestos socks.  |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 24, 2017 15:55:29 GMT -5
Made this for a client. Could increase the height of the inner bowl to keep water from boiling into the fire and not put a hole in it. Weld a pipe and valve to the drain of outer bowl to allow draining the water. Fill the gap with water and see what kind of steam rises. Could be a freaky effect. 48 inch outer bowl of 3/8" steel, 42 inch inner bowl of 1/4" steel. Purpose was to avoid children from being burnt with single wall pit.  |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 24, 2017 17:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by orrum on Aug 24, 2017 18:14:12 GMT -5
Pasture grass Jim? Sounds like yall gettin ready for horses again? LOL
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Post by coloradocliff on Aug 24, 2017 18:16:18 GMT -5
Too low a temperature. Maybe a preheater for water?? Mostly looks wasteful but a good idea for the baby. Seem easier to set the pit inside a masonry ring instead of cooling the thing you want hot. Maybe insulation between the layers instead of water. Then air to cool the outside of the insulation. Cheaper easier no waste material to dispose of, warm air flow to the people around the pit. Small squirrel cage blower hidden under. . I did consulting work for using waste heat from unique sources. One was a greenhouse range they set up in a cloudy and touristy valley just because they had the land. Build it they'll come mindset. Sun didn't hit the greenhouse till 10 am, down between 4-5. Steep mountains on both side of the valley. Wanted to use geothermal heat. No telling the rich fool. Wanted to grow cut carnations and roses which 20 years before were lost to greenhouse in Columbia, at elevation so didn't need heat and cooling, cheap labor, no environmental laws etc. Direct flights to Miami for distribution, Further compounding the problem,is he took a free consultation from a guy selling the heating system and the guy sold him heat exchanges for normal greenhouse use which promptly got eaten by the acidity of the geothermal water. He didn't reinject the spent water and allowed it to fill giant ponds of, toxic to plants, water> Huge ponds, killed his soil and rusted out his heating system, in a couple years or less. He then got sued by the neighbors for lowering the water table to the hot springs and several nearby homes. A lot of work for less than anything results. Equivalent deal in Craig Colorado. Waste water from a coal fired generation plant. Designed it to run thru GLW type heat exchangers. Come right off the manifold from the turbines, cooling the spent steam into condensate. The company had certain environmental and union rules that made the cost of hooking into the system over a half million dollars. The the kicker was that the steam plumes from the stacks obscured the only areas feasible for the greenhouse footprint. Everyone but me wanted the project to go including my consulting partners. 2 college professors, one PHD Geologist and his Botanist wife. Both dear friends. The city council of the town when I presented our feasibility report were all gungho except one man with sense who listened and over a weeks tie told the rst of the council;l and save the town a huge financial loss. Yep am leery of water being used even in a small application like this. Seems like another method might be considered. Maybe fireproof the cute baby. Grin Hows the ant bites today? get the scabs forming yet? Man that looked sore. Might I suggest fishnet stockings to alleviate the pain? grin.. HAd another knee surgery yesterday on 12 hours notice at the VA hospital. HAd so many military surgeries I don't even think about them. Being the silly goose I am and knowing the surgical staff well. We had a really fun time prepping me. Got everyone doing the chicken dance Arms pumping. What a hoot in the or. Love my doctor. Anywho in the recovery room as soon as I woke up immediately looked for something interesting. Aw Felt tip pen.. Nothing to draw on except the long hose covering my legs. Made me some fishnet stockings. Nurse came back to make sure I was alright and gave me a big scowl. Doc come up right behind and laffed his butt off. So I recommend fishnets for yah. No pain pills after my surgeries..Ole numby.
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Post by melhill1659 on Aug 24, 2017 20:57:28 GMT -5
Too low a temperature. Maybe a preheater for water?? Mostly looks wasteful but a good idea for the baby. Seem easier to set the pit inside a masonry ring instead of cooling the thing you want hot. Maybe insulation between the layers instead of water. Then air to cool the outside of the insulation. Cheaper easier no waste material to dispose of, warm air flow to the people around the pit. Small squirrel cage blower hidden under. . I did consulting work for using waste heat from unique sources. One was a greenhouse range they set up in a cloudy and touristy valley just because they had the land. Build it they'll come mindset. Sun didn't hit the greenhouse till 10 am, down between 4-5. Steep mountains on both side of the valley. Wanted to use geothermal heat. No telling the rich fool. Wanted to grow cut carnations and roses which 20 years before were lost to greenhouse in Columbia, at elevation so didn't need heat and cooling, cheap labor, no environmental laws etc. Direct flights to Miami for distribution, Further compounding the problem,is he took a free consultation from a guy selling the heating system and the guy sold him heat exchanges for normal greenhouse use which promptly got eaten by the acidity of the geothermal water. He didn't reinject the spent water and allowed it to fill giant ponds of, toxic to plants, water> Huge ponds, killed his soil and rusted out his heating system, in a couple years or less. He then got sued by the neighbors for lowering the water table to the hot springs and several nearby homes. A lot of work for less than anything results. Equivalent deal in Craig Colorado. Waste water from a coal fired generation plant. Designed it to run thru GLW type heat exchangers. Come right off the manifold from the turbines, cooling the spent steam into condensate. The company had certain environmental and union rules that made the cost of hooking into the system over a half million dollars. The the kicker was that the steam plumes from the stacks obscured the only areas feasible for the greenhouse footprint. Everyone but me wanted the project to go including my consulting partners. 