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Post by zekesman on Feb 28, 2018 13:18:04 GMT -5
Diamond Pacific makes a gizmo that puts your cab at a 12.5 degree angle. I suspect YOU could make a similar gizmo/ramp at any angle. Yes I shimmed their gizmo as I didn't like that steep of an angle. LOL I like about 5 degrees. Vic
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Feb 28, 2018 13:30:53 GMT -5
I have been thinking about your glass cabs as I have watched your progress. I have tried to figure out how they will be used. I do not like to groove wrap anything that will show the wire so that may not work. I have fully wire wrapped a completely clear optical quartz cab but even that is tricky because all the wires on the back can be seen through the cab from the front. Silversmithing may be the answer but that is a much more labor intensive and costly method of setting. Generally speaking I would not make a silversmith setting for a $5 cab. I think your stuff is cool looking so I hope some others come up with a way to use them. As far as smithing goes the bezel wire used on the edge of the stone is available in a few different heights and spacers can be used to adjust thickness behind the cab. My only concern when it comes to girdle height is that it needs to be very consistent all the way around. What are your thoughts James? When you look at your cabs what setting are you thinking of? Chuck As mentioned to Tela I am generating several different products. A lot of fully tumbled flat easy to wrap material. With this particular product I am curious about girdle height and standard cab dimensions in the event someone wants to smith a bezel. I agree, silversmith efforts are a huge labor. But have had requests surprisingly and am trying to send out roughed out samples. The constant height of the girdle is not far away, looking at methods. This grind is where the rubber hits the road, more skill demand than shaping silhouette. This concerned me so that one could use a constant width bezel strip. As far as groove wraps. The more opaque colored cabs with color layer above the groove may work. This glass about all has a thin color layer. Composition is 95% clear and 5% color. Some close to the back(not good), some close to the front( do able). Some of this glass is off the chart. The pieces with the color layer to the bottom look deep. And the glass blower put some real fancy detail into it. The dome and layer of clear glass above serves as an optical magnifier and gives a fine effect. Me, I'm into it. At some point I seen that you were melting into blocks and then slabbing. Any chance of making those slabs available? That way they can be cabbed in the traditional methods VS tumbled. This would allow a cabber to choose the best spot for a cab and give full control over girdle and dome. Just thinking out loud. I have a love hate relationship with freeform shapes. I love when other people do them and hate when I do them, lol Chuck
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Post by fantastic5 on Feb 28, 2018 16:13:59 GMT -5
Diamond Pacific makes a gizmo that puts your cab at a 12.5 degree angle. I suspect YOU could make a similar gizmo/ramp at any angle. I picked up my Genie second hand, but the fella had most everything that should have come with it. What is this gizmo that you speak of? Is it the angled plastic pieces that fit into the water tray? If yes, how do you use it? I tried to google it, but didn't get anything useful.
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Post by Pat on Feb 28, 2018 16:17:01 GMT -5
Yes, it is the angled piece that sits in the water tray. I have a photo of it here somewhere. Will post.
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Post by Pat on Feb 28, 2018 16:20:25 GMT -5
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rockpickerforever
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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 28, 2018 16:47:25 GMT -5
Diamond Pacific makes a gizmo that puts your cab at a 12.5 degree angle. I suspect YOU could make a similar gizmo/ramp at any angle. I picked up my Genie second hand, but the fella had most everything that should have come with it. What is this gizmo that you speak of? Is it the angled plastic pieces that fit into the water tray? If yes, how do you use it? I tried to google it, but didn't get anything useful.
It is called a Cab Rest. From the 2017 Diamond Pacific catalog: "The Pixie comes with a Cab Rest, which makes it easy to grind a bevel on the edge of your stone." A different sized one is available for the Genie.
