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Post by Garage Rocker on Nov 22, 2016 19:41:52 GMT -5
Not my photo, jamesp. I believe there has to be a lot of wasted time trying to photograph cats. And I never was much on props. That looks like one pimpin' cat though. Made me imagine @shotgunner 'cattin around'.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 22, 2016 20:00:01 GMT -5
Yea, that's the shotgunner alright. He has no access to Chestnut though. Don't ever step on one of those pin balls after they have dried.
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Post by richardh on Nov 22, 2016 20:07:44 GMT -5
Finally had some success! Three days ago I started again from scratch with a clean barrel, clean rios and fresh 30 grit. The loading of the PVC drum on the 3-lb tumbler was one 2.5" rio, 8-10 quarter sized rio fragments and 15-20 pea sized rio fragments, Three tbsp of cat litter, 4 tbsp of 30 grit SiC and water half way up the barrel.
I checked the barrel after four hours and the slurry was quite thick but rocks were still tumbling over each other so I let it keep going. I checked every 12 hours or so to make sure tumbling was still taking place. After three days (tonight) I checked the barrel and there was no trace of grit. The slurry was quite thick so I did a full clean out and started out with the same loading as last time to see if I could get the same result twice.
The rocks were showing very nice wear. Instead of looking all pitted like I am used to seeing there was more rounding and even wear.
The only obvious difference between this run and my last unsuccessful one was less water/thicker slurry. This was so thick at the end that I was surprised I got any grinding at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:52:51 GMT -5
Yea, that's the shotgunner alright. He has no access to Chestnut though. Don't ever step on one of those pin balls after they have dried. I'm lost. Catting around? No access to chestnut? Is chestnut a cat? Clueless in Chino
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 3:15:44 GMT -5
Clueless is a good spot for you.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 4:02:45 GMT -5
Finally had some success! Three days ago I started again from scratch with a clean barrel, clean rios and fresh 30 grit. The loading of the PVC drum on the 3-lb tumbler was one 2.5" rio, 8-10 quarter sized rio fragments and 15-20 pea sized rio fragments, Three tbsp of cat litter, 4 tbsp of 30 grit SiC and water half way up the barrel. I checked the barrel after four hours and the slurry was quite thick but rocks were still tumbling over each other so I let it keep going. I checked every 12 hours or so to make sure tumbling was still taking place. After three days (tonight) I checked the barrel and there was no trace of grit. The slurry was quite thick so I did a full clean out and started out with the same loading as last time to see if I could get the same result twice. The rocks were showing very nice wear. Instead of looking all pitted like I am used to seeing there was more rounding and even wear. The only obvious difference between this run and my last unsuccessful one was less water/thicker slurry. This was so thick at the end that I was surprised I got any grinding at all. Perfect, a larger 2.5 inch grinder rock and a low dose of water. Keep your recipe just the way you wrote it down and repeat it in the future. It took about 3 attempts to get some new small 6 pound barrels dialed in to the correct slurry thickness. I have a water line 'mark' at a joint in my barrels that I fill to with rock. Then I pour water to the same line. Then add smaller rocks to about an inch over the line. That way the amount of water is closely measured for 1 cup of clay. Too much water or too little water for 1 cup of clay and everything goes wrong-too thick or too thin a slurry. It is a bit less water than most people would use in a rotary. But it is the clay-to-water ratio that makes the right viscosity for an instant slurry. And the barrel is a bit less than 3/4 full, more like 2/3 full, which way increases grind and grit breakdown. As a barrel is filled with more rocks past 50-60% the grinding action slows, but a 50- 60% full barrel can damage some rocks in a water slurry. No problem if you have a slurry, way more grinding action along with the protection of slurry. Yes, you would think the slurry is too thick. If you can hear the rocks rattling/bumping/grinding then the slurry is likely OK. Overly thick slurry will start to make the barrel very quiet. Usually adding a little water will get it going again. The pits you had seen are caused by the grit was not breaking down. Yes, that will pit the rocks as it should. When the grit is finished breaking down, you can pull one single rock and if it is smooth you know your grit is broken down to 220-300 or smaller. Easy to tell by looking at rock smoothness. No need to do a wash down and look of unused grit, the rock smoothness will tell. SiC 8 made deep pits in the rocks. After it had broken down and run a day or two or longer the rocks were so smooth the 220 step could about be skipped. The deeper pits equates to faster wear due to coarser grit. Congrats. I found smaller barrels to be touchy getting the clay-to-water ratio correct. The top of the green wear sleeve is measuring line for rocks and water for these small 6 pound barrels.
