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Post by jamesp on Jan 23, 2018 22:46:54 GMT -5
Some LL is made using Sommerso (probably Italian for submerged) technique.
In this Murano Glass product category, we selected vases made with the techniques called “Sommerso”. This technique has been invented and perfected in Murano. Sommerso literally mean “submergeted””. Murano Maestro actually dipped melted glass into another layer of the melted glass.There are a least two layers of the glass and the outside layer usually crystal clear glass. It is extremely difficult for maestro to protect integrity of the glass layer and to prevent layers of glass from mixing. Sometimes Sommerso is being used in combination with other Murano glass techniques. In our collection we present Murano Sommerso vases in combination with the frosted satin finish acid etched and diamond cut polished finishes.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 23, 2018 22:55:51 GMT -5
Are you a tumbler, or a glass collector, or both? Smash whatever the hell you want to smash, no approval necessary. If you paid next to nothing for it, then nothing (figuratively) lost. If the tumbles are amazing, then it's worth it. I like looking at the tumbles, personally. You aren't planning on reselling the "museum" quality finds anyway, are you? Use them for your new glass venture. They can't be that rare, if you are finding them in thrift stores and/or Hobby Lobby. You've tumbled some high dollar rocks too. I do feel guilty smashing up a fine piece of vintage or antique art work. I'll resell those pieces. Or trade them for cheaper glass. Maybe fund these darn glass expenditures. Plus I get to talk to all these ladies . Can't go wrong there. Yea, I felt the same thing at first, why are there so many in junky thrift shops. But keep finding them ?? I guess estate sales are not too particular about appraising stuff, just sell the heck out of it to get the house cleaned out. Lot of thrift store owners buy their stuff at estate sales. Kids selling off their deceased parents stuff, many have no idea of worth.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 23, 2018 23:01:45 GMT -5
Are you a tumbler, or a glass collector, or both? Smash whatever the hell you want to smash, no approval necessary. If you paid next to nothing for it, then nothing (figuratively) lost. If the tumbles are amazing, then it's worth it. I like looking at the tumbles, personally. You aren't planning on reselling the "museum" quality finds anyway, are you? Use them for your new glass venture. They can't be that rare, if you are finding them in thrift stores and/or Hobby Lobby. You've tumbled some high dollar rocks too. The hobby lobby-home department stuff is fair game. Thrift stores get donations, never know what you'll find. Including some rare pieces. I'm enjoying Jim's glass tumbles. Whether glass or rocks. He is pretty good at it. He doesn't need anyone's approval that is for sure. Jim's gonna do what Jim does. But you betcha I'm gonna give him shit for awhile about that Murano. 😊
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Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2018 7:37:36 GMT -5
Are you a tumbler, or a glass collector, or both? Smash whatever the hell you want to smash, no approval necessary. If you paid next to nothing for it, then nothing (figuratively) lost. If the tumbles are amazing, then it's worth it. I like looking at the tumbles, personally. You aren't planning on reselling the "museum" quality finds anyway, are you? Use them for your new glass venture. They can't be that rare, if you are finding them in thrift stores and/or Hobby Lobby. You've tumbled some high dollar rocks too. The hobby lobby-home department stuff is fair game. Thrift stores get donations, never know what you'll find. Including some rare pieces. I'm enjoying Jim's glass tumbles. Whether glass or rocks. He is pretty good at it. He doesn't need anyone's approval that is for sure. Jim's gonna do what Jim does. But you betcha I'm gonna give him shit for awhile about that Murano. 