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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 11:32:11 GMT -5
The controls cost a fortune. Industrial duty. It has a 208 VAC motor and control and beware. He has 3 phase power. Cheaper to use 3 phase but probably none of us have 3 phase coming in our house. "Operating a motor rated at 230 vac on 208 vac will cause the motor to operate at a higher temperature and slightly less HP will be produced. Motors are usually rated to run at +-10% voltage, so this falls within the guidelines, barely. If you want to do the proper thing, get yourself a pair of buck/boost transformers to boost your voltage to 230. They will cost you about $110 apiece and when you get them, make sure you ask the seller to send you the literature on how to wire them up for your 3 PH power. You can always find wiring diagrams on the net. Good luck, and be safe when playing with power." Other than the motor(and gear box) issue it looks rock solid.(analogy, race motorcycles use chain drive at 99% efficiency, shaft drive gear box only 95% efficient) You will never beat the efficiency of a belt drive and a barrel sitting on shafts. Except a direct-drive-straight-off-motor-slant tumbler. Gear efficiencies Helical bevel is in the butt of your Tundra
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Post by aDave on Feb 25, 2017 13:47:35 GMT -5
Very intriguing thread and glad I found it. I'll probably have more questions when the polish step is finished in the rotary, and the results are evaluated. Being new in tumbling, and only using rotaries right now (two 45C's) I'd love to get rid of some of the intermediate steps (medium and fine grind)...well, actually combining them into the AO 80 step to reduce time if I'm understanding correctly what's going on with what you've done.
Looking forward to your results. Thanks and regards.
Dave
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 16:07:01 GMT -5
Very intriguing thread and glad I found it. I'll probably have more questions when the polish step is finished in the rotary, and the results are evaluated. Being new in tumbling, and only using rotaries right now (two 45C's) I'd love to get rid of some of the intermediate steps (medium and fine grind)...well, actually combining them into the AO 80 step to reduce time if I'm understanding correctly what's going on with what you've done. Looking forward to your results. Thanks and regards. Dave That is what happened by accident Dave. Tumbling supply companies rarely if ever carry coarse Aluminum oxide. Guess no one ever tried it. Hang on to the polish step. The AO 80 step has always been improved by AO 14,000 polish in my findings. Glad you will have a conventional tumble with the intermediate steps before exploring new methods. Welcome to the forum by the way.
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Post by aDave on Feb 25, 2017 17:14:55 GMT -5
That is what happened by accident Dave. Tumbling supply companies rarely if ever carry coarse Aluminum oxide. Guess no one ever tried it. Hang on to the polish step. The AO 80 step has always been improved by AO 14,000 polish in my findings. Glad you will have a conventional tumble with the intermediate steps before exploring new methods. Welcome to the forum by the way. Thanks for the welcome and info, James. Right now, and as I previously mentioned, I have two rotaries running. One is being used as a perpetual coarse grind machine with the second being used to move through the remaining steps. Using 60/90 for the coarse grind, I'm finding myself recharging weekly and picking stones to move on. I then top off with new material and continue. Having only been at this for about 1.5 months, at least I was able to move to intermediate steps a little over one week ago. If your process works, at least I'll be able to shave a week or so off the entire process. But, I'm going to be following your advice and building my "conventional" foundation before tinkering. I'd like to see what works (or what doesn't) at the most basic levels. Not meaning to hijack your thread further, I'll just sit back and watch what happens with your results. Thanks for sharing. Best regards. Dave
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Post by captbob on Feb 25, 2017 18:01:34 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Dave. Thread hijacking (the above wasn't) is a time honored tradition here. If your thread does not go off course here there is something amiss in the cosmos. If that James fella starts talking about red Georgia clay or something silly like that ... run!! He's kinda special (in a short bus kinda way - if ya know what I mean) and has been known to do some odd things. Have you seen his wratcher? Or was that a hammit? I forget... ETA: oh yeah... I forgot to mention that his avatar picture is his pet "cat". *wink wink* He calls it Fluffy.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 18:11:52 GMT -5
RTH hijack aDave ? What is that ? Rarely does anyone complain about such here, usually amuses most. Three posts later this thread may be uncovering the breeding behavior of albino buffalos. I use a three step. SiC 30 with Georgia red clay as a slurry thickener to carry the grit and suck the rocks together. Adding 30 grit every 1-3 days and pouring off some slurry and adding water when it gets too thick. That is coarse(3-6 weeks). then AO 80 in vibe or rotary. 3 days/10 days Then AO 14,000 polish in vibe 18 hours Guess I followed that recipe a dozen times by now. And I like to do bigger 1 to 2 pound rocks.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 18:13:39 GMT -5
Ha, I was typing while captbob was posting. Bet he said something about my red clay. Getting ready to scroll up and see.
