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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 12:24:13 GMT -5
I looked at that arrangement Tela. It is better for stained glass work. The 6 or 8 inch type wheels is where I am tuned in to. Like saws blades, diamond wheels etc. Thanks for that link. Not much difference working a glass cab than a rock cab. a 3 wheel cab machine should do all I need plus some. Thanks
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 12:37:15 GMT -5
Ha, Drummond Island Rocks that room is the Ritz compared to mine. mine actually has a full height 2 foot thick hand-laid-by-me rock walled basement and much smaller. I do have water, drain, 200 amp panel right next to me. Unfinished ceiling to run power to kilns and equipment. Nasty concrete floor I can and do trash. The glass is obnoxiously dirty as you are fritting, snipping and grinding it constantly. The kilns don't make smells. A 15 foot wall for a work bench about all I have, then a big shelf adjacent. I put most everything on wheels so I can roll it to where it needs be. It will be an odd shop when I get done w/it as there will be lapidary equipment mixed with kiln and glass processing stuff. Odd to make your own rocks and cabs out of glass. Not ready for photographs, still laying out the flow and organizing(not to the extent(ever) that you are) lol. Big screen TV and stereo NOT. I see the map of Drummond Island on the wall, that is amazing. I hope you guys kept fresh genes in the pool, us southerners have some tight families. Hate to hear you don't have water. Probably down under and can't get a drain guessing.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 1, 2018 13:32:07 GMT -5
Yep this is the rock dungeon. Not much space so it has to be kept pretty clean or gets out of hand quick. There are two of the glass grinders rockjunquie mentioned in the first photo and one more in storage. I should add that all of my tumbler clean outs are done down there year round. Lots of buckets of water get carried up the stairs. Chuck Man, Chuck, that is just sinfully neat! If my rock areas were that tidy and clean, I think I would break out in hives, lol.
My patio looks like a hurricane went through, total and complete disorganization and chaos.
No basements in SoCal. If they did exist, they would be called "wine cellars."
Not a wine drinker....
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 18:57:04 GMT -5
Yep this is the rock dungeon. Not much space so it has to be kept pretty clean or gets out of hand quick. There are two of the glass grinders rockjunquie mentioned in the first photo and one more in storage. I should add that all of my tumbler clean outs are done down there year round. Lots of buckets of water get carried up the stairs. Chuck Man, Chuck, that is just sinfully neat! If my rock areas were that tidy and clean, I think I would break out in hives, lol.
My patio looks like a hurricane went through, total and complete disorganization and chaos.
No basements in SoCal. If they did exist, they would be called "wine cellars."
Not a wine drinker....
You do have treasures in those areas though. Why do y'all not have basements Jean ?
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 18:59:17 GMT -5
I remember your 6000+ pliers collection toiv0. must be back in the far corner.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
Got these shards prepped with easy melt clear glass glued on. To be fired tomorrow at 1500F. The Elmer's Glue simply disappears. Before glueing
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 19:10:14 GMT -5
Learned how to make frit today, crushed colored glass for seasoning the melts with added color. welded up a ram rod crusher per glass artist's design.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 1, 2018 21:09:32 GMT -5
Learned how to make frit today, crushed colored glass for seasoning the melts with added color. welded up a ram rod crusher per glass artist's design. That is cool. Is that a piston welded to the end? Looked like ring grooves. Is there any control to keep it from pulverizing it to dust? Chuck
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Post by jamesp on Mar 1, 2018 22:21:51 GMT -5
Learned how to make frit today, crushed colored glass for seasoning the melts with added color. welded up a ram rod crusher per glass artist's design. That is cool. Is that a piston welded to the end? Looked like ring grooves. Is there any control to keep it from pulverizing it to dust? Chuck iThat socket looks like a piston, it is an old socket for a large nut, heavy and hard metal. You want various sizes. $50 grader
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 2, 2018 0:54:36 GMT -5
Man, Chuck, that is just sinfully neat! If my rock areas were that tidy and clean, I think I would break out in hives, lol. My patio looks like a hurricane went through, total and complete disorganization and chaos.
No basements in SoCal. If they did exist, they would be called "wine cellars."
Not a wine drinker....