😊 On man, I could shoot myself for destroying that one. Learned a lesson. You could tell it was so well made. Been self punishing. So, I worked late yesterday so I can go to Bankhead China town market today. The wholesale import shops close at 5PM as they are not open to the public. Must have a business license to buy there. They are about all for resale only. Most don't speak English. So communication is stifled. The going price in the last shop I made it to a 5PM Friday ? had fine hand blowns for $8 to $13. The China mades seem heavier than the Euro mades. Got a question. This China importer carries what looks like European glass that has all got cracks in it. The pieces that look China made are in perfect shape. But the pieces that appear to be fine Euro made all had major cracks in them. and they want lots of money for these cracked pieces. So, say they are cracked museum grade Euro mades should I break them ? Here is an example, has to be the finest piece I have found so far in my inexperienced eyes. Cracks appear to be from poor annealing, this is a thick piece like the confetti. I am curious if they are buying pieces from Europe that failed due to annealing, glass blower says it happens often. Lots of the pieces in his junk pile cracked months after their born-on date. Says it happens all the time. Seen them myself. If say a fine Murano, smash or no smash ? 12 pounds ! a moose
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Post by MsAli on Jan 24, 2018 9:08:03 GMT -5
The hobby lobby-home department stuff is fair game. Thrift stores get donations, never know what you'll find. Including some rare pieces. I'm enjoying Jim's glass tumbles. Whether glass or rocks. He is pretty good at it. He doesn't need anyone's approval that is for sure. Jim's gonna do what Jim does. But you betcha I'm gonna give him shit for awhile about that Murano. 😊 On man, I could shoot myself for destroying that one. Learned a lesson. You could tell it was so well made. Been self punishing. So, I worked late yesterday so I can go to Bankhead China town market today. The wholesale import shops close at 5PM as they are not open to the public. Must have a business license to buy there. They are about all for resale only. Most don't speak English. So communication is stifled. The going price in the last shop I made it to a 5PM Friday ? had fine hand blowns for $8 to $13. The China mades seem heavier than the Euro mades. Got a question. This China importer carries what looks like European glass that has all got cracks in it. The pieces that look China made are in perfect shape. But the pieces that appear to be fine Euro made all had major cracks in them. and they want lots of money for these cracked pieces. So, say they are cracked museum grade Euro mades should I break them ? Here is an example, has to be the finest piece I have found so far in my inexperienced eyes. Cracks appear to be from poor annealing, this is a thick piece like the confetti. I am curious if they are buying pieces from Europe that failed due to annealing, glass blower says it happens often. Lots of the pieces in his junk pile cracked months after their born-on date. Says it happens all the time. Seen them myself. If say a fine Murano, smash or no smash ? 12 pounds ! a moose I really really doubt that they are carrying anything worth keeping. It's like going to the La district. Knock offs. Might look like the real thing, but no where close. The cracking probably occurred on the ride over. The good glass blowers would not of even let a cracked piece out the door. Think of it as an embarrassment to thier work. t's ok to smash it
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Post by MsAli on Jan 24, 2018 9:18:59 GMT -5
Some LL is made using Sommerso (probably Italian for submerged) technique. In this Murano Glass product category, we selected vases made with the techniques called “Sommerso”. This technique has been invented and perfected in Murano. Sommerso literally mean “submergeted””. Murano Maestro actually dipped melted glass into another layer of the melted glass.There are a least two layers of the glass and the outside layer usually crystal clear glass. It is extremely difficult for maestro to protect integrity of the glass layer and to prevent layers of glass from mixing. Sometimes Sommerso is being used in combination with other Murano glass techniques. In our collection we present Murano Sommerso vases in combination with the frosted satin finish acid etched and diamond cut polished finishes. www.glassofvenice.com/blog/2016/03/murano-glass-making-techniques-sommerso/
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jan 24, 2018 9:42:31 GMT -5