2 college professors, one PHD Geologist and his Botanist wife. Both dear friends. The city council of the town when I presented our feasibility report were all gungho except one man with sense who listened and over a weeks tie told the rst of the council;l and save the town a huge financial loss. Yep am leery of water being used even in a small application like this. Seems like another method might be considered. Maybe fireproof the cute baby. Grin Hows the ant bites today? get the scabs forming yet? Man that looked sore. Might I suggest fishnet stockings to alleviate the pain? grin.. HAd another knee surgery yesterday on 12 hours notice at the VA hospital. HAd so many military surgeries I don't even think about them. Being the silly goose I am and knowing the surgical staff well. We had a really fun time prepping me. Got everyone doing the chicken dance Arms pumping. What a hoot in the or. Love my doctor. Anywho in the recovery room as soon as I woke up immediately looked for something interesting. Aw Felt tip pen.. Nothing to draw on except the long hose covering my legs. Made me some fishnet stockings. Nurse came back to make sure I was alright and gave me a big scowl. Doc come up right behind and laffed his butt off. So I recommend fishnets for yah. No pain pills after my surgeries..Ole numby. ![]() style="max-width:100%" src="http://www.rockshow.rocktumblinghobby.com/upload/2017/08/24/20170824161459-26711e1f.jpg" Where'd the pic go?? How's your knee?? |
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Post by coloradocliff on Aug 24, 2017 21:35:37 GMT -5
Too low a temperature. Maybe a preheater for water?? Mostly looks wasteful but a good idea for the baby. Seem easier to set the pit inside a masonry ring instead of cooling the thing you want hot. Maybe insulation between the layers instead of water. Then air to cool the outside of the insulation. Cheaper easier no waste material to dispose of, warm air flow to the people around the pit. Small squirrel cage blower hidden under. . I did consulting work for using waste heat from unique sources. One was a greenhouse range they set up in a cloudy and touristy valley just because they had the land. Build it they'll come mindset. Sun didn't hit the greenhouse till 10 am, down between 4-5. Steep mountains on both side of the valley. Wanted to use geothermal heat. No telling the rich fool. Wanted to grow cut carnations and roses which 20 years before were lost to greenhouse in Columbia, at elevation so didn't need heat and cooling, cheap labor, no environmental laws etc. Direct flights to Miami for distribution, Further compounding the problem,is he took a free consultation from a guy selling the heating system and the guy sold him heat exchanges for normal greenhouse use which promptly got eaten by the acidity of the geothermal water. He didn't reinject the spent water and allowed it to fill giant ponds of, toxic to plants, water> Huge ponds, killed his soil and rusted out his heating system, in a couple years or less. He then got sued by the neighbors for lowering the water table to the hot springs and several nearby homes. A lot of work for less than anything results. Equivalent deal in Craig Colorado. Waste water from a coal fired generation plant. Designed it to run thru GLW type heat exchangers. Come right off the manifold from the turbines, cooling the spent steam into condensate. The company had certain environmental and union rules that made the cost of hooking into the system over a half million dollars. The the kicker was that the steam plumes from the stacks obscured the only areas feasible for the greenhouse footprint. Everyone but me wanted the project to go including my consulting partners. 2 college professors, one PHD Geologist and his Botanist wife. Both dear friends. The city council of the town when I presented our feasibility report were all gungho except one man with sense who listened and over a weeks tie told the rst of the council;l and save the town a huge financial loss. Yep am leery of water being used even in a small application like this. Seems like another method might be considered. Maybe fireproof the cute baby. Grin Hows the ant bites today? get the scabs forming yet? Man that looked sore. Might I suggest fishnet stockings to alleviate the pain? grin.. HAd another knee surgery yesterday on 12 hours notice at the VA hospital. HAd so many military surgeries I don't even think about them. Being the silly goose I am and knowing the surgical staff well. We had a really fun time prepping me. Got everyone doing the chicken dance Arms pumping. What a hoot in the or. Love my doctor. Anywho in the recovery room as soon as I woke up immediately looked for something interesting. Aw Felt tip pen.. Nothing to draw on except the long hose covering my legs. Made me some fishnet stockings. Nurse came back to make sure I was alright and gave me a big scowl. Doc come up right behind and laffed his butt off. So I recommend fishnets for yah. No pain pills after my surgeries..Ole numby. ![]() style="max-width:100%" src="http://www.rockshow.rocktumblinghobby.com/upload/2017/08/24/20170824161459-26711e1f.jpg" Where'd the pic go?? How's your knee?? Pict back.. Knee bites like always. Hope I don't get after life so darn hard this time. Same operation last fall.. Just take it easy and be cool. Loving the fish nets huh. Who you think would look best in fish nets> captbob or jamesp Don't let MrMike know though. He'll mess with them poor helpless gentlemen. heheheh
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Post by melhill1659 on Aug 24, 2017 21:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by coloradocliff on Aug 24, 2017 22:04:02 GMT -5
Bob got the long legs that go all the way to his arm pits. Make a good show guy in Vegas if he would just kick that manly stubble. grin. Best I ever looked was when I made that lil black dress for the prison dance with toilet paper and shoe polish. hehehe
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