You do have treasures in those areas though. Why do y'all not have basements Jean ? Well Jim, we just don't have a need for them here. No tornados that one would need to take shelter from, and during an earthquake, one would not want to move down into a basement for safety. Years ago, my dad used to mess with phone solicitors for builders trying to drum up work doing home additions. He'd tell them he would like an estimate for a basement! He couldn't get anyone to talk too him about it. Probably cost prohibitive (and not so smart) to have one excavated under a home already built. Better to start from the bottom up. Besides, basements are where monsters reside!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 5:14:31 GMT -5
Lol. rockpickerforever the basement is warm in winter and cool in summer. Saves heating/cooling bills. Best place to put water heaters wiring, plumbing, storing certain things. Makes house easier to maintain and add plumbing/wiring with the equipment room down under. Water leaks cause less damage. A newer generation started building homes on slabs. Basement is a hot selling point. Basements rare in Florida too. More houses with basements than without here in low hill clay country. Clay does not cave in like sandy soils, maybe it is our clay. Doubt tornadoes is the issue, I have never been sent to the basement by a tornado(uh, one time). Now if San Diego is flat then basements can be an issue. My cabin has one corner in the basement that water can be drained outside.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 11:21:01 GMT -5
You sent me a brain storm Tela. This machine you posted a link to basically is for cutting silhouettes. An edge cutter similar to a joiner/router principle. If you put a diamond bit that was contoured with a fixed apron height and slope angle back to the dome pinnacle you wight be able to grind the apron height and slope in one pass. Same concept as the edge treatment method that Drummond Island Rocks uses for his groove wraps. Similar to the bull nose and edge trim bits used on kitchen countertops but on a much smaller scale:
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 13:57:52 GMT -5
Dialing in domes at melt. Photo shows 2 generations of melts. 2nd generation domes are much better. 1st generation flatter, less focus on silhouette. Just out of SiC 20 in the tumbler. Tile saw trim marks from making silhouette gone. Shoulder and girdles getting consistent/piece. Getting a feel for removal rate of tumbler, it can do a tremendous amount of work in shaping. Variable domes determined by thickness. All wetted Contents of 15 pound barrel. Left is 6 pounds near cabs, middle is glue on bail stuff, and right is re-tumble and media.
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 2, 2018 14:03:54 GMT -5
That first picture is really great for showing off the polished dome. Very nice work!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 15:21:08 GMT -5
That first picture is really great for showing off the polished dome. Very nice work! That was accidentally discovered Tela when I dropped something and had seen the reflection standing back up. Thanks, I am slowly learning each melt. And even more tricky is the effect of the tumbler and the amount of time leaving them running in tumbler. I can destroy the entire load by chipping them if everything is not set up just right in the tumbler. Funny thing is the chipping from the tiles saw blade assists in girdle removal and is a benefit instead of a negative. All glass is about consistent. UNLIKE rocks . Making for predictability in mass.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Mar 2, 2018 15:34:41 GMT -5
You sure have come a long way. It was not long ago that you were cursing at obsidian. That first group shot is awesome.
Chuck
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Post by jamesp on Mar 3, 2018 5:49:29 GMT -5
You sure have come a long way. It was not long ago that you were cursing at obsidian. That first group shot is awesome. Chuck When I got serious about tumbling back in 2011 my intention was glass. Never could polish it so I canned it and went to rocks. Had a ton of resources for glass, knew about them, talked to many in the glass industry around Atlanta but never acted. So I had done a lot of background work about sourcing glass since 2011. Some really good sources. Gotta get some concrete cement and glue the darn Lot-O blocks together and see if i can get that Lot-O to help with polishing bottle neck. Polishing glass is so slow, and you have to have so much media/small hoppers etc. I have been talking to Tom at the Lot-O company and he is giving me some tips. But I think you know more about obsidian and glass than he does. I am running 4 to 5 to 6 barrels with all glass and am trying to get as close to polish in the rotaries as possible. 4 different speeds. Because I have a stock pile of unpolished glass I can experiment with the rotaries constantly. It pretty much boils down to lots of abrasive steps as in conventional tumbling. Not my favorite style of tumbling but necessary. The tumblers are working me daily. Not a passive tumbling operation. Me sort of retired so it's OK.
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Post by huskeric on Mar 6, 2018 11:11:03 GMT -5
jamesp , I don't mean to tell you your business, by any means, but having done some stained glass work, I think you would really benefit from a glass grinder. I got one off eBay for about $50, and it is handy as hell. I use it for rocks, bowlerite and fordite, and LOVE it. Even if this is a passing fancy for you, I don't think you would regret the purchase, especially for any inside radius curves. I like to use it instead of my slab saw because it uses water vs. oil, so I don't have such a mess, and with glass blobs, they would be so ridiculously hard to hold onto. Maybe you've already discussed this topic, so if you have, I apologize. (edit) I see it was mentioned above. I highly recommend this for what you're doing.
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