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Post by jamesp on Apr 3, 2016 5:20:38 GMT -5
I use Georgia red clay as a an additive during coarse grind in the rotary. To protect delicately shaped rocks and as a coarse grit carrier. White clay (kaolin) was a total flop. Ran 12 days and SiC 30 grit never broke down. Red clay way more efficient, breaking down grit at 3-4 days. White clay sort of foamy, red clay smooth and creamy. Go figure. No ideas why. Red clay covers half the farm, white clay 100 miles away. White clay, very fine like talc powder. Red clay, tacky and higher quartz sand composition
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Post by Jugglerguy on Apr 3, 2016 6:53:54 GMT -5
That discovery will save you a lot of driving. No security chasing you around your farm is a bonus too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 14:49:32 GMT -5
#1) maybe white is better for polish
#2) how much for a lfrb of the red?
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Post by Intheswamp on Apr 3, 2016 17:05:42 GMT -5
Interesting conclusion, James. Seems I've see some white clay that sticks pretty good...real tacky. Looking back at the white clay above it looks kind of chalky. Also, what about the gumbo mud up around Montgomery?...I'll have to see about snagging some one day. Lots of ponds up that way in spots you wouldn't think would be a good place for a pond...holds water really good, though. That red clay, though, is some incredibly sticking, slicking, reddening stuff. Very rare, too.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 3, 2016 18:07:19 GMT -5
Interesting conclusion, James. Seems I've see some white clay that sticks pretty good...real tacky. Looking back at the white clay above it looks kind of chalky. Also, what about the gumbo mud up around Montgomery?...I'll have to see about snagging some one day. Lots of ponds up that way in spots you wouldn't think would be a good place for a pond...holds water really good, though. That red clay, though, is some incredibly sticking, slicking, reddening stuff. Very rare, too. The white clay does have a chalky texture Ed. Must have calcium carbonate as it has fossils in it. Red clay, we call it greasy. Floridian friends came up to farm w/their dirt bikes, brothers. Two peas in a pod. LOL as they started up the steep clay banked hill, half way up and had to learn backwards with no success. Harmonized disaster, ROCL (me rolling on clay laughing). Where's that video cam when ya need it.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 3, 2016 18:09:22 GMT -5
#1) maybe white is better for polish #2) how much for a lfrb of the red? PM address Scott.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 3, 2016 18:21:40 GMT -5
That discovery will save you a lot of driving. No security chasing you around your farm is a bonus too. But so boring Rob. I do have security cameras. To watch myself(deer) Last night, SOB's tearing up my water lilies. Today's damage, venison in the near future. The plants will come back in a few weeks
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Post by Jugglerguy on Apr 3, 2016 19:31:48 GMT -5
I garden too, but not for a living. I've decided that if deer like it that much, I don't have to have it in my yard. I actually read a book about deer control once. The conclusion was basically that besides about a ten foot fence with a gate that is religiously kept closed, there is no sure fire way to keep them out.
My four pronged approach:
1.) Don't plant stuff that they really like a lot. 2.) I have a device that emits a high pitched tone that deer and young people can hear, but I can't. I'm not sure if it's effective. 3.) Homemade deer spray containing eggs and cayenne pepper as the main ingredients. This only goes on something that I really want in my yard bad, but I usually don't apply it enough to be effective. 4.) Running at the deer when I see them while yelling and flailing my arms wildly. This probably only amuses them. I imagine them telling their buddies that there's dinner and a show over in my yard.
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 3, 2016 20:26:38 GMT -5
Sounding crude,but when I planted young trees in North Dakota,the deer where chowing down on them and the bucks tearing them up with the rubbing of their antlers!!!!!!!! An oldtimer told me a secret way to rid of that problem and it worked!! Pee on my trees,deer didn't go near them anymore!!!!!! Tried it on my veggie garden,it was good till the rains... Lots of marigold flowers too,they,hated the smell and texture of the flower........... The last resort,venison in the pot and freezers,when deer season came along,trasspassing on my property..... Small town of 22 people,nobody cared,if a few deer came up missing...............
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Post by Intheswamp on Apr 3, 2016 21:33:25 GMT -5
James, yelp...a video would've been nice. Fossilman, remind me if I ever happen to visit you to forego the veggies.<grin> Deer in the freezer or on the plate...both sounds good to me.
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Post by quartz on Apr 3, 2016 21:56:28 GMT -5
We had as many as 11 deer out back lounging around and eating the garden and Carol's flowers, figured it was their place or ours. Tried the bars of soap, peeing the perimeter, and other "old wives tale" remedies w/o success. We found a six foot good neighbor fence would keep them out, if the deer can't see what's on the other side, they won't jump it. I have some relatives that live in elk country, the fence around their garden looks like a prison fence, 12 feet high and very sturdy. The deer here don't like plants that have purple flowers.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2016 4:14:50 GMT -5
Have tried many of the above. Add mirrors and wind chimes. Finally found a system. Home Depot motion sensing flood light. They sense up to 150 feet away. One socket has a flood light. The other socket a bulb to female electrical plug converter. Plugged into the other socket a small fan in a cooler or box providing rain protection. On the fan a wire or sheet of thin plastic clamped that touches the fan blade like a playing card attached with a clothes pin on your bicycle. A radio, a fan set up as described, a drill motor, or any electrical device that makes mechanical noise in conjunction with the light really messes with their head. This has worked best so far.
