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Post by jamesp on Jan 7, 2018 12:11:40 GMT -5
It's really kind of cool watching them turn. If it's not raining I'm going riding in the morning, if it is then I'll head to storage and see what I can find in there for you to smash up. Riding ?
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Post by MsAli on Jan 7, 2018 12:32:02 GMT -5
It's really kind of cool watching them turn. If it's not raining I'm going riding in the morning, if it is then I'll head to storage and see what I can find in there for you to smash up. Riding ? Horses. Haven't been out in awhile. Unfortunately I may have consumed to much fine brew last night and am getting a late start. Need to find motivation to go....
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Post by jamesp on Jan 7, 2018 13:33:40 GMT -5
Horses. Haven't been out in awhile. Unfortunately I may have consumed to much fine brew last night and am getting a late start. Need to find motivation to go.... Just hit me, had to be horses. Well, enough tattoos to be a motorcycle rider ...no, it was a horse. I went out on the town last night. Bought 51.3 pounds of glass at the 3 of 8 Home Store and a few other shops. Sat night busy in Atlanta, lots of people and cars. In southern terms, the 'tackiest' glass I could find. wow and what an assortment. Mostly Italian. Some China, Poland, Romania. Cost was about $150 for 51 pounds, not bad at $3/pound. Got your sunglasses on ?:
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Post by lookatthat on Jan 7, 2018 13:56:46 GMT -5
I kinda like that green gourd thing in the back...
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Post by grumpybill on Jan 7, 2018 14:17:07 GMT -5
Stores in Atlanta obviously think Atlantians have no taste in glassware...well...except for that one Atlantian who intends to smash things up.
When I bought a thick red glass ashtray at a thrift store, I told the clerk to not bother wrapping/padding it because I was going to smash it, anyway. The look on her face was priceless.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 7, 2018 16:18:56 GMT -5
A sampling of the rooster after 9 days in the new 8 inch rotary barrel. Ready to move to vibe.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 7, 2018 16:20:49 GMT -5
Stores in Atlanta obviously think Atlantians have no taste in glassware...well...except for that one Atlantian who intends to smash things up. When I bought a thick red glass ashtray at a thrift store, I told the clerk to not bother wrapping/padding it because I was going to smash it, anyway. The look on her face was priceless. I got questioned, "are you going to put all that in your house" lol. Told her I was going to tumble it. Perplexed cashier. Fun stuff Bill.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 7, 2018 16:22:24 GMT -5
I kinda like that green gourd thing in the back... the green gourd is a treasure and about 1/2 inch thick, my fav. It is also full of copper glitter. Amazing piece of glass for $12.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 7, 2018 17:02:16 GMT -5
Love how those are turning out
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 7, 2018 17:37:40 GMT -5
You aren't walking into these places with a hammer are you?
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 7, 2018 21:22:28 GMT -5
You break it you buy it...would be priceless to be walking up with an arm full and do the fake trip....broken glass all over. Maybe get it for 2 a pound
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Post by jamesp on Jan 8, 2018 5:15:39 GMT -5
HankRocks toiv0I must return with a hard photo of the purchases and a hand full of tumbles from each piece of glass and show to cashiers.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 8, 2018 5:29:46 GMT -5
Got the glass going on an easy 2 week schedule.