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Post by captbob on Feb 25, 2017 18:14:43 GMT -5
the clay!!
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 18:15:07 GMT -5
Yep ! And a short bus reference. Love that guy
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 18:15:45 GMT -5
the clay!! I knew it
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Post by captbob on Feb 25, 2017 18:17:58 GMT -5
I'm here for ya buddy!
Bail money, bodies buried, you name it.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 25, 2017 18:27:21 GMT -5
As a drug smuggler's decoy on the Rio Grande ? Again ?
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Post by captbob on Feb 25, 2017 18:41:18 GMT -5
Cleaned out a barrel today - actually did 5, but one in particular went from SiC 60/90 to AO 60.
My first strictly coarse AO grit run. Will check in it in a week ... or two.
Had I not been wanting to see what the AO will do, probably would have run it in 60/90 for a couple more weeks. Hope the rocks were ready to go to AO. If not, I lose a couple weeks, and go back to 60/90 - don't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 18:53:50 GMT -5
RTH hijack aDave ? What is that ? Rarely does anyone complain about such here, usually amuses most. Three posts later this thread may be uncovering the breeding behavior of albino buffalos. I use a three step. SiC 30 with Georgia red clay as a slurry thickener to carry the grit and suck the rocks together. Adding 30 grit every 1-3 days and pouring off some slurry and adding water when it gets too thick. That is coarse(3-6 weeks). then AO 80 in vibe or rotary. 3 days/10 days Then AO 14,000 polish in vibe 18 hours Guess I followed that recipe a dozen times by now. And I like to do bigger 1 to 2 pound rocks. Do they breed the same way as blue eyed blonde buffalo's?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 18:54:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Dave. Thread hijacking (the above wasn't) is a time honored tradition here. If your thread does not go off course here there is something amiss in the cosmos. If that James fella starts talking about red Georgia clay or something silly like that ... run!! He's kinda special (in a short bus kinda way - if ya know what I mean) and has been known to do some odd things. Have you seen his wratcher? Or was that a hammit? I forget... ETA: oh yeah... I forgot to mention that his avatar picture is his pet "cat". *wink wink* He calls it Fluffy. You forgot the mic drop. That was hilarious. For sure
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Post by aDave on Feb 25, 2017 19:36:43 GMT -5
RTH hijack aDave ? What is that ? Rarely does anyone complain about such here, usually amuses most. Three posts later this thread may be uncovering the breeding behavior of albino buffalos. I use a three step. SiC 30 with Georgia red clay as a slurry thickener to carry the grit and suck the rocks together. Adding 30 grit every 1-3 days and pouring off some slurry and adding water when it gets too thick. That is coarse(3-6 weeks). then AO 80 in vibe or rotary. 3 days/10 days Then AO 14,000 polish in vibe 18 hours Guess I followed that recipe a dozen times by now. And I like to do bigger 1 to 2 pound rocks. Thanks James. I'd actually seen your reference to the clay before, but I wasn't ready to ask yet. And, as to thread hijacking, I'm a bit more of a purist but not a prude. I've just always felt funny about derailing a thread. Thanks for the schooling. Hmmm. Your recipe calls for a vibe for the polish, so I guess that's why I'm waiting to see your results in a rotary. You did mention that didn't you? Hell, I forget. I'll ask a separate question since you prompted me with your first step procedures. Right now, I am doing a cleanup of my coarse grind on the 8th day. I have not added extra 60/90 during that week. Also, I start each week from scratch after removing rocks and cleaning slurry. Should I be adding abrasive during that week, or just wait until the end when I clean it out? There's that hijack again! Thanks and regards. Dave
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 25, 2017 20:54:28 GMT -5
I'm here for ya buddy! Bail money, bodies buried, you name it. I swear Capt'n you and Jim sound like an old married couple 😂😂
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Post by captbob on Feb 25, 2017 22:22:54 GMT -5
I'd prefer to think of him as a brother from different parents. Us Southern boys are probably all related somehow.