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 4, 2016 7:03:23 GMT -5
When I owned a tree nursery and green house I had sold several hundred apple trees to a neighbor. He would go down to the local locker plant and get all the remains from their butchering. He put it a manure spreader and went up and down his orchard. This attracted the wolves which repeled the deer....Genius. Like everything else, locker plants are a thing of the past. No one had a big freezer so when you buthered or had the locker plant butcher you would rent a space in their big freezer, go there once a week a pull out the meat you were going have for the week.
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Post by Intheswamp on Apr 4, 2016 7:27:53 GMT -5
Along the lines of what Larry mentioned above about deer not wanting to jump over things they can't see over... I've never tried it, project got killed before the fence went up, but from researching all the things and trying many of them, it appears that an upright fence (wire mesh is fine) 6-8 feet tall and then a 3-4 foot "wing" of fence slanting outward at a 45* angle at the top works. Seems the deer walk up to it, look upward and are confused by the complexity(?) of the depth of the barrier. Having said all of that I'll now mention the opposite (deer jumping into the unknown)... Deer can jump amazing heights. As a young man I was riding down the road when one ran across probably a couple of hundred feet in front of me. There was a heavily overgrown fence row it was running towards. I expected it to plow into the undergrowth and be gone. Nope. It crouched down on the run and leaped over a 10-12 foot hedge row...it couldn't have seen to the other side. I believe though, that that was probably a deer crossing and the deer had already traveled that route and thus knew what he was jumping. It was amazing to see an animal of that size go airborne that high!!! James, how long as the noise/light apparatus been successfully in use? Seems that deer acclimate themselves pretty easily to things...look at all the deer in the metro areas now...
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2016 7:46:10 GMT -5
Along the lines of what Larry mentioned above about deer not wanting to jump over things they can't see over... I've never tried it, project got killed before the fence went up, but from researching all the things and trying many of them, it appears that an upright fence (wire mesh is fine) 6-8 feet tall and then a 3-4 foot "wing" of fence slanting outward at a 45* angle at the top works. Seems the deer walk up to it, look upward and are confused by the complexity(?) of the depth of the barrier. Having said all of that I'll now mention the opposite (deer jumping into the unknown)... Deer can jump amazing heights. As a young man I was riding down the road when one ran across probably a couple of hundred feet in front of me. There was a heavily overgrown fence row it was running towards. I expected it to plow into the undergrowth and be gone. Nope. It crouched down on the run and leaped over a 10-12 foot hedge row...it couldn't have seen to the other side. I believe though, that that was probably a deer crossing and the deer had already traveled that route and thus knew what he was jumping. It was amazing to see an animal of that size go airborne that high!!! James, how long as the noise/light apparatus been successfully in use? Seems that deer acclimate themselves pretty easily to things...look at all the deer in the metro areas now... That apparatus has worked for years. The combination of the two just messes with their head to much. One area where they attack is near the house. Before, I just had a flood light and could see it come on at night. They got used to the light but not the bullets that reached out to them neglecting the limelight haha. Added mechanical noise and they quit. A 36 inch will keep them out if water is on the other side. That's a fact. However, one started jumping the 36 inch fence where there was only 1 inch of water over concrete. This is a new issue and I am at great risk. I have pressurized water there and a Scare Crow can be used. it is another 100% device. Dead reliable, here it is:
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2016 7:50:26 GMT -5
When I owned a tree nursery and green house I had sold several hundred apple trees to a neighbor. He would go down to the local locker plant and get all the remains from their butchering. He put it a manure spreader and went up and down his orchard. This attracted the wolves which repeled the deer....Genius. Like everything else, locker plants are a thing of the past. No one had a big freezer so when you buthered or had the locker plant butcher you would rent a space in their big freezer, go there once a week a pull out the meat you were going have for the week. Hell, wish we had wolves Billy. These deer run by my big hounds just for the chase. Head in to the blackberry thorns and hang my dogs up LOL. I suppose they(the dogs) would like me to spread meat scraps.
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 4, 2016 10:48:06 GMT -5
spread venison scraps so they get a taste
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2016 11:15:30 GMT -5
spread venison scraps so they get a taste Wife will kill for those flea bags. Won't let them do any work. The coyotes give the new borns a hard time. Adults too much for them to handle. Need those wolves.
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Post by Intheswamp on Apr 4, 2016 21:59:15 GMT -5
You wouldn't think it'd matter, but when we cook roast beef, Buddy, our old bulldog, get's attentive waiting for his tidbit. When we cook deer it's like he becomes possessed!!!!!! <grin>
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Post by es355lucille on Apr 4, 2016 23:32:21 GMT -5
So how much would it be for an lfrb of deer jerky? Lol.......we have deer in our backyard almost nightly....the wife feeds the birds....the deer love it. Hard to keep them out, when they set their mind on it. Putting up the automated deterrents helps a lot.
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