1 week days bulk SiC @ 63 RPM - shaping 3 days SiC 60 @ 30 RPM - bruise removal to high satin finish 3 days in vibe - polish
Almost no noise generated in rotary due the thick clay slurry and 80 to 85% barrel fill with 40% quartz pea gravel media. extra gentle tumble
New school of thought about coarse tumbling. Higher speeds, taller barrels, and higher fill rates in barrel working very well. Great protection for rocks with fast cutting rates. SiC lasts a long time in glass since glass is softer.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 8, 2018 5:56:16 GMT -5
Love how those are turning out After breaking about half of that glass up yesterday I see how cheaply they made it. They use about all clear glass and inject a thin layer of color in the middle of 2 layers. Probably a long shot from Murano 'techniques'. Glass used is totally uncontrollable with hammer. It does not behave like agate. Best thickness is 1/4" thick. Next step is to go to a high end glass shop and study true hand blown glass. And visit the glass school you mentioned. I may visit the school and contract them to make me a big plate of finely laminated colored glass that would resemble Fordite for cab makers(and us tumblers). From watching glass on youtube they could heat 12 different colored layers stacked about window glass thickness and simple stretch it till the bands are very thin and to lapidary slab thickness. Stunning cabs and tumbles from such. I will take some tumbles and show the glass masters at the school. Maybe I can hustle/coerce/persaude them to make laminate. The school is on my side of Atlanta and one of my favorite neighborhoods in the big city. I may just attend some classes. Or trade jewelry size pendant tumbled glass their for services. Betcha I get their interest stirred.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 8, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -5
Love how those are turning out After breaking about half of that glass up yesterday I see how cheaply they made it. They use about all clear glass and inject a thin layer of color in the middle of 2 layers. Probably a long shot from Murano 'techniques'. Glass used is totally uncontrollable with hammer. It does not behave like agate. Best thickness is 1/4" thick. Next step is to go to a high end glass shop and study true hand blown glass. And visit the glass school you mentioned. I may visit the school and contract them to make me a big plate of finely laminated colored glass that would resemble Fordite for cab makers(and us tumblers). From watching glass on youtube they could heat 12 different colored layers stacked about window glass thickness and simple stretch it till the bands are very thin and to lapidary slab thickness. Stunning cabs and tumbles from such. I will take some tumbles and show the glass masters at the school. Maybe I can hustle/coerce/persaude them to make laminate. The school is on my side of Atlanta and one of my favorite neighborhoods in the big city. I may just attend some classes. Or trade jewelry size pendant tumbled glass their for services. Betcha I get their interest stirred. Ah you've now got the glass bug. I am sure there are some antique stores there you could go check out vintage Murano, Fenton and Blenko pieces-there are more glass makers out there, but these are my favorites. Look up Lino Tagliapietra, William Morris, Rick Eggert and Dale Chihuly. Some of todays masters. Glass Of Venice is a good website to look at as well. The Millefiori pendants I think you should take a class, I think you would enjoy it and be really good at it. You like challenges.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 8, 2018 12:17:28 GMT -5
After breaking about half of that glass up yesterday I see how cheaply they made it. They use about all clear glass and inject a thin layer of color in the middle of 2 layers. Probably a long shot from Murano 'techniques'. Glass used is totally uncontrollable with hammer. It does not behave like agate. Best thickness is 1/4" thick. Next step is to go to a high end glass shop and study true hand blown glass. And visit the glass school you mentioned. I may visit the school and contract them to make me a big plate of finely laminated colored glass that would resemble Fordite for cab makers(and us tumblers). From watching glass on youtube they could heat 12 different colored layers stacked about window glass thickness and simple stretch it till the bands are very thin and to lapidary slab thickness. Stunning cabs and tumbles from such. I will take some tumbles and show the glass masters at the school. Maybe I can hustle/coerce/persaude them to make laminate. The school is on my side of Atlanta and one of my favorite neighborhoods in the big city. I may just attend some classes. Or trade jewelry size pendant tumbled glass their for services. Betcha I get their interest stirred. Ah you've now got the glass bug. I am sure there are some antique stores there you could go check out vintage Murano, Fenton and Blenko pieces-there are more glass makers out there, but these are my favorites. Look up Lino Tagliapietra, William Morris, Rick Eggert and Dale Chihuly. Some of todays masters. Glass Of Venice is a good website to look at as well. The Millefiori pendants I think you should take a class, I think you would enjoy it and be really good at it. You like challenges.
I will simply go to some real nice shops around the city. It won't take long to compare. May take all these names w/me as a reference, thanks for those. But my heart lies in the gutter where the cheap stuff is, the tumble grade stuff. i also have a box full of military optics, lenses, prisms, and filters. Also targets to be tumbled. Super high quality glass like borosilicate, but most is boring and clear except the color filters. The prisms are cool since they send out spectrums. May get captured by the glass artisans. They interest me.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 8, 2018 13:42:21 GMT -5
Ah you've now got the glass bug. I am sure there are some antique stores there you could go check out vintage Murano, Fenton and Blenko pieces-there are more glass makers out there, but these are my favorites. Look up Lino Tagliapietra, William Morris, Rick Eggert and Dale Chihuly. Some of todays masters. Glass Of Venice is a good website to look at as well. The Millefiori pendants I think you should take a class, I think you would enjoy it and be really good at it. You like challenges.