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Post by richardh on Nov 23, 2016 7:44:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip about rock smoothness equating to grit breakdown. Makes total sense and makes life easier.
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Post by 1dave on Nov 23, 2016 9:06:19 GMT -5
A quick dive in mud over my head. our normally visible planet Earth surface domain consists predominately of only eight elements:1 - oxygen, 2 - silicon, 3 - aluminum,4 - iron; O, s, a, i. That is easy to remember. Then 5 - calcium, 6 - sodium, 7 - potassium, 8 - magnesium; C, s, p, m. Those are the eight major rock forming elements.That is what most rocks we see are made of. Remember Sail Boat. ‘Oh! Suddenly An Idea Came Sailing Past Me!’ O s a i; c s p m. That is what makes up ninety nine percent of mud.” That last one percent consists mostly of just eight more elements. In decreasing order, they are titanium, hydrogen, phosphorus, manganese, fluorine, barium, carbon, and strontium; T, h, p, m, f, b, c, s. The eight minor rock forming elements.‘The Heavier Parts Made From Bigger Constructed Stars.’ That gets you to 99.9 percent of all mud.All we have to do is toss out all that is not in your RED CLAY. Clay comes from the breakdown of feldspar so we can toss out a lot of quartz - SiO2, what more? We have to keep the iron for the red, most likely aluminum because it is everywhere. Calcium,sodium, potassium, magnesium. Some of them have to be there. What do those electron shells do?
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Post by txrockhunter on Nov 23, 2016 12:40:10 GMT -5
If you want to sell your SiC 30 I will be glad to buy it and cover your costs. At three 1/2 cup doses per 6 pound barrel daily it gets used up fast. Everything is probably gone by now, but I'll throw my name in the hat, too. I run through about 6 cups a week, so I'm right there with you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:46:28 GMT -5
Regarding water/clay ratio:
I will be utilising premixed slurry. A measure of water and clay in a plastic cookie barrel turning on the tumbler while I work the barrel. When barrel is ready to add new slurry I'll fill the barrel from the premix. Exact same ratio every time, no matter how many rocks, sizes and air volume is left. Additionally, I can maximise slurry volume with a full barrel, no air.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:54:42 GMT -5
A quick dive in mud over my head. our normally visible planet Earth surface domain consists predominately of only eight elements:1 - oxygen, 2 - silicon, 3 - aluminum,4 - iron; O, s, a, i. That is easy to remember. Then 5 - calcium, 6 - sodium, 7 - potassium, 8 - magnesium; C, s, p, m. Those are the eight major rock forming elements.That is what most rocks we see are made of. Remember Sail Boat. ‘Oh! Suddenly An Idea Came Sailing Past Me!’ O s a i; c s p m. That is what makes up ninety nine percent of mud.” That last one percent consists mostly of just eight more elements. In decreasing order, they are titanium, hydrogen, phosphorus, manganese, fluorine, barium, carbon, and strontium; T, h, p, m, f, b, c, s. The eight minor rock forming elements.‘The Heavier Parts Made From Bigger Constructed Stars.’ That gets you to 99.9 percent of all mud.All we have to do is toss out all that is not in your RED CLAY. Clay comes from the breakdown of feldspar so we can toss out a lot of quartz - SiO2, what more? We have to keep the iron for the red, most likely aluminum because it is everywhere. Calcium,sodium, potassium, magnesium. Some of them have to be there. What do those electron shells do? Tapping out. You had me until the last sentence!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 13:10:41 GMT -5