Both available from Kingsley North: Cab Rest
There it is, but could not find instructions. Must be pretty simple, no? Seems like it should work. Jean
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Post by Pat on Feb 28, 2018 16:50:56 GMT -5
Yes, that is it. Yes, easy instructions. Put your left thumb in the cutout in the front (right side). Put your left index finger on top pointing toward the wheel. Put your cab under that index finger. I have a photo of it on here someplace. Mel needed help with it. Haven't found it yet.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 4:04:29 GMT -5
As mentioned to Tela I am generating several different products. A lot of fully tumbled flat easy to wrap material. With this particular product I am curious about girdle height and standard cab dimensions in the event someone wants to smith a bezel. I agree, silversmith efforts are a huge labor. But have had requests surprisingly and am trying to send out roughed out samples. The constant height of the girdle is not far away, looking at methods. This grind is where the rubber hits the road, more skill demand than shaping silhouette. This concerned me so that one could use a constant width bezel strip. As far as groove wraps. The more opaque colored cabs with color layer above the groove may work. This glass about all has a thin color layer. Composition is 95% clear and 5% color. Some close to the back(not good), some close to the front( do able). Some of this glass is off the chart. The pieces with the color layer to the bottom look deep. And the glass blower put some real fancy detail into it. The dome and layer of clear glass above serves as an optical magnifier and gives a fine effect. Me, I'm into it. At some point I seen that you were melting into blocks and then slabbing. Any chance of making those slabs available? That way they can be cabbed in the traditional methods VS tumbled. This would allow a cabber to choose the best spot for a cab and give full control over girdle and dome. Just thinking out loud. I have a love hate relationship with freeform shapes. I love when other people do them and hate when I do them, lol Chuck The only blocks cast so far have been from casting chunks of glass with mixed colors and patterns. I am preparing for doing pot melts which will increase variation to a great extent. PM address and I would like to send you some slabs for you to compose from, no problem. They are about 1.3"X6"X3/16"+. Some of the blocks I sawed into preforms and tumbled smoothed them in mass. They look like this, and this is similar material to the slabs I will send:
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 4:12:25 GMT -5
Pat, rockpickerforever fantastic5 Drummond Island RocksIs there a cab machine that has only one wheel ? I believe it is designed to quickly change out the wheels. I just need a 320 or 600 cab wheel with water management. Perhaps an 80 wheel for some operations. 6 or 8 inch wheels should do fine. Can I put diamond cab wheels on this Covington machine ? It is on Craig's list for $500 close by home. 1 inch shaft. 6 inch saw, 2.5 inch expando w/bunch of belts. Is this a good deal ? Two inner wheels are silicon carbide. I would like to replace w/diamond, is that possible ? I can call Covington about the diamond wheels... Only need 80-320-600 grits. Will that 6 inch saw cut 2 inch rock in half ? Please keep me dry. Model 494
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 1, 2018 7:18:23 GMT -5
Pat, rockpickerforever fantastic5 Drummond Island RocksIs there a cab machine that has only one wheel ? I believe it is designed to quickly change out the wheels. I just need a 320 or 600 cab wheel with water management. Perhaps an 80 wheel for some operations. 6 or 8 inch wheels should do fine. Can I put diamond cab wheels on this Covington machine ? It is on Craig's list for $500 close by home. 1 inch shaft. 6 inch saw, 2.5 inch expando w/bunch of belts. Is this a good deal ? Two inner wheels are silicon carbide. I would like to replace w/diamond, is that possible ? I can call Covington about the diamond wheels... Only need 80-320-600 grits. Will that 6 inch saw cut 2 inch rock in half ? Please keep me dry. Model 494 I cant help with that exact model but I have a similar unit made by lortone that is a staple in my tumbling operation. I have mine set up with a 6" trim saw, 80 grit diamond wheel and 120 grit diamond wheel. That is everything needed to prep tumbles. I can use it to lob off a bad section and then round over the edges to to toss in the tumbler or I can use it to trim a slab for a cab and then shape it and toss it in the tumbler. I just checked and 2" is my absolute max cutting depth. Chuck
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 1, 2018 8:21:32 GMT -5
I just got a similar machine, I don't know if they make 5 1/2 in blade but it's what mine measured. It is 1 1/2 in above table. Not as clean as the one you're looking at.I paid 150. This one has a cast base and is fairly heavy. I have some diamond wheels someplace for it. The silicon carbide might be good enough for glass.
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 1, 2018 8:22:13 GMT -5
Forgot the pic
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 8:36:34 GMT -5
Dang Billy toiv0 you stole it. I was hoping I could put diamond wheels on it if needed to. SiC wheels will sure cut glass but will they stay round. May ask the glass artist, he may prefer SiC wheels. Glass got mailed yesterday. or did you prefer motor freight ?