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 25, 2017 22:28:04 GMT -5
I'd prefer to think of him as a brother from different parents. Us Southern boys are probably all related somehow. You know us Mississippians don't call y'all Southerners .... oh an about the mating habits of the.... JK
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2017 4:14:46 GMT -5
RTH hijack aDave ? What is that ? Rarely does anyone complain about such here, usually amuses most. Three posts later this thread may be uncovering the breeding behavior of albino buffalos. I use a three step. SiC 30 with Georgia red clay as a slurry thickener to carry the grit and suck the rocks together. Adding 30 grit every 1-3 days and pouring off some slurry and adding water when it gets too thick. That is coarse(3-6 weeks). then AO 80 in vibe or rotary. 3 days/10 days Then AO 14,000 polish in vibe 18 hours Guess I followed that recipe a dozen times by now. And I like to do bigger 1 to 2 pound rocks. Thanks James. I'd actually seen your reference to the clay before, but I wasn't ready to ask yet. And, as to thread hijacking, I'm a bit more of a purist but not a prude. I've just always felt funny about derailing a thread. Thanks for the schooling. Hmmm. Your recipe calls for a vibe for the polish, so I guess that's why I'm waiting to see your results in a rotary. You did mention that didn't you? Hell, I forget. I'll ask a separate question since you prompted me with your first step procedures. Right now, I am doing a cleanup of my coarse grind on the 8th day. I have not added extra 60/90 during that week. Also, I start each week from scratch after removing rocks and cleaning slurry. Should I be adding abrasive during that week, or just wait until the end when I clean it out? There's that hijack again! Thanks and regards. Dave Yes, it has been found that coarse grit CAN break down much faster than 7 days. Usually more like 2-3 days. It has been found that adding a thickener like kitty litter, clay or colloidal clay can increase specific gravity of slurry and thicken it to better 'float' the coarse SiC grit. And a thick slurry(like a milk shake) sucks(more hijack ammo) the rocks together increasing grind force(like pulling your foot out of wet clay). Set your 4.5 barrel on an incline with 4 pounds of marbles in water and watch it roll down the incline. Set your 4.5 barrel on an incline with 4 pounds of marbles in a thickened slurry and it probably will not roll down the incline. Thicker slurry increases rubbing friction. Mention the breeding habits of an albino buffalo and watch your thread catch on fire. It is OK, you just have to weave purist posts in with the cross flow of various hijack subject matter. Purist come in many forms though, purist tumblers, purist cab makers and so on. Purist hijacking is another art form practiced here. In this case my innocent armadillo has been insulted by being referred to as a feline. It has since crawled in a hole. Feelings hurt. I think the hijack subject matter has now drifted into breeding habits of blue eyed blonde buffalo and incest in the south. Hijack healthy and building momentum, stay tuned for further excitement.... (If I was not a genius and/or did not know what the hell I was talking about this technical discussion could be very difficult in lieu of external subject matter). These hijackers in particular can not help themselves in this case because they have a strong love for me. In my bondage so to speak. Oh yea, back to the course grit breaking down... on right is virgin(this word may spurn yet another hijack conversation) SiC 30, on left is SiC 30 after 12 hours. And a link to sure-fire recovery process and close ups- www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157677229423944SiC 30 after 12 hours on left, virgin on right: Coarse grit distribution on rocks(bad photo but you see the grit spread evenly) ETA: Typing at 4AM because I was sleeping yesterday to prepare for a wild party last night. My wife does not like that bunch and conveniently let me sleep thru the party.
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