I will simply go to some real nice shops around the city. It won't take long to compare. May take all these names w/me as a reference, thanks for those. But my heart lies in the gutter where the cheap stuff is, the tumble grade stuff. i also have a box full of military optics, lenses, prisms, and filters. Also targets to be tumbled. Super high quality glass like borosilicate, but most is boring and clear except the color filters. The prisms are cool since they send out spectrums. May get captured by the glass artisans. They interest me. Well I know you've got the majority all watching to see what you come up with
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Post by oregon on Jan 8, 2018 14:31:16 GMT -5
I was just mentioning how much 'less' glass there was on the local art scene this year, might have been due to Bullseye's pollution problems in Portland but, also seems past it's fad status. - Check out how well Nature does at tumbling glass, Glass Beach, Originally the town dump, now a tourist destination... I imagine organics gone, metal corroded away, but lots of glass left www.google.com/search?q=glass+beach+california&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK0YzaiMnYAhVL64MKHeOuAaUQ_AUICygC&biw=1105&bih=691 But - buy your self a small kiln, I'm sure one of your bone yards would provide... Don't need huge, and a programmable temp controller you can build simply and not for not much. Different glasses (COE) can have issues together, but it's still fun swirling molten glass around, and cracks in the finished product in your case might be a good thing! I keep thinking of the tumbling barrel video you posted, how the rocks(bearings) along the outer wall didn't really move, the 'tumbling' down the face was where the big action was - so for glass or such might it also help to fill the barrel very full? Thanks for all the experimenting. After breaking about half of that glass up yesterday I see how cheaply they made it. They use about all clear glass and inject a thin layer of color in the middle of 2 layers. Probably a long shot from Murano 'techniques'. Glass used is totally uncontrollable with hammer. It does not behave like agate. Best thickness is 1/4" thick.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2018 1:07:32 GMT -5
I will simply go to some real nice shops around the city. It won't take long to compare. May take all these names w/me as a reference, thanks for those. But my heart lies in the gutter where the cheap stuff is, the tumble grade stuff. i also have a box full of military optics, lenses, prisms, and filters. Also targets to be tumbled. Super high quality glass like borosilicate, but most is boring and clear except the color filters. The prisms are cool since they send out spectrums. May get captured by the glass artisans. They interest me. Well I know you've got the majority all watching to see what you come up with
Visited Decatur Glass Blowing today. They let me take a chair and watch. was blown away at that craft. Talked to the owner. Gave him a bunch of glass/obsidian tumbles, he was impressed. He had a full glass polishing shop too. But no tumblers. He had recently picked up making millefiori glass. He was very proud of the them and you could see why - lots of work. Conclusion, buy cheap import and take a hammer to it. As long as it is annealed properly and has no cracks/few bubbles the cheap stuff will treat you well. He gave me some pricing on custom tumbling stock glass and it is costly. Fair enough, lots of work. He had a dozen 5 gallon buckets out back. It was sorta useless as it was not annealed and full of cracks. He has a hard time getting rid of it. I told him I may one day make a wood fired glass kiln for mass melting glass on the farm here. Probably have to burn a whole tree to melt a giant ingot lol. Guys were in t-shirts and short pants with the doors open and cold wind hurling in, that is a hot business. Gas bill must be incredible.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2018 1:17:22 GMT -5
I was just mentioning how much 'less' glass there was on the local art scene this year, might have been due to Bullseye's pollution problems in Portland but, also seems past it's fad status. - Check out how well Nature does at tumbling glass, Glass Beach, Originally the town dump, now a tourist destination... I imagine organics gone, metal corroded away, but lots of glass left www.google.com/search?q=glass+beach+california&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK0YzaiMnYAhVL64MKHeOuAaUQ_AUICygC&biw=1105&bih=691 But - buy your self a small kiln, I'm sure one of your bone yards would provide... Don't need huge, and a programmable temp controller you can build simply and not for not much. Different glasses (COE) can have issues together, but it's still fun swirling molten glass around, and cracks in the finished product in your case might be a good thing! I keep thinking of the tumbling barrel video you posted, how the rocks(bearings) along the outer wall didn't really move, the 'tumbling' down the face was where the big action was - so for glass or such might it also help to fill the barrel very full? Thanks for all the experimenting. After breaking about half of that glass up yesterday I see how cheaply they made it. They use about all clear glass and inject a thin layer of color in the middle of 2 layers. Probably a long shot from Murano 'techniques'. Glass used is totally uncontrollable with hammer. It does not behave like agate. Best thickness is 1/4" thick. Glass does not seem to be at a hiatus in Atlanta either oregon. The stores are chock full, not many buying it. Glass jewelry is a hot item though. visited a glass artist today and he said his jewelry was helping pay the bills. Gas is so darn expensive out east here. I am nervous about investing in a gas heated kiln. It is the most efficient way to go though. Import glass is cheap, the oversea folks do have cheaper energy costs. So they will continue to be my source for glass at this point. Fill the barrel. Yep, glass grinds fast so a high barrel fill with high barrel speed grinds glass totally fast. Tired of long rock grinds, glass a much faster less hassle tumble. And a whole bunch less waste.
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