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 8:42:25 GMT -5
Pat, rockpickerforever fantastic5 Drummond Island RocksIs there a cab machine that has only one wheel ? I believe it is designed to quickly change out the wheels. I just need a 320 or 600 cab wheel with water management. Perhaps an 80 wheel for some operations. 6 or 8 inch wheels should do fine. Can I put diamond cab wheels on this Covington machine ? It is on Craig's list for $500 close by home. 1 inch shaft. 6 inch saw, 2.5 inch expando w/bunch of belts. Is this a good deal ? Two inner wheels are silicon carbide. I would like to replace w/diamond, is that possible ? I can call Covington about the diamond wheels... Only need 80-320-600 grits. Will that 6 inch saw cut 2 inch rock in half ? Please keep me dry. Model 494 I cant help with that exact model but I have a similar unit made by lortone that is a staple in my tumbling operation. I have mine set up with a 6" trim saw, 80 grit diamond wheel and 120 grit diamond wheel. That is everything needed to prep tumbles. I can use it to lob off a bad section and then round over the edges to to toss in the tumbler or I can use it to trim a slab for a cab and then shape it and toss it in the tumbler. I just checked and 2" is my absolute max cutting depth. Chuck That is about what it is needed for Chuck other than one of the wheels needs to be fine like 320 or 600 when needed. The 2 inches looks to be depth of cut, they got that 6 inch blade standing proud. And turning slower than 3600 RPM I presume. So this is the salt mine you work at to prepare those fine tumbles. Quite luxurious I must say.
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 1, 2018 9:15:57 GMT -5
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 1, 2018 10:03:44 GMT -5
Pat, rockpickerforever fantastic5 Drummond Island RocksIs there a cab machine that has only one wheel ? I believe it is designed to quickly change out the wheels. I just need a 320 or 600 cab wheel with water management. Perhaps an 80 wheel for some operations. 6 or 8 inch wheels should do fine. Can I put diamond cab wheels on this Covington machine ? It is on Craig's list for $500 close by home. 1 inch shaft. 6 inch saw, 2.5 inch expando w/bunch of belts. Is this a good deal ? Two inner wheels are silicon carbide. I would like to replace w/diamond, is that possible ? I can call Covington about the diamond wheels... Only need 80-320-600 grits. Will that 6 inch saw cut 2 inch rock in half ? Please keep me dry. Model 494 I cant help with that exact model but I have a similar unit made by lortone that is a staple in my tumbling operation. I have mine set up with a 6" trim saw, 80 grit diamond wheel and 120 grit diamond wheel. That is everything needed to prep tumbles. I can use it to lob off a bad section and then round over the edges to to toss in the tumbler or I can use it to trim a slab for a cab and then shape it and toss it in the tumbler. I just checked and 2" is my absolute max cutting depth. Chuck Yep this is the rock dungeon. Not much space so it has to be kept pretty clean or gets out of hand quick. There are two of the glass grinders rockjunquie mentioned in the first photo and one more in storage. I should add that all of my tumbler clean outs are done down there year round. Lots of buckets of water get carried up the stairs. Chuck
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 1, 2018 10:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 1, 2018 10:27:12 GMT -5
I also got this on the deal. Here is my rock room. There is no room in garage. 200 buckets of rocks, and is unseasonably warm....34 degrees today, the low was 7. Still too cold to play out there for very long. Some nice equipment to play with. You use the rolling mill much? I am envious of the 200 buckets of rocks. I keep one five gallon bucket of rocks that need tumbled and only order more when it gets low. Other then that the only rough I have on hand is about 4-5 milk crates with pudding stones. Chuck
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 1, 2018 10:51:03 GMT -5
I also got this on the deal. Here is my rock room. There is no room in garage. 200 buckets of rocks, and is unseasonably warm....34 degrees today, the low was 7. Still too cold to play out there for very long. Some nice equipment to play with. You use the rolling mill much? I am envious of the 200 buckets of rocks. I keep one five gallon bucket of rocks that need tumbled and only order more when it gets low. Other then that the only rough I have on hand is about 4-5 milk crates with pudding stones. Chuck I use the rolling mill primarily to texture ring bands. It is a cheapo and you get what you pay for. If I milled alot of wire or sheet I would need something of better quality.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 1, 2018 12:06:42 GMT -5
Some nice equipment to play with. You use the rolling mill much? I am envious of the 200 buckets of rocks. I keep one five gallon bucket of rocks that need tumbled and only order more when it gets low. Other then that the only rough I have on hand is about 4-5 milk crates with pudding stones. Chuck I use the rolling mill primarily to texture ring bands. It is a cheapo and you get what you pay for. If I milled alot of wire or sheet I would need something of better quality. Yeah I see them in the RIO catalog and figure someone would need to use one a whole lot to pay for it. Nice toy to have. Chuck
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