On man, I could shoot myself for destroying that one. Learned a lesson. You could tell it was so well made. Been self punishing. So, I worked late yesterday so I can go to Bankhead China town market today. The wholesale import shops close at 5PM as they are not open to the public. Must have a business license to buy there. They are about all for resale only. Most don't speak English. So communication is stifled. The going price in the last shop I made it to a 5PM Friday ? had fine hand blowns for $8 to $13. The China mades seem heavier than the Euro mades. Got a question. This China importer carries what looks like European glass that has all got cracks in it. The pieces that look China made are in perfect shape. But the pieces that appear to be fine Euro made all had major cracks in them. and they want lots of money for these cracked pieces. So, say they are cracked museum grade Euro mades should I break them ? Here is an example, has to be the finest piece I have found so far in my inexperienced eyes. Cracks appear to be from poor annealing, this is a thick piece like the confetti. I am curious if they are buying pieces from Europe that failed due to annealing, glass blower says it happens often. Lots of the pieces in his junk pile cracked months after their born-on date. Says it happens all the time. Seen them myself. If say a fine Murano, smash or no smash ? 12 pounds ! a moose I really really doubt that they are carrying anything worth keeping. It's like going to the La district. Knock offs. Might look like the real thing, but no where close. The cracking probably occurred on the ride over. The good glass blowers would not of even let a cracked piece out the door. Think of it as an embarrassment to thier work. t's ok to smash it I would think that art glass with cracks is just like an opal that cracks or crazes. Literally worthless.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2018 10:41:10 GMT -5
You think ? Gonna pay those folks a visit today and look closer at their stuff hummingbirdstones. They said they sold a lot of 50 pieces, all the same and all broken like the above. That peaked my interest. 1st, if they were all the same and that insinuates machine made. I am trying to figure out authenticity. From masters of import lol, that don't speak English well lol louder. They are giving me the inscrutable treatment and good at it. Lie lie lie, gotta watch them. But if they are buying in mass Euro broken art glass I want to find out more details because I am inclined to agree with you. If seriously cracked the piece is useless. And I may want to buy a load.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 24, 2018 11:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2018 11:11:36 GMT -5
This is information similar to my findings MsAli. would this be fair game for the smasher ?
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Post by MsAli on Jan 24, 2018 11:13:42 GMT -5
Absolutely ok to smash as much of that as you want.
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Post by fernwood on Jan 24, 2018 19:58:09 GMT -5
jamespAgree completely with MsAli. Once there is a major defect(s) in most pieces of glass, it is only worth a fraction of a perfect piece. Knock offs, major damaged pieces are almost worthless. If a piece is extremely rare, antique or vintage, then, and only then, can some minor defects have minimal effect on value. Thought on this type of valuation have changed over the years. When I was 13 years old, I purchased some very rare carnival glass coffee cups at auction, under the guidance of my uncle. The cups did have some tiny "embedded" hairline fractures, probably from hot coffee being put into them. The very small cracks did not lessen the utility use of these as coffee cups. At the time, in the 1970's this did not effect value that much. Paid $40.00, of my hard earned babysitting money at the time. These were sold in an auction I had in 2006. Because of the cracks, they sold for $15.00. Another example is of a rare carnival glass console bowl, I purchased in the 1990's at a garage sale. Paid $20.00, even though there were some molding flaws, which resulted in very small, indented lines. Also some molding embedded cracks, very tiny, say 1/4", about 5 total, for a piece that was 15" in width. Had the piece appraised by several, reputable people in person at the time. Paid $40.00 total for that. There was a consensus, at the time, that value was about $300.00. Not bad. Last year had the same piece appraised, twice and in person. Both said the value was about $20.00. Cost me $20.00 for the appraisals. So, based on current values and inflation, I have a total loss on the piece of over $200.00, if not more. In most cases, today's collectors are very much wanting pristine glass. If the piece is very rare, then some flaws are acceptable. Face it, with the way things are now, financially for many, someone who is looking for valuable glass, has the money to spend on what they want. It is a buyers market, and many good deals are out there. All I ask, is that, please, please, please..... Do not smash any more very valuable pieces before knowing what you have, no matter what you paid for it. If what you purchase or find is on the "approved" list by MsAli and me, go for it. Also finds you know are current art glass manufacturers scrap, cheap imports, vintage dump finds of broken glass, etc. Hey, you want broken glass, we might even be able to work out some trades, after things thaw out in Wisconsin. My dump is full of great things. I also have access to some reject scrap pieces from local artists here. Lots of artists around here, who specialize in glass. Some hand blown. Some molded Also access to many vintage dumps, which happen to be next to prime rock collecting areas near me. Once a piece of history is gone, it is gone forever.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jan 24, 2018 20:01:22 GMT -5