If you want to sell your SiC 30 I will be glad to buy it and cover your costs. At three 1/2 cup doses per 6 pound barrel daily it gets used up fast. Everything is probably gone by now, but I'll throw my name in the hat, too. I run through about 6 cups a week, so I'm right there with you! Jeremy is competing with me on others failed attempts. Selling their grit because it did not work for them due to my advise. I must sit and ponder on this "by way of Omaha" business plan. Not sure Enron could come up with such a scheme. Jeremy a shrewd businessman.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 13:12:04 GMT -5
Regarding water/clay ratio: I will be utilising premixed slurry. A measure of water and clay in a plastic cookie barrel turning on the tumbler while I work the barrel. When barrel is ready to add new slurry I'll fill the barrel from the premix. Exact same ratio every time, no matter how many rocks, sizes and air volume is left. Additionally, I can maximise slurry volume with a full barrel, no air. That is the accurate way. Especially due to varied void volume with rocks and medias. Shake well before using
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 13:19:26 GMT -5
The amount of aluminum in clay is a surprise 1dave. Apparently felspar has a lot of aluminum in it. Never knew OSAI facts. What are the initials of the 4 main components of humans ? Many have components B and S, and that's about it.
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Post by txrockhunter on Nov 23, 2016 13:47:11 GMT -5
Everything is probably gone by now, but I'll throw my name in the hat, too. I run through about 6 cups a week, so I'm right there with you! Jeremy is competing with me on others failed attempts. Selling their grit because it did not work for them due to my advise. I must sit and ponder on this "by way of Omaha" business plan. Not sure Enron could come up with such a scheme. Jeremy a shrewd businessman. Alexander Graham Bell didn't invent the phone, he was just the 1st one to patent it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:58:32 GMT -5
Regarding water/clay ratio: I will be utilising premixed slurry. A measure of water and clay in a plastic cookie barrel turning on the tumbler while I work the barrel. When barrel is ready to add new slurry I'll fill the barrel from the premix. Exact same ratio every time, no matter how many rocks, sizes and air volume is left. Additionally, I can maximise slurry volume with a full barrel, no air. That is the accurate way. Especially due to varied void volume with rocks and medias. Shake well before using Just going to add components into a cookie barrel, screw on the lid, and let it roll. Shouldn't take long.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 23, 2016 14:04:57 GMT -5
That is the accurate way. Especially due to varied void volume with rocks and medias. Shake well before using Just going to add components into a cookie barrel, screw on the lid, and let it roll. Shouldn't take long. I mix two 50 pound bags of fertilizer on my tumbler in a 20 gallon screw type industrial barrel. Heavy and hard to roll on the ground. Let it run for 30 minutes. 10-10-17-6 month release with 0-0-56-3 month release to get water lily bloom boost.. Darn good mixer and darn good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 15:03:06 GMT -5
Just going to add components into a cookie barrel, screw on the lid, and let it roll. Shouldn't take long. I mix two 50 pound bags of fertilizer on my tumbler in a 20 gallon screw type industrial barrel. Heavy and hard to roll on the ground. Let it run for 30 minutes. 10-10-17-6 month release with 0-0-56-3 month release to get water lily bloom boost.. Darn good mixer and darn good idea. Plus solid clay takes up barrel volume. I'm taking credit for kitty litter and this process. With such low rpm on the 20G barrel, I would have thought longer was needed.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 24, 2016 9:56:34 GMT -5
@shotgunner, the pills are coated with a smooth dissolvable plastic to attain time release. It mixes quick. Almost like red BB's and blue BB's. The different fertilizers come in different shades of grey to black. Makes it easy to see mix quality.
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