I would seriously only worry about unique, older (if you can tell -- or ask Ali first) glass and pieces that have been signed or numbered. You obviously don't want to go breaking Tiffany or Lalique originals even if they have a crack in them. Those pieces would still be worth something; just not as much.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2018 6:03:33 GMT -5
jamespAgree completely with MsAli. Once there is a major defect(s) in most pieces of glass, it is only worth a fraction of a perfect piece. Knock offs, major damaged pieces are almost worthless. If a piece is extremely rare, antique or vintage, then, and only then, can some minor defects have minimal effect on value. Thought on this type of valuation have changed over the years. When I was 13 years old, I purchased some very rare carnival glass coffee cups at auction, under the guidance of my uncle. The cups did have some tiny "embedded" hairline fractures, probably from hot coffee being put into them. The very small cracks did not lessen the utility use of these as coffee cups. At the time, in the 1970's this did not effect value that much. Paid $40.00, of my hard earned babysitting money at the time. These were sold in an auction I had in 2006. Because of the cracks, they sold for $15.00. Another example is of a rare carnival glass console bowl, I purchased in the 1990's at a garage sale. Paid $20.00, even though there were some molding flaws, which resulted in very small, indented lines. Also some molding embedded cracks, very tiny, say 1/4", about 5 total, for a piece that was 15" in width. Had the piece appraised by several, reputable people in person at the time. Paid $40.00 total for that. There was a consensus, at the time, that value was about $300.00. Not bad. Last year had the same piece appraised, twice and in person. Both said the value was about $20.00. Cost me $20.00 for the appraisals. So, based on current values and inflation, I have a total loss on the piece of over $200.00, if not more. In most cases, today's collectors are very much wanting pristine glass. If the piece is very rare, then some flaws are acceptable. Face it, with the way things are now, financially for many, someone who is looking for valuable glass, has the money to spend on what they want. It is a buyers market, and many good deals are out there. All I ask, is that, please, please, please..... Do not smash any more very valuable pieces before knowing what you have, no matter what you paid for it. If what you purchase or find is on the "approved" list by MsAli and me, go for it. Also finds you know are current art glass manufacturers scrap, cheap imports, vintage dump finds of broken glass, etc. Hey, you want broken glass, we might even be able to work out some trades, after things thaw out in Wisconsin. My dump is full of great things. I also have access to some reject scrap pieces from local artists here. Lots of artists around here, who specialize in glass. Some hand blown. Some molded Also access to many vintage dumps, which happen to be next to prime rock collecting areas near me. Once a piece of history is gone, it is gone forever. fernwood it apparently glass is not high on the list of collectables in this area. Yesterday time spent in the city at thrift and Goodwill there were many pickers buying for resale. They were walking by the blown glass. One look at Etsy and you will find some seemingly low prices on nice European glass. Glass sellers don't seem to be having high sales rates. The finer pieces are commanding high prices. a visit to adacatlanta.com ADAC in Atlanta will educate one on the interests of the rich and famous in this city. I will make a swing by there and see high end the high end glass market is doing. No telling what the 'richeys' tastes are these days. If minor defects are dropping the prices it hints at a lack of demand ? This city swings like a pendulum, art deco - vintage - industrial - antique. when the vintage scene arrived everyone was throwing rocks at antique pieces. when the industrial style was (still is) hot because of the loft craze I sold repurposed factory carts and tables faster than pieces could be found to repurpose. Anyway, I passed by a bunch of blown glass in the thrift shops yesterday. I don't know their age or value. However the big shops that sell used glass has have been picked over by the collectors. That works well because most of it is new or worthless. On machine made. Speaking of modern machine made, it is highest on list for tumbles. Found this yesterday new in a discount store. Only the newer high tech glass machines can do this type of micro-layering. This is what I am looking for for small tumbled glass jewelry. This layering even approaches Fordite in fine layering. Ha, the glass blowers probably despise this mass produced trash. Just saying, machines can produce the tighter features for small pieces tumbled. I bought a small kiln so I can do small feature melts too. Not interested in color and pattern features on a 12 inch tall piece, but on a 1.5 inch piece. at the break. those fine layers will result in a barrage of crazy patterned tumbles which is biggest target. back of large plate, cool patterns front cool patterns
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2018 7:05:52 GMT -5
The piece above was the only glass purchased yesterday. This set of photos is a China import warehouse. One must present a business license to enter this place. The owners a sweet Chinese older couple Raymond and Stella. Perplexed at my smash intentions(face distortions LMAO). At first defied their logic till yesterday when I bought tumbled samples in. MsAli and fernwood may love their label glass makers, this couple buys from one of the 'Murano's of China' and take great pride in their Chinese glass blowers. And they should, the craftsmanship is exceptional. about all big heavy pieces wholesaled at $50. Typical overly thick China blowns. Stella put me to work climbing shelves and handing boxes down to her. we sat around and unboxed dusty new arrivals. She reminds me of my Mom . Had a blast aggravating her. She would NOT let me take her picture. I kept pretending to, I think she was cussing me in Chinese. Life too short, gotta have fun. Like any art, glass is an expression of the artist. Interesting to see what the Chinese glass blower came up with. A few of their hottest sellers: This is the label of the maker. Found SDS Seapoot pieces on eBay, they do command a nice price. $50 is a bargain. I may not know much about glass but I do have eyes and the above 3 and a few others there is some of the prettiest glass I have ever seen. Then I was at a thrift shop and took photos of pontil glass, none purchased. $13 to $40
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2018 7:29:11 GMT -5
Today a trip to Adac to see what the rich folks are buying in glass. No cameras allowed... Then over to the 4th Ward district to dumpster dive in the glass dump pile at Nanke Glass Studio.
His young workers call me the 'glass rock' man. They were perplexed by the rooster tumbles I gave them. Upon receiving they were trying to figure out how I melted them so perfectly with out pontil lol. Should have let them quandary longer and not told them they were tumbled.
Must invite them down to see the tumblers in action. They have a 24 inch lap, diamond blade band saw, 8 foot diamond belt sander, 24 inch glass circular saw. Other big tools. With glass they only lubricate with water since glass is way softer than agate. Fine lapidarians
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2018 8:39:00 GMT -5
China made. Depth, color layering and overlap. 3 inches long. Heavy gauge.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 25, 2018 9:03:35 GMT -5
You were a busy man yesterday. Interesting that label was on that piece. I always thought SDS was out of San Francisco. They must import thier stuff as well. I'm confused by the Murno tag on the one? And the prices are ridiculous for a thrift store.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 25, 2018 9:04:49 GMT -5
I love that black and white one. It is gonna make some crazy tumble
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2018 9:18:06 GMT -5
I would seriously only worry about unique, older (if you can tell -- or ask Ali first) glass and pieces that have been signed or numbered. You obviously don't want to go breaking Tiffany or Lalique originals even if they have a crack in them. Those pieces would still be worth something; just not as much. Any older pieces command respect. Preserving the past is even more important that a newly made fine art masterpiece in a sort. But both categories, age and artistic creation command respect. Melting my own creations will be totally fair game hummingbirdstones ! Along w/my own personal touch. Hopefully they won't look like polished dog turds. Yet to be seen...
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